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Devourer of Worlds - A Lavos Spawn Quest | (Chrono Trigger x RWBY Crossover) (AU Elements)

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NemoMarx said:
From a meta perspective, we know that no matter what we do here Salem is going to turn into the Grimm Queen, because the quest isn't going to change enough to invalidate the future present we're used to, and not having a Grimm queen seems like a major change.

The in universe reason is more compelling, but this is basically an inevitable tragedy that Ozpin is just facilitating here.
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Narratively, I can think of one way of saving the present while also saving Salem, and that's if someone else filled the same role somehow.
 
NaanContributor said:
Funnily enough, this is something I realized and decided to come point out to the thread before all the debate about Ozpin, but I guess that just works better for being more relevant. Namely, I'm not really sure anymore that Ozpin's immortality does work the same way it does in canon.

When I first read this I just accepted it as, "Oh yeah, she's mistaking modern Ozpin for her recent research assistant Ozma, and expects him to help her. Boy is she in for an unpleasant surprise."

But now I realize that wouldn't make any sense with the soul-joins-with-a-different-person-style immortality, because then Ozma and Ozpin would be completely different men and wouldn't physically look like the same person at all (as in the show). So the fact that Athame mistook Ozpin for Ozma means that his body is still the same from the beginning, which must mean he's a more traditional style of immortal in this AU right? No reincarnation, no possession.
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See, I thought that the Queen had some sort of mind control/obedience power/spell/thing unrelated to the crown. She attempted it on Blake only to run into Obsidian, so I figured she wasn't going to take chances here and tried it on Ozpin to make him help her.
 
TaliesinSkye said:
Narratively, I can think of one way of saving the present while also saving Salem, and that's if someone else filled the same role somehow.
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That's not better though, it just means someone else suffers in her place. If it was even that simple, which it probably wasn't. Someone ending up as Supreme Leader of something like the Grimm no doubt has some very strange circumstances that probably don't exist for much of the population.
 
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    • Nottheunmaker said:
    That's not better though, it just means someone else suffers in her place. If it was even that simple, which it probably wasn't. Someone ending up as Supreme Leader of something like the Grimm no doubt has some very strange circumstances that probably don't exist for much of the population.
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    Maybe there doesn't need to be a person in charge? The Grimm are weaker in this era, but they're still doing the same things in what looks like roughly the same way.

    Without Salem their strategic behavior wouldn't necessarily be the same, but it only has to be close enough to get approximately the right outcome.

    It may be the case that they don't ramp up fast enough to stay ahead of the humans/faunus, but since they're basically self organizing destruction I think they could make it work without whatever buff they get from Salem.

    The biggest issue would be ensuring that an unopposed Ozma wouldn't make the world unrecognizable if left alone, but we could time-nap him as well to mitigate that.
     
    Burned_Cookie said:
    Do not underestimate the power of proper strategising.

    A few month would make a real difference, let alone millennia.
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    Yeah, but Salem was clearly keeping it low key to avoid letting people know she existed and was apparently in some sort of balance with Ozpin for a significant period of time.

    It's not impossible that removing both of them from play at once would leave both sides in something like the balance they currently maintain.

    There's a substantial amount of guesswork involved here, but considering that Salem was clearly focused on using the Grimm as a tool in her fight with Ozpin rather than organizing grand offensives against humanity as a whole her loss might not mean much for the average community in terms of Grimm behavior.
     
    BronzeTongue said:
    Yeah, but Salem was clearly keeping it low key to avoid letting people know she existed and was apparently in some sort of balance with Ozpin for a significant period of time.

    It's not impossible that removing both of them from play at once would leave both sides in something like the balance they currently maintain.

    There's a substantial amount of guesswork involved here, but considering that Salem was clearly focused on using the Grimm as a tool in her fight with Ozpin rather than organizing grand offensives against humanity as a whole her loss might not mean much for the average community in terms of Grimm behavior.
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    On the one hand, I want to naysay on the basis that even if the balance works out almost the same, individual lives lost would still be vastly different. But on the other, this is part Chrono Trigger.
     
    BronzeTongue said:
    Maybe there doesn't need to be a person in charge? The Grimm are weaker in this era, but they're still doing the same things in what looks like roughly the same way.

    Without Salem their strategic behavior wouldn't necessarily be the same, but it only has to be close enough to get approximately the right outcome.
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    BronzeTongue said:
    There's a substantial amount of guesswork involved here, but considering that Salem was clearly focused on using the Grimm as a tool in her fight with Ozpin rather than organizing grand offensives against humanity as a whole her loss might not mean much for the average community in terms of Grimm behavior.
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    Another good question is how many of the Grimm is Salem actually responsible for. Clearly she can create Grimm and she can control any Grimm (that we've seen), but that's not the same as creating every Grimm and controlling all of the Grimm. It's possible she normally stays out of it because, honestly, why would Salem care about pillaging some random upstart town in the middle of nowhere? If anything, letting them survive is to her benefit, since it's another surface that Ozpin needs to consider.
     
    RoninSword said:
    They were talking about when we dreamed about Dust and there was invisi-text that showed someone/something was trying to contact Obsidian and Obsidian wasn't capable of noticing. One theory was that if Dust is formed by the planet's Semblance, perhaps it was the planet itself trying to make contact.
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    Oh. I though there was Invisible text in the most recent chapter.
     
    I was rereading the battle of Beacon, and just as I got to the part where Obsidian and Blake do their merge thing a sailor moon song comes on, I had to stop and laugh.
     
    Given the right circumstances could our humans possess more than one Dream?
    For example: Obsidian said they to share a dream one's mind must have a deep connection to him. If the link is strong enough could Ruby posses both Melchior and Lucca's Dreams?
     
    AbyssLordSonnie said:
    Given the right circumstances could our humans possess more than one Dream?
    For example: Obsidian said they to share a dream one's mind must have a deep connection to him. If the link is strong enough could Ruby posses both Melchior and Lucca's Dreams?
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    That has been answered once before. A second Dream is possible, but only after considerable time has passed so the new person has stabilized, for lack of a better term.
    If you add it too early, you get personality bleed. Well, even more and detrimental amounts of personality bleed.
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    The dream would have accelerated them, but they're still a possibility in the future. Blake is probably pretty close to being able to handle it; if she hadn't accidentally had that partial Dream of Obsidian she'd probably be good now. As it is, she'd likely be fine before much longer.

    Ruby isn't too far behind her, although she's a bit iffier since she also has the Silver Eyes to potentially dilute her identity. Then again, she hasn't relied on them too much...
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    Part of me wants to give Lucca's dream to Ruby but another part of me hearing that we could eventually make Roman have a dream thought: con man + gadget master + charisma = perfection, plus the discussions that would ensue the moment Ruby and Roman have to build something together are too funny to miss.
     
    Just remember there isn't any hard-coded ability that a dream grants regardless of who dreams. If I recall correctly x50413 went on record saying that if someone else had dreamed of Melchior then they would have gotten some other gift from the dream, instead of his crafting mastery. Roman is a con man and has charisma, he'd likely a: not get Lucca has a possible dream and b: even if he did he'd get something more like whatever allowed her to rush past the palace guards to find Chrono in the middle of a war in 600 AD or break into a prison to perform a jail break with Chrono in 1000 AD. Maybe a way with technobable to enhance his ability to con. A way to see connections where others don't, maybe? He'd get something from her that resonated with him. And from what I remember, building things wasn't something that resonated with him.
     
    Nottheunmaker said:
    You mentioned that the last time I mentioned wanting to go down that route. No offense, but my opinion on it since then hasn't improved.
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    My apologies, it seems I'm getting old. I didn't recall that conversation at all. It's fine if you don't like it, I'm not offended. There are many different ways to approach a single topic, and it's fine if you're looking for something else out of it than where I went.
     
    I found it !!!!, finally after hours of searching I managed to find fan art of what I think Blake looks like now (interestingly the less specific you are the better options you get).

    Obviously I only refer to the clothes


    The only thing missing is the gauntlet and that's it, it's perfect.


    And I take the opportunity to show this fan art that at least I consider the design of blake as an adult.


    One thing I realized and it's sad to me, the designs that the fandom makes are more imaginative, creative, inspired and pleasing to look at than the designs that RWBY canon thinks up.
     
    w34v3r said:
    Some of that is due to having to animate those outfits, to be fair.
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    There's also a bit of an odds thing going on. There are a lot more fans than there are creators and there's an even larger disparity between the number of official works and fan works you can find. It's almost inevitable that some of them will be better than the originals, especially when they don't need to be consistently better.
     
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