I'm being a bit of a Sourpuss again sorry but Prospero is literally on the other side of the Galaxy (Ultima Segmentum(east)) to Colchis (Segmentum Pacificus(West). That's why it was such a big deal that Magnus managed to beat Lorgar in the quota because he's literally on the opposite side of the Galaxy when he gets found with a legion that has less than 10,000 marines in it and he's getting more planets into compliance than Lorgar. This all occurs 100 years after the start of the Crusade.
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I do not think he got a fix on Lorgar, if he could just find primarchs there would be no looking for any of them. He felt the general direction of Kairos' death and that happened on Colchis.
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Shouldnt we try to find corax first? He asked that of us.
That's fair. There are probably similarly extreme things we can do to shake the snow globe even more and attract the Emperor's attention.
Even if we don't involve another Primarch, something like meeting up with the local Craftworlds and making a deal with them to mess with Slaneesh could have similar reverberations.
That's why I was thinking not just of finding Lorgar but Lorgar doing things that would be very obvious in the Warp.
Or reviving Men Of Stone or meeting up with other smaller Empires and Xenos in general.
That might work in theory, but I think you are being overly-optimistic about our ability to do so. The thing we did last turn can be summarized as:
Due to Kairos Fateweaver the Oracle of Tzeench being possessed by a an aspect of Laquen Quen, likely from said daemon's encounter with the Well of Eternity and following the intervention of an Infernal Exalted with the aid of a version of Corvus Corax that will now never exist was True Killed.
The reason for all the funny fonts above is is make clear just how many pieces had to fall precisely as they did to make the amount of metaphorical noise we are talking about.
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That's true, but we could also get up to shenanigans like recovering the Deathsword, Lorgar perma-killing N'kari with it, and averting the fall of Asur and the first death of Asurmen.
We don't have to make the same amount of noise as the death of Kairos, just enough for the Emperor to notice, however much that is.
I think that is was the perks-dearh of Kairos that the Emperor particularly noticed rather than the rest, so any Exalted Greater Daemon may do.
Since we are a fair distance from Biel-tan, that might be viable. That Craftworld makes the Imperium seem xenophilic and Orks seem peaceful and benevolent, and even most Eldar find them arrogant and unpleasant(I'm not a fan, in case you wondered).
From the map, I think the closest canon craftworld is IL-Kaithe, don't know much about them, but apparently they hate Chaos even more than normal Eldar. Sounds like potential friends to me.
TBH, I'd say that Biel Tan just acts like the regular Imperium. They're just not powerful enough to back it up.
I think is was specifically the True Death of Kairos, a thing which could not have happened if divination was to be trusted since he was the the oracle of the God of Fate. Since he did die anyway the universe might have shrugged its shoulders and gone 'I guess this whole fate shit does not work so good'. Or to put another way his death have the metaphysical effect of weakening all foresight because of what he was, which of course anyone using prophecy to guide themselves would notice the same way one would notice a flashbang followed by the room going dark.
They kind of act like the 40K Imperium though, as in they have even less of a sense of not being evil for practical reasons than the Crusade fleets
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Tbf, GW spends so little time and effort on characterising non-humans in general and non-space marines in particular that it's hard to say whether Biel Tan has internally rational motivations to do what it does. From their perspective they could have very good reasons to behave the way they do, we're just never really shown them.
I mean, these are the people that basically forgot what date the Fall happened and that the Eldar weren't an unchanging fixture in the galaxy and so made the 30K Eldar identical to the 40K Eldar in the Horus Heresy novels despite the historical context they'd established making that impossible.
They were so lazy that they even kept the most prominent Eldar character who shows up in 30K being the same as the most prominent Eldar character in 40K, despite previous material suggesting that Eldrad wasn't even born yet and certainly wasn't in charge of his Craftworld.
I don't want to say that GW isn't lazy about depicting non-human factions but the craft world Eldar are just survivors of the aldari empire they left before the fall and the fall happened anywhere from 3 to 5000 years ago they specifically left on ships following religious beliefs that they already possessed Beil Tan 1 are the Servants of the Khaine and they've been that way the entire time. Sort of like complaining that the harlequins are Servants of the clown God despite having always been Servants of the clown God.
That's why the Dark Eldar do just exist the fall happened anywhere from 3 to 5,000 years ago and they were already only a little less depraved then as they are now. They're not a galactic fixture but they are biologically immortal. Well I'm not going to say GW doesn't wreck on or miss or mess stuff up the elves are always supposed to be long lived assholes and they are still long lived assholes in 30k.
I was just doing a re-read and it occurred to me we have a way to get around some of the scaling problems of Wild-shaping, the same one the Lunars used in the old days: wildshape things that are alive and able to reproduce.
Sure we can't make a factory on the planet that produces plascrete, but we might be able to make the plascrete tree that draws its nutrients from the endlessly replenishing deposits of whatever the heck plascrete is made of.
@Yzarc is this viable? To be clear I do not expect this to be as efficient as just being able to shape factories, but is this something we can do?
Sure we can't make a factory on the planet that produces plascrete, but we might be able to make the plascrete tree that draws its nutrients from the endlessly replenishing deposits of whatever the heck plascrete is made of.
@Yzarc is this viable? To be clear I do not expect this to be as efficient as just being able to shape factories, but is this something we can do?
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This would trigger an autoimmune response as those trees would, fundamentally, be alien. Had you done it before rezing thd world soul it would have partly worked, because trees still need care and people to keep an eye on it.
But now? Not possible.
Shoot.
Can we still transplant these to other planets though (obviously without the synergy from infinite resources)?
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Sorry, misread your post. Yes but it would be like a Tyranid lifefofm breeding in a plznet. This is due to the fact that they are born from your Primordial Essence which has primacy.
That is entirely fine we can do it on planets that are not fit for human habitation but still able to support life (too hot, too cold wrong composition of gases etc...). The trees are not going to develop spaceflight to spread.
Do we know how many planets are in our solar system? And would any of the others have similar ruined shipyards and other things we can repair or repurpose? Or is that something we have to find out ourselves?
On another note, I'm surprised there's been no real shipping thus far.
Covering that planet over there with the argon-nitrogen atmosphere in resource producing lifeforms sounds like the ideal case for 'good enough', not like we were using it for anything else.
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Next update or the ones after.
Also to clarify, you can make a trees with Sorcery that will be accepted by the Worldsoul. You will need higher sux but with Sorcery that is possible, just not with Wyldshaping.
CCC applies to sorcery right? I remember it did when we made Thalassa a demigod. If that is still the case and the number of successes needed is not 'more than double' it makes sense to do that at least to start with since the 'biological resource extractors and refiners' lets call them would pull on infinite resources.
So we can theoretically make Yggdrasil and have it's fruits be battleships from the Dark Age of Technology?
I think the sheer complexity of a star ship is way off the table but we could probably make something grow computer chips if we rolled well enough.
The Fall explicitly happened simultaneously with the beginning of the Great Crusade. The Unification Wars on Terra happened in the immediate run up to the Fall. We're currently in the decades immediately after the Fall.
Biel Tan aren't servants of Khaine. None of the Craftworld Eldar are. His actions in the moments of the Fall partially redeem him in the Craftworld Eldar's eyes, but even afterwards they were still cautious of him. The Path of the Warrior is not Khaine worship. It's about carefully channeling Khaine's influence/Eldar aggression in controlled and limited ways that only manifest when the Eldar dons their war mask and goes to battle. They're not Wych Cultists or Incubi.
There's a reason that Asurmen, founder of the paths of the warrior, idealised Asuryan over Khaine, and the Craftworldees as a whole revere Eldanesh, the legendary hero who fought and was slain by Khaine as their ideal of the warrior, rather than Khaine Himself.
Biel Tan's Court of the Young King is an institution that reveres the Eldar Hero who gives their life to face Khaine in imitation of Eldanesh.
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