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East Africa 1930: An ORBAT Quest

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Even a mostly de-gunned Chikuma, if we somehow get sailors trained enough to sail her around the local area, would grant us outsized influence, and would be a mighty big stick for keeping foreign fishing boats out of our waters, and for any little colonial adventures of our own. Those removed shell magazines could instead be extra bunks for some marines.... Plus, we can make her totally bristle with extra AA guns once we start building those.

Or we never find the money for enough sailors, and end up scrapping her. Either or.

Fake Edit: Discord discussion has found that Chikuma is chock-full of armor-grade steel that we will want to slap on our tanks when the time comes. So we have to hold onto the ship, and not scrap her until we start tank production. I say, let's see what we can do with her on a very tight budget until then.
 
Couldn't we get some extra funds by selling guns and ammo to etheopia. In the OTL ethiopia was not able to get many weapons because the brits and the french didn't want to get on italy's bad side. I know it's some time away before production, but it might get the goverment to let up some of the bugetary pressure.
 
dreameater said:
Not sure investing in navy is a good idea everyone both Britain and Japan will outgun us by default no matter what we do. It seems like a wasted venture.
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Despite some of the more aspirational suggestions in my previous post, it sounds like the 'boring but supremely practical' option is to keep her tied up secure in port as a prestigious-looking floating barracks, while we plan out in the long-term how to scrap her for maximum gain.

Guns for shore batteries, steel for tanks, engines salvaged as power plants, torpedoes for reverse-engineering our own ordnance...
 
4WheelSword said:
Japan is offering Reewiin the ship almost for free; some small concessions would be made as part of the deal, including a case of Type 38's from the first run of Reewiin Arisaka rifles for testing. Otherwise, this is a chance for Reewiin to try something new with limited risk.
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What exactly are these small concessions? For game purposes, can we actually disregard them?
 
Ok, can we get the M2 Browning in the future then?

I am thinking of having some sort-of make work scheme involving the warship, but I do admit that it's unfeasible.
 
KlavoHunter said:
Fake Edit: Discord discussion has found that Chikuma is chock-full of armor-grade steel that we will want to slap on our tanks when the time comes. So we have to hold onto the ship, and not scrap her until we start tank production. I say, let's see what we can do with her on a very tight budget until then.
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What if we name our frist domestic tank the Chikuma since we will be making it with the Chikuma?
 
KlavoHunter said:
Despite some of the more aspirational suggestions in my previous post, it sounds like the 'boring but supremely practical' option is to keep her tied up secure in port as a prestigious-looking floating barracks, while we plan out in the long-term how to scrap her for maximum gain.

Guns for shore batteries, steel for tanks, engines salvaged as power plants, torpedoes for reverse-engineering our own ordnance...
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Basically it's prime stuff for research and materials, or in other words it's time to do our best impression of xcoms research and engineering departments.
 
On a more serious note I'm wanting to see if we could do the Bofor L/60 or a derivative as the main gun of a light tank. I've been playing world of tanks and the 40 mm guns magazine fed cannons have been letting me dominate in tier 3 as long as I can get into postion to use them.
 
Silversun17 said:
On a more serious note I'm wanting to see if we could do the Bofor L/60 or a derivative as the main gun of a light tank. I've been playing world of tanks and the 40 mm guns magazine fed cannons have been letting me dominate in tier 3 as long as I can get into postion to use them.
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An auto loading 40mm may be a bit much for an interwar light tank, unless we're willing to sacrifice some other things. Until you reach the heavy multi-turret designs, most interwar tanks I've seen tend to be armed with either MGs, light ~20mm autocannons, or manually loaded 37-40mm guns.

That's not to say it's impossible, because now I've got the idea of a fast armored car carrying a 40mm Bofors in an open topped turret to run around and put shots in the side and rear armor, but it's probably going to need some signifigant tradeoffs to get a autocannon that size in a light tank turret.
 
7th Hex said:
An auto loading 40mm may be a bit much for an interwar light tank, unless we're willing to sacrifice some other things. Until you reach the heavy multi-turret designs, most interwar tanks I've seen tend to be armed with either MGs, light ~20mm autocannons, or manually loaded 37-40mm guns.

That's not to say it's impossible, because now I've got the idea of a fast armored car carrying a 40mm Bofors in an open topped turret to run around and put shots in the side and rear armor, but it's probably going to need some signifigant tradeoffs to get a autocannon that size in a light tank turret.
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The gun I use for t2 and t3 brit tanks is the 40 mm pom pom. My assumption is the l60 would be like that but better.

If we need to do a 20 mm we might be able to use the Type 96 the japanese have in service.
 
C_Z said:
Ehh, I'm hesitant about that. Friedman gives the weight of the guns as 8360 kg; if we were to modify them for mobile use they'd be even heavier due to the addition of a carriage, and it would be very hard to break it down into smaller loads. I don't think we have anything that can move 8 tons.
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A fair objection, though moving it by crane to a coast artillery position would probably not be out of our capabilities.

C_Z said:
It's also a bigger gun than what would normally be assigned as divisional artillery. A 6" gun with a muzzle velocity upwards of 800 m/s is more like corps or super-heavy artillery, no?
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Depends a little, at this point in time it's probably Corps level in most armies but I know at least the US uses a 6in gun at the divisional level around this time. Though you're very much on the money that this is a gun intended to hit ships in the ocean, not lob explosives into trenches.
 
Silversun17 said:
The gun I use for t2 and t3 brit tanks is the 40 mm pom pom. My assumption is the l60 would be like that but better.

If we need to do a 20 mm we might be able to use the Type 96 the japanese have in service.
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I'm not seeing anything about the 40mm pom pom being used on the British cruiser tanks IRL, so I think that may just be a game thing. They did use the Ordnance QF 2-pounder, which is a manually loaded anti tank gun entirely separate from the QF 2-pounder known as the pom-pom (blame the UK naming scheme, it's their version of the M1).

Either way the 40mm gun used on the British tanks is around 800kg, the Bofors L60 is around 2,000kg.
 
7th Hex said:
I'm not seeing anything about the 40mm pom pom being used on the British cruiser tanks IRL, so I think that may just be a game thing. They did use the Ordnance QF 2-pounder, which is a manually loaded anti tank gun entirely separate from the QF 2-pounder known as the pom-pom (blame the UK naming scheme, it's their version of the M1).

Either way the 40mm gun used on the British tanks is around 800kg, the Bofors L60 is around 2,000kg.
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Ouch forgot how much heavier it was. The type 96 might be the best bet our frist generation tank's gun then.


All though The qf2 is 818 kilos, the pom pom was 850 kilos.
 
The pom-pom is a pretty poor tank gun if we intend to be engaging enemy tanks due to the low velocity and bad against infantry per-shot due to the weak HE. It's also a belt-fed weapon, which is difficult to manage inside a cramped tank.

That said, it's worth noting that the Italians developed the 13.2 mm Hotchkiss Mle. 1929 into a 37 mm anti-aircraft gun that was quite good at its role (once they stopped doing weird stuff with the mountings). We have the same 13.2 mm Hotchkiss...
 
I keep hearing about this discord channel how can i join?

Edit: i do a have discord profile same username.
 
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