Remove ads

Cyberpunk 2077: Rockerboy Keanu Silverhand

Reader mode
Ritterin Sophia said:
Here's a pretty good video that encapsulates a lot of my thoughts on the trans ad in Cyberpunk 2077.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...


Damn, he isn't bad. I don't necessarily agree with him on sexualization or artistic freedom in general, but he makes his arguments pretty well. There was multiple times where I expected him to say something problematic and, no, people were just jumping ahead when he was trying to prepare the terrain to say the problematic thing is bad.

I especially liked the point about needing criticism within the game to show the ad is a bad thing. And his doubts about them doing it properly.

It's also interesting how he digs much deeper about how the ad is wrong, with "mix it up" and "manticore" implying fucked views about what a trans person even is. It's not just the depiction of a girl with a penis. The ad itself has transphobic elements.

Thanks for sharing.
 
I just remembered that there was this odd channel "Cyberpunk 2077 Trailer Everyday" where a guy made to watch/make reaction video to the E3 2018 trailer every day until release, which wasn't known until the recent episode, but if it started right now would involve it would mean making 300 videos). The guy wasn't creepy or anything, ,but it is was a rather particular project in my opinon (Presumably would have switched to the cinematic trailer if allowed to)

It seemed to have been deleted, but you can find trace of its existence on google.

 
Last edited:
Chlof said:
I'm sorry, do you expect us to be thankful for this minstrel show bullshit? That's fucking wild.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

This isn't a minstrel show, and if you think that a poster in a video game equates or even compares in any way to having being publicly mocked and derided as senseless, dumb, and backwards animals, for generations, then you need to check your motherfucking privilege.

I don't usually get mad on the internet, but I think that actually made me see literal red.
 
Telamon said:
This isn't a minstrel show, and if you think that a poster in a video game equates or even compares in any way to having being publicly mocked and derided as senseless, dumb, and backwards animals, for generations, then you need to check your motherfucking privilege.

I don't usually get mad on the internet, but I think that actually made me see literal red.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Oh, I'm sorry. Mandingo would've worked better. But honestly, go piss up a rope, cishet. You obviously don't know even the slightest bit of the damn near millennia of exploitation and murder my siblings have gone through and you say I'm ignorant? You think this latest installment in the centuries of sexual caste we've endured is privilege? Fun times. Actually, I'll cut myself off here to prevent myself getting infracted further than I will be, but let me be clear: it's your bloody privilege that's disgusting. Go stub your toe on something sharp.
 
Chlof said:
Oh, I'm sorry. Mandingo would've worked better. But honestly, go piss up a rope, cishet. You obviously don't know even the slightest bit of the damn near millennia of exploitation and murder my siblings have gone through and you say I'm ignorant? You think this latest installment in the centuries of sexual caste we've endured is privilege? Fun times. Actually, I'll cut myself off here to prevent myself getting infracted further than I will be, but let me be clear: it's your bloody privilege that's disgusting. Go stub your toe on something sharp.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

And you obviously don't know anything about the centuries of exploitation, murder, and literal slavery my people have gone through, or you wouldn't be comparing it to a morally dubious poster in a video game.

Your privilege isn't being transgender.

Your privilege is being not black.
 
Stop: Stop
  • Staff Post
    • Chlof said:
    Oh, I'm sorry. Mandingo would've worked better. But honestly, go piss up a rope, cishet. You obviously don't know even the slightest bit of the damn near millennia of exploitation and murder my siblings have gone through and you say I'm ignorant? You think this latest installment in the centuries of sexual caste we've endured is privilege? Fun times. Actually, I'll cut myself off here to prevent myself getting infracted further than I will be, but let me be clear: it's your bloody privilege that's disgusting. Go stub your toe on something sharp.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...

    Telamon said:
    And you obviously don't know anything about the centuries of exploitation, murder, and literal slavery my people have gone through, or you wouldn't be comparing it to a morally dubious poster in a video game.

    Your privilege isn't being transgender.

    Your privilege is being not black.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    stop That is more than enough. This is absolutely ridiculous. If you cannot be civil, you cannot be here. You're both threadbanned for a week.
     
  • Staff Post
    • veteranMortal said:
    Summary? I don't watch videos from dipshit youtubers I don't know, because I like youtube functioning properly, and when it clogs with gamers - and then, inevitably, dipshits whining about feminists - it is no longer functioning properly.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    I highly recommend opening any video from an unknown/non-curated source in a private/anonymous window these days, especially if it's gaming related. That way, it can't really screw up your algorithm.

    But yes, asking for a summary is also the right thing to do.
     
    Serafina said:
    I highly recommend opening any video from an unknown/non-curated source in a private/anonymous window these days, especially if it's gaming related. That way, it can't really screw up your algorithm.

    But yes, asking for a summary is also the right thing to do.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    If and when the A L G O R I T H M starts putting trash into my reccomendations, I click the "Not Interested" button until it goes away.
     
    veteranMortal said:
    Summary? I don't watch videos from dipshit youtubers I don't know, because I like youtube functioning properly, and when it clogs with gamers - and then, inevitably, dipshits whining about feminists - it is no longer functioning properly.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    Mostly discussing RPS's and a few other outlets comments and articles written in response to Pondsmiths public statements regarding a few of the latest controversies.
     
    WireWolf said:

    Vidya
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...


    Oh god, it's the guy who makes videos with ridiculously click-baity titles that keep clogging up my YouTube recommendation page. Yes, I know Anthem and Fallout 76 were bad! I don't need 5000 videos (give or take) telling me the same bloody thing! Hell, he's made at least three videos about the "controversy" surrounding CP2077!
     
    One issue I have with the in game ad is that without a clear expression of what the game's values are the ad risks becoming a Rorschach test for the reader. Is it "hell yeah, in the future you can have a robodick"? Is it an expression of the sad exploitation of the bodies of women and LGBT people in the hypercapitalist dystopia? Is it some Fox News grandpa shit where you know the future is fucked up and scary because weird freaky people do sex in it? Who knows at this point? The game may frame the issue in a certain way that tells us how were supposed to feel about it, or it may stay safely neutral and not make a statement in a game directly named after a genre thats largely dedicated to making statements.

    There's this dynamic kinda going on in the Witcher. Like with Sorceresses where throughout the games it's hard to tell whether we're supposed to respect them as strong women in a man's world, or see them as scheming wenches screwing up the man's world with their meddling. Or Dragon Age, which went out of its way to stay ambivalent on whether the treatment of mages is bad, or neccessary evil. With plenty of flip flopping on the matter.
     
    Last edited:
    Reveen said:
    One issue I have with the in game ad is that with a clear expression of what the game's values are the ad risks becoming a Rorschach test for the reader. Is it "hell yeah, in the future you can have a robodick"? Is it an expression of the safe exploitation of the bodies of women and LGBT people in the hypercapitalist dystopia? Is it some Fox News grandpa shit where you know the future is fucked up and scary because weird people do sex in it? Who knows at this point? The game may frame the issue in a certain way that tells us how were supposed to feel about it, or it may stay safely neutral and not make a statement in a game directly named after a genre thats largely dedicated to making statements.

    There's this dynamic kinda going on in the Witcher. Like with Sorceresses where throughout the games it's hard to tell whether we're supposed to respect them as strong women in a man's world, or see them as scheming wenches screwing up the man's world with their meddling. Or Dragon Age, which went out of its way to stay ambivalent on whether the treatment of mages is bad, or neccessary evil. With plenty of flip flopping on the matter.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    Hmm, is that necessarily a bad thing?

    Obviously, the bigoted ones are bad but they're likely going to be there regardless because some of the audience is going to be bigoted by default. But I think offering room for different interpretations is a good thing. Especially considering the Dragon Age example, the ambiguity of the Mage-Templar conflict and how one could plausibly have a reasonable reason for supporting either side made things more interesting IMO.

    That's not to say that the game should avoid having a message, obviously, that kind of cowardice stands in the way of making a good story. But some ambiguity isn't necessarily the same thing as being bad writing.
     
    Fourthspartan56 said:
    Hmm, is that necessarily a bad thing?

    Obviously, the bigoted ones are bad but they're likely going to be there regardless because some of the audience is going to be bigoted by default. But I think offering room for different interpretations is a good thing. Especially considering the Dragon Age example, the ambiguity of the Mage-Templar conflict and how one could plausibly have a reasonable reason for supporting either side made things more interesting IMO.

    That's not to say that the game should avoid having a message, obviously, that kind of cowardice stands in the way of making a good story. But some ambiguity isn't necessarily the same thing as being bad writing.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...

    When that ambiguity can potentially normalize and amplify harm, and also when the game is clearly trying to make a political statement, that's not really the case.
     
    LSkullD said:
    When that ambiguity can potentially normalize and amplify harm, and also when the game is clearly trying to make a political statement, that's not really the case.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    Well yes, but I don't see how it does?

    If people see a public trans person and think "that's why it's a dystopia" then they're going to do it regardless of the game's message. Obviously, if they give that kind of message then that's bad but I don't see how people assuming something they were going to assume either way is the fault of the devs.
     
    Fourthspartan56 said:
    Well yes, but I don't see how it does?

    If people see a public trans person and think "that's why it's a dystopia" then they're going to do it regardless of the game's message. Obviously, if they give that kind of message then that's bad but I don't see how people assuming something they were going to assume either way is the fault of the devs.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...

    There are multiple trans people on this site who have told you why it does. Repeatedly.
     
    LSkullD said:
    There are multiple trans people on this site who have told you why it does. Repeatedly.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    I never said the original thing wasn't transphobic, but the devs have promised the option to play as a trans person and to increase trans representation.

    If they do then different people taking different things out of the ad doesn't have to problematic.

    Which is my entire point, I never said that the ad wasn't problematic on its own. My entire point, clearly, has just been that people who are bigoted are probably going to have bigoted reactions regardless.
     
    Last edited:
    Fourthspartan56 said:
    I never said the original thing wasn't transphobic, but the devs have promised the option to play as a trans person and to increase trans representation.

    If they do then different people taking different things out of the ad doesn't have to problematic.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...

    They didn't. It's potentially possible, but they haven't confirmed it.
     
    LSkullD said:
    I've read that article. It doesn't actually say that they're adding trans options in there.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    How so?

    Gamasutra: We haven't seen the full character selection screen. The team said it wasn't finished yet. There are still many changes you all are making to the game. Has the team at all considered, given their use of [trans] characters like that in the game to depict cyberpunk, has the team thought about giving players that kind of choice over their character, to give themselves similar representation?

    And if they're not, has the team considered the gap between portraying characters like that, and limiting what you can have your players represent themselves as?

    Tomaskiewicz: Of course. It's a very sensitive and important subject I believe. We have put a lot of thought into this. One of the things we want to do in the final game (which we couldn't show in the demo yet, because as you mentioned it's a work in progress) is to give the players as many options of customization in the beginning of the game as we can.

    For example, we want to do this thing where, as you create your character, after you choose the body type, you can, for example, use physical traits as you build your face that could be assigned to a man or a woman.

    Gamasutra: Or nonbinary?

    Tomaskiewicz: Or nonbinary. The idea is to mix all of those up, to give them to the players, as they would like to build it. Same goes for the voice. We wanted to separate this out, so the players can choose it freely. This is something we are still working on, it's not as easy as it sounds.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...

    That sounds like a pretty clear intention to offer customization options to play as people other than just cis.
     
    Reader mode
    You must login or register to reply here.
    Remove ads
    Back
    Top