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Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)

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DragonParadox said:
we can give Chaos a taste of something they rarely have to deal with, infiltration.
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I don't know if they have ever had to deal with infiltration. The worse chaos has had to deal with is followers who think that they are more clever then they are. You know those people who pick up a chaos tainted sword well claiming that they are the master.
 
[X] Plan Navigational Space Balls
-[X] Astro-Navigational Orb
-[X] Production Ease 2
-[X] Repair 1
-[X] Safety 2
-[X] Simplicity 2

In the long term we can make whatever resources we want out of the warp. Super-mega unabtonium we can make a tree that produces it as fruit. So just make a better ball that is fast to make and easy to use.
 
Somnia said:
I forget do the Shamans count as psykers? And can we make Psykers?
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Answering the second question first since it is simpler, yes, but it takes wishes which means it is not very efficient. We can make someone a psyker with one wish, making them relatively safe takes more

As for the first shamans are technically all those who deal with spirits, which at the moment includes psykers who know the proper rites, Lorgar who is a demigod and Fan who performs sorcery because he is a Defiler and he does not need an external source. In a properly functioning shamanic tradition, with a world soul shamans are a kind of sorcerer that use world-soul as a patron.
 
[X] Super-Psykers
-[X] Gauntlet of Thal'Zar
--[X] Safety 5
--[X] Ease of Use 2

As we can manufacture psykers, and making people psykers is required to make people with enlightened essence. This means all our enlightened martial artists will also be psykers, so we already have strong reasons to make lots of strong ones.

Pecognition and telepathy would also massively help fight the clean sort of Great Crusade that Lorgar is likely to demand.

Longer run we're likely to be able to make shaman of ourselves.

Yzarc said:
You can grant Psyker Mutation through wishes though it will be at the lower levels.
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Can we strengthwn existing psyker mutations with subsequent uses of Scoured Perfection of Form?
DragonParadox said:
Yeah but he is always going to be worse at magic than we are and the Gauntlet does nothing for sorcery.
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I'm not convinced. If we give him high end psyker powers like decent Photokinesis then its synergy with his Mythos means he may be astonishingly good at it when paired with the Gauntlet.
 
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Alratan said:
Can we strengthwn existing psyker mutations with subsequent uses of Scoured Perfection of Form?


I'm not convinced. If we give him high end psyker powers like decent Photokinesis then its synergy with his Mythos means he may be astonishingly good at it when paired with the Gauntlet.
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Thing is he is not very good at anything but mind-shields now which is when that gauntlet is most likely to be relevant. If we really want a psychic focus on the long run go I don't know... bargain with some Eldar to protect their soul from Slaanesh in our worldsoul. Their Psy-tech is orders of magnitude better than anything humans ever had.
 
Yzarc said:
Worldsoul is not up yet so being a Shaman is just a fancy title with the ability to interact with Spirits at the moment.

Gnosis rating and others are being folded into their native Power stat, in this case, Mythos.
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IS the same true for actual Gnosis points that can be used as a substitute for Willpower to power mutations (and potentially psyker powers)?

DragonParadox said:
Thing is he is not very good at anything but mind-shields now which is when that gauntlet is most likely to be relevant. If we really want a psychic focus on the long run go I don't know... bargain with some Eldar to protect their soul from Slaanesh in our worldsoul. Their Psy-tech is orders of magnitude better than anything humans ever had.
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We haven't given Lorgar a VEE augmentation this turn yet, and I think we should give him Photokinesis right now. That would give him a very powerful offensive psyker ability.

It's likely to be a long time before we get the chance to bargain with the Eldar, and they're busy reinventing their own tech base from scratch at the moment.

Edit: note that protecting Eldar in our world soul, or by making them a shaman of us, is a good idea.
 
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Hm, speaking of psychic powers, getting Lorgar to 5 dots in Telepathy or Precognition might help with preparing for the Chaos horde.
 
Tzaphquiel said:
Hm, speaking of psychic powers, getting Lorgar to 5 dots in Telepathy or Precognition might help with preparing for the Chaos horde.
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Possibly, but as we can give 5 dots of Psyker powers with a single use of VEE, it's probably more efficient to do that. Particularly as what we're lacking when facing them isn't smarts, it's the ability to dish out enough damage fast enough to kill an army of superhumans before they massacre our tribe.
 
Yzarc said:
BENEFIT
You need to determine the Complexity of the Blueprint, i.e what benefits do you want. Each benefit goes from 0 to 5. Each benefit requires x5 successes to add to the Blueprint Stage. You roll Mental + Craft to make the Blueprint and make the rolls, one roll a week.

Having 5 is the Maximum benefit but it needs 5 x5 sux = 25 sux total to get that benefit.
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question, the benifits are added on top of the base STC right?
 
Going to bed soon, so......
Alratan said:
IS the same true for actual Gnosis points that can be used as a substitute for Willpower to power mutations (and potentially psyker powers)?
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He has Essence which overwrite things like rage, etc, sole exception being Willpower.

But he can use Willpower or Essence to power mutation etc psyker powers too (Safely at that).
Alratan said:
Can we strengthwn existing psyker mutations with subsequent uses of Scoured Perfection of Form?
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Not through Charms. But Sorcery works. Though, think hard if you want to make powerful psykers. There are risks.
*name* said:
question, the benifits are added on top of the base STC right?
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Yes. This is on top of the actual function of the device.
Robotninja said:
Huh. Can we create specialized psyker choirs?
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I do not see why not, but warp use is dangerous and some one will eventually end up getting possessed.
 
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Alratan said:
We haven't given Lorgar a VEE augmentation this turn yet, and I think we should give him Photokinesis right now. That would give him a very powerful offensive psyker ability.

It's likely to be a long time before we get the chance to bargain with the Eldar, and they're busy reinventing their own tech base from scratch at the moment.

Edit: note that protecting Eldar in our world soul, or by making them a shaman of us, is a good idea.
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Not sure I'd call Photokinesis 5 and a shinny Gauntlet better than Maelstrom 5 and 'being a Defiler.'. Personally I think Lorgar is better off commanding the fighting retreat while we grind them down with storms.
 
I do not want to spoil things but each device has its unique use on the battle. Even the power orb. No device will be useless but some are more useful short term and others have the potential to be truly destructive.
 
Robotninja said:
We can probably design a regime to help protect against that, especially with Logar. Also, have minders with Golden Janissary style around them as well.
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Thing is, anyone not Fan and a Primarch rolls for warp phonemenia. So it all comes down to rolls.

Using the Warp is like trying to use a damaged electric plug. Best case, you get shocked, worst case? You get the idea.
 
Yzarc said:
Thing is, anyone not Fan and a Primarch rolls for warp phonemenia. So it all comes down to rolls.

Using the Warp is like trying to use a damaged electric plug. Best case, you get shocked, worst case? You get the idea.
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While true, it is possible to train to use the Warp mostly safely. Plus strong willed people have it much easier, and weak psykers attract weak daemons. So a combo of strong will, inner faith, and being weak along with giving them really good training/skills should make them mostly safe.
 
DragonParadox said:
Not sure I'd call Photokinesis 5 and a shinny Gauntlet better than Maelstrom 5 and 'being a Defiler.'. Personally I think Lorgar is better off commanding the fighting retreat while we grind them down with storms.
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I think Photokinesis 5 plus having a Mythos related to Light plus the Gauntlet would be a much better way of killing just the enemy army in battle than Maelstrom 5, as Malestrom 5 is likely to kill your own army.

Photokinesis is also a Psyker power so you don't need to make sacrifices to warp entities for the privilege of using it.

Yzarc said:
Not through Charms. But Sorcery works. Though, think hard if you want to make powerful psykers. There are risks.
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There are, but the same is probably true for many things. And if we can make those powerful psykers from people with True Faith and then give them enlightened essence, they may be much safer.

Can we strengthen Lorgar's psyker powers in this way, as he's one of the safest potential psykers?
 
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Alratan said:
I think Photokinesis 5 plus having a Mythos related to Light plus the Gauntlet would be a much better way of killing just the enemy army in battle than Maelstrom 5, as Malestrom 5 is likely to kill your own army.

Photokinesis is also a Psyker power so you don't need to make sacrifices to warp entities for the privilege of using it.
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  1. Our own 'army' is 70 people, all with TDC, they will be fine
  2. Fan is a source of power, he does not have to make sacrifices to anything (or from a certain PoV he already has in the form of promising to remake the world-soul)
 
Alratan said:
There are, but the same is probably true for many things. And if we can make those powerful psykers from people with True Faith and then give them enlightened essence, they may be much safer.

Can we strengthen Lorgar's psyker powers in this way, as he's one of the safest potential psykers?
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True Faith does not prevent you from exploding. It certainly blunts......quite a lot. At 5 Dots.

You CAN spend Essence in place of drawing from the Warp. This is 100% safe.

As for Lorgar, by Virtue of being a Demigod, he does not roll warp phanemia. True faith does not have much to do with that. So he was good on that front even without True Faith.

As for strengthening his powers, he is Alpha + and can't get much more powerful. He can master his abilities bug Magnus will still beat him due to his Mythos.

For beings on Lorgar's level, it is less about power and more Narratives and to a lesser extent, Mastery.
 
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