Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)
- Thread starter Yzarc
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We are playing a Defiler, we are if nothing else, really good at building really big guns.
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- Arcadia
As was proven by the Horus Heresy and everything leading up to it, Primarchs can break that preprogrammed intimacy towards the Emperor. It is not easy or swift, but it can be done. Even before then, Primarchs can prioritize other intimacies over the one towards the Emperor. In Angron's case, well, perhaps the Butcher's Nails did play a considerable role in it, but he did choose to die with his fellow gladiators rather than join the Emperor. That the Emperor did not allow Angron to follow through with the decision is another matter.
The point being that it might be prudent to start wearing away at Lorgar's intimacy regarding the Emperor as soon as is feasible. Leaving it as it is might be the equivalent of leaving a dagger poised at the back or perhaps an active bomb collar strapped to the neck.
The point being that it might be prudent to start wearing away at Lorgar's intimacy regarding the Emperor as soon as is feasible. Leaving it as it is might be the equivalent of leaving a dagger poised at the back or perhaps an active bomb collar strapped to the neck.
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And that runs into the same problem: Why would Fan want to do that? Lorgar has already seen that the Emperor is not perfect, so it's not as if his intimacy towards him would make him blind to his faults.
I'm pretty sure none of the primarchs really have a hard programmed intimacy towards the emperor the more psychically active or receptive ones seem to but they also seem to either think him a God or the ultimate psychic which might be what their actual intimacy is towards (Lorgar & Magnus). A lot of them seem to either directly or indirectly just agree with him (Sanguinius, Dorn, Fulgrim, Manus, Perturabo) or believe that a partnership with the Empire is the right call (Corax & Guilliman) or want to conquer more things (Khan & Russ) or hate him but think this is the way to further my goals (Mortarian & Curze) or I hope a battle will come and kill me if I keep fighting for this guy (Angron & Curze) or just literally was his son found as still a child unlike the rest of the primarks which were grown men (Horus). Then there's Alpharius/Omegan which is to say my name is Alpharius and this is a lie.
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- Location
- India
@Yzarc does external imposition of a title or mantle have any impact on mythos or archetype? For example Emperor was worshipped by in various form and titles by Imperials. Does it impacted his core mythos or archtype? Same way Lorgar is being praised by Population(Sage, Philosopher, God and Priest etc) and they have no unified view regarding him overall. Will it impact his mythos?
At the end of the day I sincerely believe we should not go into this with an adversarial mindset. The fact of the matter is we agree with the Emperor on a bunch of fundamental things:
We should not go out of our way to move counter to him until we have some idea if we have to. I made that mistake earlier when I thought we were dealing with a version of him that was less reasonable than the interludes showed. By all means we should have a plan to kill him if we have to (with a Spirit Killer for good messure), but do not get blinders on in that regard. The Emperor is undoubtedly evil, but that does not mean he cannot be reasoned with.
- Humanity should survive/Everyone we know and care about is a humans
- Chaos is evil and should be eliminated/Chaos is evil and should be eliminated
- The Warp is scary and should not be channeled without some kind of protection/Fan is a shaman who discovered how to Enlighten Essence
We should not go out of our way to move counter to him until we have some idea if we have to. I made that mistake earlier when I thought we were dealing with a version of him that was less reasonable than the interludes showed. By all means we should have a plan to kill him if we have to (with a Spirit Killer for good messure), but do not get blinders on in that regard. The Emperor is undoubtedly evil, but that does not mean he cannot be reasoned with.
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- Arcadia
A lesser evil open to reasoning but very much evil in his own right nonetheless.
Unfortunately, there is no other choice but to, ugh, work with him.
Warhammer is what it is. There is no truly good side. One can only choose their poison from the lesser evils.
Unfortunately, there is no other choice but to, ugh, work with him.
Warhammer is what it is. There is no truly good side. One can only choose their poison from the lesser evils.
There definitely are good guys, they are just weaker than the Emperor, we can work with them too. The exodites for instance just want to be left the hell alone, they do not bother other people who do not come to their planets, they do not have designs on the galaxy, they merely want to live in pace. The same argument could be made for a bunch of minor alien empires and species.
- Location
- Pee Pee Poo Poo
Working with the Emperor means helping a xenophobic empire conquer the galaxy at worst, with all that entails. So you guys need to clarify on what you actually want to work with the Emperor on, and what we want from the imperium & the Emperor. The earlier we get that sorted out the better.
@Yzarc Let's say Lorgar joins the imperium, will the quest follow his perspective, stay on Fan & Colchis or alternate between the two?
@Yzarc Let's say Lorgar joins the imperium, will the quest follow his perspective, stay on Fan & Colchis or alternate between the two?
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
You do not know.
Fan but it depends on how you want to deal with the emperor and how you guys vote.
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- Pee Pee Poo Poo
To be fair, that's 40k, where everything is doomed, in 30k there's other options, more paths to be travelled.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
This is one of those things which you need to find out IC.
If we get enough chips at the table we get to put conditions. No more xenocide is a big one, if we get that through that's the most good we can do short of a bloodles coup.
So... I have been thinking on how we can kill the Emperor if we have to. Here are my assumptions in case so you guys can see the whole process:
Plan Speak Softly and Carry an Artifact Nuke
What do you guys think? Is that enough overkill or should I have added onto it? Because I do have even more overkill to throw at him, though it gets costly on XP fast.
- The Emperor has arbitrarily high supernatural multipliers (for the sake of argument lets say x12) so it has to be Fan to kill him since he ignores those
- The Emperor has too many health levels to wear down in ordinary combat, if we are to kill him it has to be in a single overwhelming blow
- The Emperor has both a Surprise Negator and a Perfect Defense, we have not seen either on Lorgar, but then he is drawn from the talk-y and spiritual part of the Emperor not the more combat focused one so we need something to spend that counter before we can kill him
- The Emperor does not have immunity to the warp, since nothing ensouled can have it and also in canon it was warpfire that crippled him
Plan Speak Softly and Carry an Artifact Nuke
- Get some Ebon Dragon Charms for stealth in order to get close to him
- Build a dual warhead Artifact Warpfire Nuke
- Get one Extra Speed Mutation so we have two actions to attack with
- Fan Action 1: Fires first half of nuke
- Emperor Reaction: Perfect Defense
- Fan Reaction: Perfect Defense
- Fan Action 2: Fires second half of nuke blowing both the Emperor and himself away
- ...but unlike the Emeror Fan has SGI clones so he can just throw his Exaltation at one of them and he no worse for it while also reaping the Emperor's soul with Inner Darkness Internalization
What do you guys think? Is that enough overkill or should I have added onto it? Because I do have even more overkill to throw at him, though it gets costly on XP fast.
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we can get a second speed mutation right? seeing that the emperor is the emperor, double tapping would be prudent, lets throw 3 warhead Artifact Warpfire Nukes at him just to make sure
might as well hear about them if you have them
That was what the more overkill would have been:
- Double Extra speed
- Immunity to... anti-matter
- First Nuke is Anti-matter which Fan is immune so he does not have to use his reaction on it, but the Emperor hopefully does
- Then on with the plan as normal so that even if we has two reactions somehow he still dies.
Turn 9: Returning to an old home
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Colchis - 831.M31
The sun was just beginning to rise over the horizon as you stepped out of your transport, the familiar scent of rust and oil filling your lungs. Yet, despite the time you had previously spent here, there was something about this place that drew you back, a sense of potential, of untapped power waiting to be unleashed.
For months now, you had been working tirelessly to revitalize this facility. It had been a colossal task, one that had tested your skills, your patience, and your resolve. The factory had been a relic of a bygone era, its machinery outdated and inefficient, its systems long past their prime. But you had changed all that, transforming it into something truly extraordinary.
The work had been grueling. Day after day, you had poured your energy into repairing and upgrading the machinery, integrating new technology, and now here you were, coaxing the Machine Spirits into forms that would better suit their purposes.
The first few months had been particularly challenging, as the Spirits, though eager to serve, were hindered by the limitations of their physical forms. Many of them were ancient, their once-powerful minds now fragmented and clouded by the passage of time.
But you were not alone in this endeavor. Thalassa, a brilliant engineer with an almost uncanny connection to the Machine Spirits, had been by your side every step of the way. Together, you had faced challenge after challenge, overcoming each one through a combination of skill, determination, and a bit of luck.
The early days of the project were marked by a sense of urgency. The Spirits, though willing, were unable to keep up with the demands placed on them. They struggled to adapt to the new technology you were introducing, their old ways clashing with the new systems being implemented. It was a frustrating process, one that required endless patience and a deep understanding of the Spirits' unique nature.
Thalassa was instrumental during this time. Her ability to communicate with the Machine Spirits, to understand their needs and desires, was invaluable. She spent countless hours with them, coaxing them through the transition, guiding them as they adapted to their new forms. You could see the frustration in her eyes as she struggled to communicate with the older Spirits, who were resistant to change.
But Thalassa was nothing if not patient. Where others might have seen insurmountable obstacles, she saw opportunities for growth. Slowly but surely, the Spirits began to adapt, their minds sharpening as they adjusted to their new roles.
The first major challenge came when you attempted to integrate a particularly old and powerful Machine Spirit into the facility's central control system. This Spirit had once been the heart of the factory, overseeing every aspect of production with unmatched efficiency.
But that was decades ago, and the Spirit had since fallen into disrepair. Its once-brilliant mind had grown fragmented, its thoughts clouded by the passage of time. The task of reintegrating this Spirit was a delicate one, requiring a blend of technical expertise and a deep understanding of the Spirit's unique nature.
Thalassa spent weeks working with the Spirit, gently guiding it through the process of reintegration. It was a slow and painstaking task, one that required endless patience and care. There were moments when it seemed as though the Spirit might be lost forever, its mind too fractured to be of any use.
But Thalassa persevered, slowly piecing together the fragments of the Spirit's consciousness until, finally, it was whole once more.
With the central control system integrated and functioning, the facility began to show signs of improvement. Production efficiency increased, and the Machine Spirits, now operating in unison, were able to make real-time adjustments to the manufacturing process. The changes were subtle at first, small improvements in timing, a reduction in energy consumption, but over time, they began to add up. You could see the pride in Thalassa's eyes as the facility began to come to life again.
However, the process was not without its difficulties. There were unforeseen complications, such as the moment when one of the newly integrated Spirits began to exhibit erratic behavior. This Spirit was a young one, recently awakened and still adjusting to its new form.
It had a tendency to overcorrect, making drastic changes to the production process that led to temporary shutdowns and, on one occasion, a near-complete halt in operations.
Thalassa took this setback in stride. She approached the young Spirit with the same patience she had shown the older one, spending hours communicating with it, guiding it through the complexities of its new role, and helping it to understand the nuances of the production process.
Slowly but surely, the Spirit began to stabilize, its erratic behavior giving way to a more measured and deliberate approach.
The facility was beginning to operate at a level that hadn't been seen in decades. The Machine Spirits, now fully integrated into the production process, were working together with a level of coordination that was nothing short of miraculous.
The breakthrough that truly set the facility on its path to success came during the fourth month. Thalassa, ever the curious and diligent engineer, had been exploring the deepest reaches of the facility's archives, hoping to uncover anything that might give you an edge in your work.
What she discovered was nothing short of astonishing, an ancient data cache buried deep within the facility's memory banks, untouched for centuries.
The cache contained blueprints and schematics for a long-forgotten piece of technology, an advanced form of manufacturing that utilized the power of the nanomachines. The technology was complex, far beyond anything that had been developed in recent memory. It represented a leap forward, a new way of thinking about production and manufacturing that could revolutionize the entire industry.
Thalassa was undeterred by the complexity of the task before her. She spent weeks poring over the blueprints, deciphering the ancient code and reverse-engineering the technology until she had a working prototype.
It was a painstaking process, one that required a deep understanding of both the old ways and the new. But Thalassa was nothing if not determined. She worked tirelessly, her mind racing with possibilities as she brought the ancient technology to life.
The new system, once implemented, allowed the Machine Spirits to manipulate matter at the molecular level, creating components with a level of precision that was previously thought impossible. The impact on the facility's production capabilities was immediate and profound.
The Spirits, now armed with this new technology, were able to optimize the manufacturing process in ways that had never been seen before. Waste was reduced to near-zero, and production efficiency skyrocketed. The facility, once struggling to keep up with demand, was now operating at peak capacity, producing goods of unparalleled quality.
The discovery was a game-changer, one that put the facility on the map as a leader in the industry. The results were nothing short of extraordinary, and the facility quickly became the most advanced production center in the region. Orders began to pour in from all over, and the factory's reputation as a hub of innovation and excellence was solidified.
As the fifth month came to a close, the Machine Spirits, once neglected and forgotten, were now the lifeblood of the facility, guiding every aspect of production with a level of precision and adaptability that was nothing short of miraculous.
The facility was thriving, but with progress came new challenges. The complexity of the new technology introduced unforeseen complications. The delicate balance of power between the Machine Spirits and the physical machinery was becoming increasingly difficult to maintain. The integration process was far from complete, and there were still many challenges to overcome.
You and Thalassa spent long hours troubleshooting and problem-solving, trying to prevent the system from becoming unstable. The new technology, while powerful, was also incredibly delicate.
Even the slightest misalignment could throw the entire system out of balance, leading to production delays and potential safety hazards. There were moments of frustration, moments when it seemed as though the entire project might come crashing down. But Thalassa's determination never wavered, and neither did yours.
Together, you worked tirelessly to overcome each obstacle, fine-tuning the system and keeping the facility running smoothly. The work was demanding, requiring a level of precision and attention to detail that was mentally and physically exhausting.
But the results were worth it. The facility continued to operate at peak efficiency, its output growing with each passing day. The Machine Spirits, now fully integrated into the production process, were working together with a level of coordination that was nothing short of miraculous.
By the end of the sixth month, the facility was operating at a level that surpassed even your most optimistic projections. The Machine Spirits were fully integrated, the production process was optimized, and the facility was thriving.
But there was still a long road ahead. The integration process was ongoing, requiring constant attention and fine-tuning. There were still many challenges to overcome, but you were confident that, with Thalassa by your side, the facility would continue to thrive, pushing the boundaries of what was possible and setting the stage for a new era of production.
GAIN: Nanoforge
The Nanoforge is a rare and ancient piece of technology, a remnant from the Dark Age of Technology. With it, you have unlocked a fragment of the blueprint required to construct a T5 Factory, a facility capable of producing the most advanced materials and technologies known to humanity. However, this is only a piece of the puzzle—you will need to find additional fragments to fully unlock the secrets of a T5 Factory and harness its immense power. The journey to complete this blueprint will be arduous, but the rewards will be unparalleled.
To be clear, the Nanoforge is just one tech that goes in a T5 factory, you can build or integrate it into another Factory, but that by itself will not upgrade a T4 factory into a T5.
CHOICE:
[] Begin the process of integrating the Nanoforge into your infrastructure
-You gain a single T5 factory for PERSONAL use ONLY at the start of the next turn. BUT you loose an 11 T2 Resources next turn.
[] Do not integrating the Nanoforge into your infrastructure
-You do not gain a T5 factory but do not loose Resources.
The sun was just beginning to rise over the horizon as you stepped out of your transport, the familiar scent of rust and oil filling your lungs. Yet, despite the time you had previously spent here, there was something about this place that drew you back, a sense of potential, of untapped power waiting to be unleashed.
For months now, you had been working tirelessly to revitalize this facility. It had been a colossal task, one that had tested your skills, your patience, and your resolve. The factory had been a relic of a bygone era, its machinery outdated and inefficient, its systems long past their prime. But you had changed all that, transforming it into something truly extraordinary.
The work had been grueling. Day after day, you had poured your energy into repairing and upgrading the machinery, integrating new technology, and now here you were, coaxing the Machine Spirits into forms that would better suit their purposes.
The first few months had been particularly challenging, as the Spirits, though eager to serve, were hindered by the limitations of their physical forms. Many of them were ancient, their once-powerful minds now fragmented and clouded by the passage of time.
But you were not alone in this endeavor. Thalassa, a brilliant engineer with an almost uncanny connection to the Machine Spirits, had been by your side every step of the way. Together, you had faced challenge after challenge, overcoming each one through a combination of skill, determination, and a bit of luck.
The early days of the project were marked by a sense of urgency. The Spirits, though willing, were unable to keep up with the demands placed on them. They struggled to adapt to the new technology you were introducing, their old ways clashing with the new systems being implemented. It was a frustrating process, one that required endless patience and a deep understanding of the Spirits' unique nature.
Thalassa was instrumental during this time. Her ability to communicate with the Machine Spirits, to understand their needs and desires, was invaluable. She spent countless hours with them, coaxing them through the transition, guiding them as they adapted to their new forms. You could see the frustration in her eyes as she struggled to communicate with the older Spirits, who were resistant to change.
But Thalassa was nothing if not patient. Where others might have seen insurmountable obstacles, she saw opportunities for growth. Slowly but surely, the Spirits began to adapt, their minds sharpening as they adjusted to their new roles.
The first major challenge came when you attempted to integrate a particularly old and powerful Machine Spirit into the facility's central control system. This Spirit had once been the heart of the factory, overseeing every aspect of production with unmatched efficiency.
But that was decades ago, and the Spirit had since fallen into disrepair. Its once-brilliant mind had grown fragmented, its thoughts clouded by the passage of time. The task of reintegrating this Spirit was a delicate one, requiring a blend of technical expertise and a deep understanding of the Spirit's unique nature.
Thalassa spent weeks working with the Spirit, gently guiding it through the process of reintegration. It was a slow and painstaking task, one that required endless patience and care. There were moments when it seemed as though the Spirit might be lost forever, its mind too fractured to be of any use.
But Thalassa persevered, slowly piecing together the fragments of the Spirit's consciousness until, finally, it was whole once more.
With the central control system integrated and functioning, the facility began to show signs of improvement. Production efficiency increased, and the Machine Spirits, now operating in unison, were able to make real-time adjustments to the manufacturing process. The changes were subtle at first, small improvements in timing, a reduction in energy consumption, but over time, they began to add up. You could see the pride in Thalassa's eyes as the facility began to come to life again.
However, the process was not without its difficulties. There were unforeseen complications, such as the moment when one of the newly integrated Spirits began to exhibit erratic behavior. This Spirit was a young one, recently awakened and still adjusting to its new form.
It had a tendency to overcorrect, making drastic changes to the production process that led to temporary shutdowns and, on one occasion, a near-complete halt in operations.
Thalassa took this setback in stride. She approached the young Spirit with the same patience she had shown the older one, spending hours communicating with it, guiding it through the complexities of its new role, and helping it to understand the nuances of the production process.
Slowly but surely, the Spirit began to stabilize, its erratic behavior giving way to a more measured and deliberate approach.
The facility was beginning to operate at a level that hadn't been seen in decades. The Machine Spirits, now fully integrated into the production process, were working together with a level of coordination that was nothing short of miraculous.
The breakthrough that truly set the facility on its path to success came during the fourth month. Thalassa, ever the curious and diligent engineer, had been exploring the deepest reaches of the facility's archives, hoping to uncover anything that might give you an edge in your work.
What she discovered was nothing short of astonishing, an ancient data cache buried deep within the facility's memory banks, untouched for centuries.
The cache contained blueprints and schematics for a long-forgotten piece of technology, an advanced form of manufacturing that utilized the power of the nanomachines. The technology was complex, far beyond anything that had been developed in recent memory. It represented a leap forward, a new way of thinking about production and manufacturing that could revolutionize the entire industry.
Thalassa was undeterred by the complexity of the task before her. She spent weeks poring over the blueprints, deciphering the ancient code and reverse-engineering the technology until she had a working prototype.
It was a painstaking process, one that required a deep understanding of both the old ways and the new. But Thalassa was nothing if not determined. She worked tirelessly, her mind racing with possibilities as she brought the ancient technology to life.
The new system, once implemented, allowed the Machine Spirits to manipulate matter at the molecular level, creating components with a level of precision that was previously thought impossible. The impact on the facility's production capabilities was immediate and profound.
The Spirits, now armed with this new technology, were able to optimize the manufacturing process in ways that had never been seen before. Waste was reduced to near-zero, and production efficiency skyrocketed. The facility, once struggling to keep up with demand, was now operating at peak capacity, producing goods of unparalleled quality.
The discovery was a game-changer, one that put the facility on the map as a leader in the industry. The results were nothing short of extraordinary, and the facility quickly became the most advanced production center in the region. Orders began to pour in from all over, and the factory's reputation as a hub of innovation and excellence was solidified.
As the fifth month came to a close, the Machine Spirits, once neglected and forgotten, were now the lifeblood of the facility, guiding every aspect of production with a level of precision and adaptability that was nothing short of miraculous.
The facility was thriving, but with progress came new challenges. The complexity of the new technology introduced unforeseen complications. The delicate balance of power between the Machine Spirits and the physical machinery was becoming increasingly difficult to maintain. The integration process was far from complete, and there were still many challenges to overcome.
You and Thalassa spent long hours troubleshooting and problem-solving, trying to prevent the system from becoming unstable. The new technology, while powerful, was also incredibly delicate.
Even the slightest misalignment could throw the entire system out of balance, leading to production delays and potential safety hazards. There were moments of frustration, moments when it seemed as though the entire project might come crashing down. But Thalassa's determination never wavered, and neither did yours.
Together, you worked tirelessly to overcome each obstacle, fine-tuning the system and keeping the facility running smoothly. The work was demanding, requiring a level of precision and attention to detail that was mentally and physically exhausting.
But the results were worth it. The facility continued to operate at peak efficiency, its output growing with each passing day. The Machine Spirits, now fully integrated into the production process, were working together with a level of coordination that was nothing short of miraculous.
By the end of the sixth month, the facility was operating at a level that surpassed even your most optimistic projections. The Machine Spirits were fully integrated, the production process was optimized, and the facility was thriving.
But there was still a long road ahead. The integration process was ongoing, requiring constant attention and fine-tuning. There were still many challenges to overcome, but you were confident that, with Thalassa by your side, the facility would continue to thrive, pushing the boundaries of what was possible and setting the stage for a new era of production.
GAIN: Nanoforge
The Nanoforge is a rare and ancient piece of technology, a remnant from the Dark Age of Technology. With it, you have unlocked a fragment of the blueprint required to construct a T5 Factory, a facility capable of producing the most advanced materials and technologies known to humanity. However, this is only a piece of the puzzle—you will need to find additional fragments to fully unlock the secrets of a T5 Factory and harness its immense power. The journey to complete this blueprint will be arduous, but the rewards will be unparalleled.
To be clear, the Nanoforge is just one tech that goes in a T5 factory, you can build or integrate it into another Factory, but that by itself will not upgrade a T4 factory into a T5.
CHOICE:
[] Begin the process of integrating the Nanoforge into your infrastructure
-You gain a single T5 factory for PERSONAL use ONLY at the start of the next turn. BUT you loose an 11 T2 Resources next turn.
[] Do not integrating the Nanoforge into your infrastructure
-You do not gain a T5 factory but do not loose Resources.
[X] Begin the process of integrating the Nanoforge into your infrastructure
Its good investment
Its good investment
[X] Begin the process of integrating the Nanoforge into your infrastructure
Sure, we can get more resources, easy.
Sure, we can get more resources, easy.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Given the next turn involves choices involving the nanoforge? Dont say I did not warn you.
Most high tech options will be resource heavy.
- Location
- Arcadia
Even so, it is a worthy investment, nonetheless.
[X] Begin the process of integrating the Nanoforge into your infrastructure
[X] Begin the process of integrating the Nanoforge into your infrastructure