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Devastation Comes In Big Packages [Planetary Annihilation/Multicross SI]

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Sun Qui is a terrible ambassador, why was she used? Just the first high ranking official that came to hand?
 
I don't know man, she accomplished all of the directives that her government set out for her.

Oh, also, this marks the point where we're going to start leaping ahead now that I've set up the basic premise of 'hey look at these guys who are now in the universe'.
 
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torroar said:
I don't know man, she accomplished all of the directives that her government set out for her.

Oh, also, this marks the point where we're going to start leaping ahead now that I've set up the basic premise of 'hey look at these guys who are now in the universe'.
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Sorry but you can put up any explanation that is contrary to what you said but your beliefs and SG1Earth!Hate are still leaking into your 'Fanfic Star Nation' as a form of extremely arrogant preaching and author!revenge fiat. Your guys come off as a very poor attempt at an authorial 'Vengeance Against Canon' faction to me . I could have let it slide IF SG-1 was in the latter seasons and the canonical stupidity has settled in already..but no..you simply couldn't resist and instead of making them behave themselves at least to some extent you simply had to get a personal satisfaction from kicking 'imaginary characters' you dislike.

The only way the above can be make up for is that this behavior will backfire on them massively in some way..either before your SI comes back from Orilla..or after and in the form of punishment.
 
The 'Fanfic Star Nation', as you referred to it, are supposed to be arrogant preachers you silly goose. I fucking love the SG1 series, so this 'vengeance against canon' thing is kind of hilarious. What, precisely, do you suggest I do instead by making 'them behave themselves'?

Do you mean the Empire of Wu, which has to almost everyone else here been accepted as a large shiny façade over a ludicrously paranoid and arrogant people who have managed to ruin relations with every other race in the setting save perhaps the Asgard who are instead back in Ida at this point? Who, along with their leader, pissed off the goddamn Nox? They're kind of assholes, as everyone else up until this point has seemed able to figure out. Do you want me to go find the posts where other posters and I pontificate on the assholery and crippling issues that the Empire of Wu possess?

Or do you mean SG1, which are about as respectful and diplomatic as they've ever been and ever will be? Which is the way they kind of are? Jack has always mouthed off to everyone to Ascended, to his own death, to Goa'uld who have the trigger for weapons capable of blowing the planet and are sometimes trying to do so. His team to a lesser extent does so as well.

As for the imaginary characters I dislike kicking, or utter lack thereof…well…nope. Here, let's try doing what is happening yes? Not getting satisfaction for nonexistent kicking of imaginary characters I love. Ah, there we go, reality has thus replaced the falsehood that came before.

Canon itself can often be boiled down to – and then SG1 came across a bunch of jerks. Here's another bunch of jerks.

EDIT: Despite this being a Sunday where I was going to just piss around and write for my quests, here, have some posts!

torroar said:
The Network, I think, has been directly and indirectly responsible for about half a billion civilian deaths at this point.

Causing the Shadow Banking War outright set the Underworld of the Star Wars Galaxy aflame. An underworld that stretched everywhere and had its fingers in almost every aspect of society. Hundreds and hundreds of planets had ridiculous amounts of death happen in the alleyways and ghettos where the law did not tread as gangs tore each other apart.

His fight against the Empire - and his aiding the Rebellion - saw even more worlds than in 'canon' be fought over openly than would have otherwise. Not to mention the amounts of slaves and workers that were worked literally to death trying to build up more super ships and weapons for the Empire.

He took over a hundred worlds from the Goa'uld, that doesn't even cover what other worlds he's taken/colonized that weren't under Goa'uld control. And yet in doing so drove the Goa'uld to burning 20 worlds to deny him.

His attempt to pre-emptively take down the Ori and Wraith has resulted in those same Ascended Beings twisting his Sub Commander Children, and now there is a war covering an entire galaxy at a level of conflict that really is PA instead of SG. That includes everyone in that same galaxy.

But for his Goal?

The Tau'ri - humanity - was declared a Great Race. He's just trying to make that a reality...and has stumbled along the way. He isn't going for 40K style overwhelming Humanity In Control Of All. He just wants them to be able to really stand on their own, and thus far...well. Things are happening of course.
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And that's the problem.

You're trying to fit the Empire into a tiny little SG-1 shaped box.

No.

This is an Empire that openly decries the Goa'uld culture, and when capturing a world puts extensive effort to undo generations of cultural conditioning and it was working. They were levering propaganda against them in surprisingly effective measures. You know what that does?

It leads to revolts because the people are being shown that the Goa'uld suck wang and that there is another force out there capable of beating them.

Revolts lead to Goa'uld repressing those revolts.

That, combined with the Emperor focusing on the people themselves - saving them from the Goa'uld and having that be his open public motive - led to that great and wonderful thing = spite. Angry, furious spite. So yeah they started burning worlds, and yeah they now have standing orders for it.

Oh, sure, the Empire would win that fight. Of course they'd overwhelm them at the end of that like you seem to want. But not before too many Goa'uld vessels under now Standing Orders from their Gods burned the worlds below with their absolutely effective planetary bombardment weaponry.

Because you know how many worlds is too many?

One.

And it would be more than one.

Not to mention the fact that the Empire was also busy fighting a bunch of other threats like say Replicators and Wraith and Ori - which doesn't even get into the intense amount of work it takes at all to reverse all the psychological damage that the Goa'uld inflicted on all those under the whip.

So yeah. You are exactly wrong. There now are standing orders for massacring. Because the Empire pushed too hard, and too fast, and was too obvious about its intentions. The Emperor fucked up.

The Empire of Wu is fucked up in plenty of ways.

Guess what!

Shit ain't fixed with a snap of fingers here.
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torroar said:
...I guess you missed the part where the Emperor inadvertently taught the Goa'uld the 'benefits' of Scorched Earth Tactics, then.
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torroar said:
It's not supposed to excuse them.

The Empire of Wu isn't even close to perfect and I'm not going to portray them as such.

As for the Sub Commanders? Couple of reasons. ROB, Ori, Whimsy, take your pick.

If it truly breaks things for you, I can change it to them bouncing back to 50 Per Cap. They still know droid armies and navies like he learned.
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torroar said:
It could be that being stuck in a Cold War with monsters like the Goa'uld for over a century because the enemy loves committing atrocities on their own people to prevent Wu from coming in might have negatively affected them mentally while their Emperor is off fighting a horrifically painful war against his own children in another galaxy entirely.

Or, consider that The Network's various personalities and servants are all touched slightly by their Original Personality i.e. the Commander's when he made them all.

And he watched all the various Stargate Stuffs, from SG-1 to Universe.

And that messing with O'Neill is funny to them, for some odd reason.

....not that I'm saying that every servant and government official is part of The Network through one way or another, of course.
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Ultra Pacifist meets Mega War Dude Who Does Into War

Ultra Pacifist finds MWDWDIW offensive in the extreme due to existence at all, followed by warmongering, followed by trying to involve Nox in said warmongering.
 
How is that possible and can they teach me
Also frankly I like how torroar shows the empire is imperfect as nothing can truly be perfect
 
Furthermore...on making what come back to bite them?

The stealthed spies with technologies that no one on Earth has a fraction of a chance of detecting or stopping? At all? Ever? For the foreseeable future?

Or just up and leaving before the US representative gets there?

Cause...no? What, exactly is this nation whose space capacity involves dinky little shuttles going to do to 'make that come back to bite them'?

Snub them when the great Apple Pie deal goes south because it's something that the Empire doesn't possess? Except...that it does???

The Empire has ludicrous resources compared to not just the USA but the entire planet Earth several magnitudes over. They don't need to even speak to them. They could have just turned them around and kicked them back through the portal, locked an Iris over the gate, and had that be the end of it. Do you mean having the NID sabotage them? Because that isn't going to happen given the sheer disparity in, well, almost everything between Imperial Security and Earth's sometimes top and sometimes not so top illegal espionage group.

I just...I don't know man. I feel like you saw this big group and got angry at them existing at all. Which is a completely fair response, but in-story...the things you desire here are extremely likely to not come about.
 
torroar said:
who have managed to ruin relations with every other race in the setting save perhaps the Asgard who are instead back in Ida at this point?
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To be fair, everyone beside the asguard are assholes that need a severe kick in the nuts in the setting.

Nox

And the nox are just a bunch of stuck up pricks. They are the worse kind of true neutral. The kind that let chaotic evil people go free because "muh interference."
 
I wonder how the nations on earth will feel when the find out about the Wu empire?
They should feel somewhat relieved that the empire is friendlyish.
torroar said:
The stealthed spies with technologies that no one on Earth has a fraction of a chance of detecting or stopping? At all? Ever? For the foreseeable future?
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To be fair Kinsey kinda deserves anything coming to him.
 
torroar said:
Furthermore...on making what come back to bite them?

The stealthed spies with technologies that no one on Earth has a fraction of a chance of detecting or stopping? At all? Ever? For the foreseeable future?

Or just up and leaving before the US representative gets there?

Cause...no? What, exactly is this nation whose space capacity involves dinky little shuttles going to do to 'make that come back to bite them'?

Snub them when the great Apple Pie deal goes south because it's something that the Empire doesn't possess? Except...that it does???

The Empire has ludicrous resources compared to not just the USA but the entire planet Earth several magnitudes over. They don't need to even speak to them. They could have just turned them around and kicked them back through the portal, locked an Iris over the gate, and had that be the end of it. Do you mean having the NID sabotage them? Because that isn't going to happen given the sheer disparity in, well, almost everything between Imperial Security and Earth's sometimes top and sometimes not so top illegal espionage group.

I just...I don't know man. I feel like you saw this big group and got angry at them existing at all. Which is a completely fair response, but in-story...the things you desire here are extremely likely to not come about.
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One of the things I always hate about SG fics is how often the big powerful civilization for some reason goes out of its way to appease Earth. Either forgiving sever breach of trust like stupid NID operations or just tossing advanced technology at Earth with a lame excuse that is really meant to make Earth matter.

The only thing Earth truly possesses that the Empire can't just get anywhere else is cultural stuff and even that does not have to happen through the SGC. There is a few fics where poweful protag practically kow-towed to Earth giving huge advances in exchange for trinkets despite the fact the character could easily have side-stepped all that to directly obtained the cultural knowledge they desired. To be realistic a Earth government would be ecstaticn about getting a simple non-military advanced technology explained to them in detail and all for a bunch of stuff any nation could get a hold of.
 
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I think they just do it so they don't have to deal with the bullshite from earth, Hell even I would throw them tech (no one says it has to be up to date) to NOT have to deal with the likes of Kinsey and the NID. but I would include a "Do not interfere with my business clause" should they want any more tech down the line.
 
Jack_Fireshard said:
I think they just do it so they don't have to deal with the bullshite from earth, Hell even I would throw them tech (no one says it has to be up to date) to NOT have to deal with the likes of Kinsey and the NID. but I would include a "Do not interfere with my business clause" should they want any more tech down the line.
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then just dont deal with Kinsey and the NID,
 
Gaminglord99 said:
then just dont deal with Kinsey and the NID,
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Kind of hard when SG-1 has the tendency to pop out of no where, you could be at the ass end of the Galaxy, deep in Enemy territory or in the middle of Deep space and they would still find you. So having to deal with Kinsey and NID is an inevitability and thus short of assassinating Kinsey and Purging NID (Is that second one even Possible?) it's better to just placate them while at the same time keeping them from annoying you/interfering in your business down the line.


Edit: Also I have seen a few SI's who just Purge Earth/Bombard it from orbit/Scorch earth it (no pun intended) rather then deal with the issues they bring.
 
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Jack_Fireshard said:
Kind of hard when SG-1 has the tendency to pop out of no where, you could be at the ass end of the Galaxy, deep in Enemy territory or in the middle of Deep space and they would still find you. So having to deal with Kinsey and NID is an inevitability and thus short of assassinating Kinsey and Purging NID (Is that second one even Possible?) it's better to just placate them while at the same time keeping them from annoying you/interfering in your business down the line.


Edit: Also I have seen a few SI's who just Purge Earth/Bombard it from orbit/Scorch earth it (no pun intended) rather then deal with the issues they bring.
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Just take all the gates and advanced tech, that way they can't leave the planet and if you have some moral issues with leaving the earth undefended just place a fleet or two above earth to keep the guo'ald(don't know if i spelt that correctly) away.
 
jamie96969 said:
Just take all the gates and advanced tech, that way they can't leave the planet and if you have some moral issues with leaving the earth undefended just place a fleet or two above earth to keep the guo'ald(don't know if i spelt that correctly) away.
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While that may work short term, you need to remember that they were already working on the BC-303 Prometheus by season 2 (2002 as the X-303) so yeah......


on that note, how can they even call that ship a Battle cruiser, I mean it's barley a Destroyer by standard navel conventions -_-
 
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Jack_Fireshard said:
While that may work short term, you need to remember that they were already working on the BC-303 Prometheus by season 2 (2002 as the X-303) so yeah......


on that note, how can they even call that ship a Battle cruiser, I mean it's barley a Destroyer by standard navel conventions -_-
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That's why I said take all the advanced tech and if they try to leave tell them you will reveal all the things America has been up to in the wider galaxy which would cause massive amounts of unrest around the world, and if that wont convince them just destroy the spaceship and the place used to build it, repeat as needed.
 
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