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[] Good Faith Negotiations Outdated
-[] Treasury
--[] x2 Bailouts:
The banks are collapsing thanks to a combination of reparations payments causing a loss of faith in German bonds, bad war debt, and the debts incurred by companies that were badly hit by the civil war. The banks need their bad debt taken on and they need a cash infusion – an emergency redemption of government war debt will do the trick and moreover increase the stability of the currency. DC30. Raises currency stability, prevents bank collapse. Costs 25 Budget.
--[] Partial Nationalization: Many industries are debt-ridden and thanks to the occupation of their Ruhr or Westphalian or Hanoverian facilities cannot pay their debts – the KPD may have pulled back but spinning those back up is difficult. The companies cannot pay and we will have to take a stake in them to take on the bad debt – a bad beginning for an independent Reichsbank, but a necessary one. Some of the greatest industrial names in Germany are on the line – such as Bayer, for instance, had dyeworks and factories in what was KPD territory that are now damaged and needing rebuilding. DC30. Forestalls a corporate debt collapse by taking on bad debt and a stake in the affected companes. Costs 20 Budget. Further action required for recovery. Economic stabilization grants Stability.
-[] Justice
--[] x2 The Trials (0/100):
The Ministry of Justice has to bring the case against the putschists and the KPD, both of the parties that rose up against the republic and sparked a five-month civil war. This will be critical, and the longer the trials drag on the worse things will get in terms of allowing the far-right a platform and risking martyring the KPD leadership – we cannot afford either case. That means speed and skill, and in the face of an uncooperative judiciary no less. All we can hope for is that the civil war has angered the judges more than the existence of the republic. And for some of the old traditionalists in the judiciary, that is indeed possible. Rolls below 20 on any die assigned to this cause a backlash/event. High rolls give bonuses to stability and deradicalization.
--[] The Silesian Sore: Silesia is seeing a full blown insurgency and the troops of Freikorps Oberland that have been used for internal security there are acting in a manner that would exacerbate things. We need to get the province in line and use the courts to do so legally while sending in the federal police and – perhaps or, perhaps and – the army. DC35. Stabilizes Silesia a little, enforcing guidelines for law enforcement and purging the local police forces as needed to maintain stability.
-[] Interior
--[] x2 Plebiscite on Prussia:
We have to run the plebiscite for the breakup of Prussia, and that means we have to make sure the vote is free and fair in spite of paramilitaries, right-wing parties and the army. It'll be a chancy thing, but a victory here will be a vindication of the republic and beneficial for federalism in the long term – the Prussian tail cannot be allowed to wag the German dog. DC60.
--[]Reparations: We can pay back the reparations in kind as well as cash, although that means risking the destabilization of the economy as we take commodities out of circulation to hand them to the French. While the Allies have agreed to an incentive payment of five marks per ton of delivered coal and are willing to heavily credit us for deliveries of machinery, they also want hard currency. Badly. And the French Army has made noises about marching out of its bridgehead to the Ruhr if those demands are not met.
--- 20+5(×5=25) = 25 Budget, 45 reparations.
-[] Foreign
--[] x2 Reparations Renegotiation
: The reparations payment schedule is being negotiated in London and it might be a good idea to send Rathenau across and make sure that the post-civil-war republic has a voice. It isn't one that will be listened to or listened to with any sympathy at least, but at least we shall be there. And perhaps we can make our case – we cannot argue with force anymore, and we therefore have to make do with words. DC70/90/140, present for two turns, results each turn determine reparations payment schedule.
--[]Capitalizing on Poland: The Poles are relying on German arms to win out against the Soviets at present, and we can use that to pressure them to cease aiding underground groups in Silesia and East Prussia – and then use the army on the undergrounds. Not the most savory of tactics, but it might work as long as the Poles cooperate. As long as the Poles are rational about it all. DC30. Attempts to get Poland to stop backing insurgencies.
-[] Defense
--[] The Deutsche Bahn Study (0/50):
The army is an odd way to accomplish nationalization of the railways, but it's certainly something that the army would not mind. Having a direct line to the railway authorities and potential control over national railways in exchange for backing nationalization is fine by them, and the army's railway experts are the same men that managed the wartime logistics – there are few better. Allows nationalization of railways and establishment of a national Reichsbahn/Deutsche Bahn on completion. Mollifies the army a little.
--[] x2 Crackdowns: The army can act as a backup for Special Branch investigations of KPD insurgent cells, and that would be something they are very willing and able to do. While it's a bit heavy handed, it at least gets them out out of our hair in Westphalia, at least somewhat. With them somewhat occupied, that's less voter intimidation. DC40 to find something, below 10 is a shooting.


Modifying Sturmi's plan by delaying the land reforms in order to actually pay some of the reparations we owe the allies. I have serious doubts about how our renegotiation will turn out if our first action is to blow the Allies off completely, and they really do need the money aswell. This isn't paying out the full amount, but rather the original + a tiny bit extra because AI can't be bothered to care about 1 budget and as a thank you for delaying reparations while we were dunking on the Communists and the Triad. Also, we kind of do need to see how our economy starts straining from repayments, so we can find out what to work towards to migate the damage. I was thinking about doing Alpine instead of leaning in Poland, but honestly the Polish can go spin right now, we aren't friends and we both know it.

This plan becomes a lot less viable if the budget doesn't work like I think it does, obviously. Hopefully Mouli clears it up.
 
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Don't think the motatorium is over yet, although the vote of confidence is appreciated!
ah, my bad. Well, your plan sounds all around sensible.

I played with the idea of delaying payment to collapse the Entante, but that could lead to the french trying their hand at a ruhr occupation. They´d fail of course to make much of it, like otl, the French military is in a downyard spiral it will never recover from, but the cost of waiting three years with a french army in our industrial core ain´t worth it
 
--[]Capitalizing on Poland
--[]Capitalizing on Poland:
Guys, if we're deciding to spend all our budget and send goods to the Entente, it might be a better ideia to talk to the Italians than the Poles this turn. The former might not need that artillery for too much longer, so we should send it NOW, before the Entente makes noises about treaty violations and it is no longer possible to sell the artillery.

Also, having 5 more budget is nothing to scoff at, we need more food, and some of the other goods sent can serve as reparations payment. The Poles also have a DC30, whilst the Italian action doesn't, we can send in the army and police to fight against Polish violence, whilst there is no alternative in the options to deal with the Italians.
 
Guys, if we're deciding to spend all our budget and send goods to the Entente, it might be a better ideia to talk to the Italians than the Poles this turn. The former might not need that artillery for too much longer, so we should send it NOW, before the Entente makes noises about treaty violations and it is no longer possible to sell the artillery.

Also, having 5 more budget is nothing to scoff at, we need more food, and some of the other goods sent can serve as reparations payment. The Poles also have a DC30, whilst the Italian action doesn't, we can send in the army and police to fight against Polish violence, whilst there is no alternative in the options to deal with the Italians.

The issue with this is that we need to spend actions on doing our own reforms aswell, we can't get stuck digging out Polish Partisans. Managing to cut off the most egregious Polish Support should allow us to take it easier there, which allows us to do reforms which keeps our coalition together. Both of these actions have potential opportunity costs attached to them.

However, selling to the Italians now should also hopefully make the negotiations go smoother aswell, and food allows us to end the rationing sooner while increasing stability. Gahh... Gotta think about it.
 
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The issue with this is that we need to spend actions on doing our own reforms aswell, we can't get stuck digging out Polish Partisans. Managing to cut off the most egregious Polish Support should allow us to take it easier there, which allows us to do reforms which keeps our coalition together. Both of these actions have potential opportunity costs attached to them.
It doesn't solve the problem of the partisans being there, which is the biggest problem. The Polish government will just stop supporting them, which is a good thing, but not enough to stop the need for policing action. It's not even a guarantee it will succeed, whilst the Italian one is and gives us desparately needed cash and primary goods to trade and feed our people with. We also don't know if it will be there in six months, so we should pick it now.
 
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After thinking about our money situation some more and reading over Rathenau's priorities, I figured we might be able to do a little bit of market speculation.
Foreign Ministry
Auswärtiges Amt (Foreign Office): Walther Rathenau (DDP/Independent)
Priorities/Agenda: Something of an elder statesman in the DDP and therefore able to challenge the dominant strains of thought in that party, Rathenau is an astute economist and was once the head of AEG before going into politics – foremost in the Foreign Ministry's considerations is what must be done abroad to rebuild the German economy. In the Foreign Ministry's eyes that involves rapprochement with the Soviet Union under the table as a means of securing an easy export market and avoiding antagonizing a dangerous enemy, normalization of ties with Britain and the cultivation of ties in Central Europe and the Balkans. And above all of that is the need to befriend the United States. Some of this might irritate the DDP, but Rathenau is one of the few in the cabinet who can tell them to get with the program.
If the USSR is still unfriendly to foreign markets ITL (on account of the foreign interventions and all), we might be able to finesse ourselves into the position of a trade hub between Western Europe and the USSR to buy cheap raw materials from the Union and sell them high-grade industrial equipment.

Of course, when I say we, I mean our businessmen and industrial groups. Question is, how do we create a favorable climate for that sort of trading to take place?
 
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[] Good Faith Negotiations
-[] Treasury
--[] x2 Bailouts:
The banks are collapsing thanks to a combination of reparations payments causing a loss of faith in German bonds, bad war debt, and the debts incurred by companies that were badly hit by the civil war. The banks need their bad debt taken on and they need a cash infusion – an emergency redemption of government war debt will do the trick and moreover increase the stability of the currency. DC30. Raises currency stability, prevents bank collapse. Costs 25 Budget.
--[] Partial Nationalization: Many industries are debt-ridden and thanks to the occupation of their Ruhr or Westphalian or Hanoverian facilities cannot pay their debts – the KPD may have pulled back but spinning those back up is difficult. The companies cannot pay and we will have to take a stake in them to take on the bad debt – a bad beginning for an independent Reichsbank, but a necessary one. Some of the greatest industrial names in Germany are on the line – such as Bayer, for instance, had dyeworks and factories in what was KPD territory that are now damaged and needing rebuilding. DC30. Forestalls a corporate debt collapse by taking on bad debt and a stake in the affected companes. Costs 20 Budget. Further action required for recovery. Economic stabilization grants Stability.
-[] Justice
--[] x2 The Trials (0/100):
The Ministry of Justice has to bring the case against the putschists and the KPD, both of the parties that rose up against the republic and sparked a five-month civil war. This will be critical, and the longer the trials drag on the worse things will get in terms of allowing the far-right a platform and risking martyring the KPD leadership – we cannot afford either case. That means speed and skill, and in the face of an uncooperative judiciary no less. All we can hope for is that the civil war has angered the judges more than the existence of the republic. And for some of the old traditionalists in the judiciary, that is indeed possible. Rolls below 20 on any die assigned to this cause a backlash/event. High rolls give bonuses to stability and deradicalization.
--[] The Silesian Sore: Silesia is seeing a full blown insurgency and the troops of Freikorps Oberland that have been used for internal security there are acting in a manner that would exacerbate things. We need to get the province in line and use the courts to do so legally while sending in the federal police and – perhaps or, perhaps and – the army. DC35. Stabilizes Silesia a little, enforcing guidelines for law enforcement and purging the local police forces as needed to maintain stability.
-[] Interior
--[] x2 Plebiscite on Prussia:
We have to run the plebiscite for the breakup of Prussia, and that means we have to make sure the vote is free and fair in spite of paramilitaries, right-wing parties and the army. It'll be a chancy thing, but a victory here will be a vindication of the republic and beneficial for federalism in the long term – the Prussian tail cannot be allowed to wag the German dog. DC60.
--[]Reparations: We can pay back the reparations in kind as well as cash, although that means risking the destabilization of the economy as we take commodities out of circulation to hand them to the French. While the Allies have agreed to an incentive payment of five marks per ton of delivered coal and are willing to heavily credit us for deliveries of machinery, they also want hard currency. Badly. And the French Army has made noises about marching out of its bridgehead to the Ruhr if those demands are not met.
--- 20+8(×5=40) = 28 Budget, 60 reparations.
-[] Foreign
--[] x2 Reparations Renegotiation
: The reparations payment schedule is being negotiated in London and it might be a good idea to send Rathenau across and make sure that the post-civil-war republic has a voice. It isn't one that will be listened to or listened to with any sympathy at least, but at least we shall be there. And perhaps we can make our case – we cannot argue with force anymore, and we therefore have to make do with words. DC70/90/140, present for two turns, results each turn determine reparations payment schedule.
--[]Across the Alps: While we haven't had much contact with the Swiss and the Austrians, we can at least spare them some attention while reaching out to Italy – Italy wants arms and is willing to trade in kind and in a small amount of hard currency, while we have artillery to dispose of. Heavy artillery. I think that we can make a deal, says Gustav Krupp, and the Minister is inclined to believe him. Sells the heavy guns to Italy. Roll determines payment. Payment floored at 5 Budget one time, and the rest of it in food or in Italian assets.
-[] Defense
--[] The Deutsche Bahn Study (0/50):
The army is an odd way to accomplish nationalization of the railways, but it's certainly something that the army would not mind. Having a direct line to the railway authorities and potential control over national railways in exchange for backing nationalization is fine by them, and the army's railway experts are the same men that managed the wartime logistics – there are few better. Allows nationalization of railways and establishment of a national Reichsbahn/Deutsche Bahn on completion. Mollifies the army a little.
--[] x2 Crackdowns: The army can act as a backup for Special Branch investigations of KPD insurgent cells, and that would be something they are very willing and able to do. While it's a bit heavy handed, it at least gets them out out of our hair in Westphalia, at least somewhat. With them somewhat occupied, that's less voter intimidation. DC40 to find something, below 10 is a shooting.



Decided that focus on prosperity will have to take precedence over getting the Polish to stop being dicks. Getting rid of the Heavy Artillery should hopefully make the renegotiations go smoother aswell, as they can see us starting to follow the treaty like we promised. Edit: Increased the amount of coalmarks repayment, meeting the old and the new payment plan in the middle.
 
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[] Good Faith Negotiations

Seems like a good plan to me, I like that it doubles down on crackdowns considering we have decided to do public trials on the KPD. The moratorium is up soon, so I'll vote for it in a bit I think.
 
I don't think that good faith strategy is worth it. Reparations being delayed means Entente and specifically France are not getting money for dousing their own economic fires while we get a break to better stabilize our own economy. With France being massively overstretched and Syrian and Turkish war and, most importantly, far left uprisings occurring right now this well may affect them significantly and bring closer withdrawal of French troops from Rhineland. And QM specifically and directly said that for first time we'll get only a warning from France (again, they are too not in state to make drastic punitive measures), only second delay will stir them to act to ruin our Ruhr industry.
Further, while we indeed don't pay full 80 budget, only 32, full 20 of that is in specie, which we need to stabilize our situation and not allow to downfall it into hyperinflation spiral as in OTL. The more gold we save in bank reserves, the better, and in future we can negotiate with Soviet state, which will desperately need our modern industrial equipment and could serve as source of gold (and grain, saving our money on buying that too). On topic of possible exacerbation of recession - now world doesn't have 20's to build up stock bubble to crash, if anything, recession now could become less destructive in total than Great Depression OTL - just one more somewhat deeper ditch in one big after-WWI cesspool, not sudden and long falling from a cliff.
On other hand, UK and US also won't get their repayments, while the former also desperately need it, so in future trying to diplomatically convince the rest of Entente to force France to chill might become more difficult. I still don't view this tradeoff as that overwhelming, and we could seek allies elsewhere... (points to east).
 
...And QM specifically and directly said that for first time we'll get only a warning from France (again, they are too not in state to make drastic punitive measures), only second delay will stir them to act to ruin our Ruhr industry...

...On other hand, UK and US also won't get their repayments, while the former also desperately need it, so in future trying to diplomatically convince the rest of Entente to force France to chill might become more difficult. I still don't view this tradeoff as that overwhelming, and we could seek allies elsewhere... (points to east)...

Two issues here, while banking on the warning only being a warning is probably safe, it is definitely not without consequences if we completely blow the UK and France off. France's economy going under might be very funny for us, however it is absolutely a lot less funny when they push hard for keeping reparations at the full 80 per turn as vengance and in order to save itself somehow. The UK and the US will absolutely not be sympathetic to us if us dragging our feet on this leads into this, and then we are liable to be stuck with an extremely harsh payment plan with no chance for further negotiations for several years. Secondly, turning east while blowing of the East will result in the Ruhr getting trashed by the French. We desperately need that not to happen for so many reasons that it is absolutely worth it IMO to atleast attempt to do some repayment now in order to make everything work out. If Ruhr gets invaded then we're gonna be stuck dealing with the fallout of that with a much reduced budget anyways for years. It will not make things simpler, just worse.
 
@mouli I would appreciate some clarification on the Police Reform option. It needs to be done eventually but the text implies that doing Police Reform may trigger police atrocities. Will this happen if we take this option, or will it be happening anyway if we don't take it?
It is likelier to happen if you don't take it due to the Sipo being more heavily armed. The French are also going to more and more angry the longer you don't take it, and with a reparations schedule under negotiation in London that is not a good thing.
@mouli is it possible to pull out that rug and collapse the Entente? Asking because it is a major POD...and not something I want to do.
No, you'll trigger a major recession at most and the Entente is already divided and further dividing as per history. The Allies have issues agreeing on the Russian war debt and that is and will remain a festering sore.
I am pretty sure, that we get 85 budget per turn, so it would mean that we next turn would have 92 budget, not just 7 budget, unless I am mistaken.
You have 85 per turn as long as you don't take more options that penalize your economy and/or have per turn payments.
 
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@mouli, if the Italian option is indeed picked this turn, could we spend the five budget it provides in the plan immediately this turn? On reparations I mean.
 
Just wondering, what are the consequences of the two different methods to repay our debts to the Allies? Using coal and industrial goods gives us a good markup, but could cause shortages that'll harm our own economy, correct? Meanwhile paying out in goldmarks and specie, what are the potential consequences there apart from just not having money to spend next turn?
 
Just wondering, what are the consequences of the two different methods to repay our debts to the Allies? Using coal and industrial goods gives us a good markup, but could cause shortages that'll harm our own economy, correct? Meanwhile paying out in goldmarks and specie, what are the potential consequences there apart from just not having money to spend next turn?
Correct on possible shortages, and specie can destabilize the currency along with cutting your available budget. You have a currency that is in theory backed by gold, even if you have suspended convertibility. Little specie and one cannot pay for imports, which means one has to cut back on essential imports, which shanks exports of finished goods in a back alley, etc. Along with loss of confidence in the currency, of course.
 
Considering that if we want to, we have 5 more budget this turn, do you think it is worth it to increase reparations this turn? Or should we let it carry over to the next @Adronio? It might make the negotiations run a bit smoother this turn, and will decrease shortages if I interpreted it right.
 
Considering that if we want to, we have 5 more budget this turn, do you think it is worth it to increase reparations this turn? Or should we let it carry over to the next @Adronio? It might make the negotiations run a bit smoother this turn.
I'm not feeling giving over any more hard cash, however we don't have any coal shortages *yet*. Although liable to change, I'm wondering if we shouldn't allocate 3 more budget to reparations and meet the old and the new payment plans in the middle. It'll still give us some internal brownie points from sticking it to France, be less of a slap in the face to the Allies and potentially a negotiation buff all in once. I'm predicting we are gonna see strain pretty much immediately, but I'm willing to attempt to make ends meet here.
 
I'm not feeling giving over any more hard cash, however we don't have any coal shortages *yet*. Although liable to change, I'm wondering if we shouldn't allocate 3 more budget to reparations and meet the old and the new payment plans in the middle. It'll still give us some internal brownie points from sticking it to France, be less of a slap in the face to the Allies and potentially a negotiation buff all in once. I'm predicting we are gonna see strain pretty much immediately, but I'm willing to attempt to make ends meet here.
Hmm, that's true, there is the specie shortage to consider. I think we should keep it as it is then, don't want to mess up our imports. Hopefully what we've invested already is enough, and the Entente will see our efforts to prop up our economy in good faith, since if it collapses it will much harder to pay the reparations.
 
Made the edit, Im ready to see the damages to our economy afterwards; hopefully nothing crushing. I hope the Allies will be somewhat reasonable in us coming up short.
 
Since we actually get 85 budget per turn, I'd be willing to pay a fair set of reparations but I would like to caution heavily against the Italian option over trying to get the Poles to cut out their explicit support of Polish rebels in our territory. It will be extremely difficult to get the situation in the east under control, and nothing the Italians can give us would be worth cutting that off this turn rather than next. I have modified my plan accordingly.

[X] Und weil der Mensch ein Mensch ist
-[X] Treasury
--[X] x2 Bailouts:
The banks are collapsing thanks to a combination of reparations payments causing a loss of faith in German bonds, bad war debt, and the debts incurred by companies that were badly hit by the civil war. The banks need their bad debt taken on and they need a cash infusion – an emergency redemption of government war debt will do the trick and moreover increase the stability of the currency. DC30. Raises currency stability, prevents bank collapse. Costs 25 Budget.
--[X] Partial Nationalization: Many industries are debt-ridden and thanks to the occupation of their Ruhr or Westphalian or Hanoverian facilities cannot pay their debts – the KPD may have pulled back but spinning those back up is difficult. The companies cannot pay and we will have to take a stake in them to take on the bad debt – a bad beginning for an independent Reichsbank, but a necessary one. Some of the greatest industrial names in Germany are on the line – such as Bayer, for instance, had dyeworks and factories in what was KPD territory that are now damaged and needing rebuilding. DC30. Forestalls a corporate debt collapse by taking on bad debt and a stake in the affected companes. Costs 20 Budget. Further action required for recovery. Economic stabilization grants Stability.
-[X] Justice
--[X] x2 The Trials (0/100):
The Ministry of Justice has to bring the case against the putschists and the KPD, both of the parties that rose up against the republic and sparked a five-month civil war. This will be critical, and the longer the trials drag on the worse things will get in terms of allowing the far-right a platform and risking martyring the KPD leadership – we cannot afford either case. That means speed and skill, and in the face of an uncooperative judiciary no less. All we can hope for is that the civil war has angered the judges more than the existence of the republic. And for some of the old traditionalists in the judiciary, that is indeed possible. Rolls below 20 on any die assigned to this cause a backlash/event. High rolls give bonuses to stability and deradicalization.
--[X] The Silesian Sore: Silesia is seeing a full blown insurgency and the troops of Freikorps Oberland that have been used for internal security there are acting in a manner that would exacerbate things. We need to get the province in line and use the courts to do so legally while sending in the federal police and – perhaps or, perhaps and – the army. DC35. Stabilizes Silesia a little, enforcing guidelines for law enforcement and purging the local police forces as needed to maintain stability.
-[X] Interior
--[X] x2 Plebiscite on Prussia:
We have to run the plebiscite for the breakup of Prussia, and that means we have to make sure the vote is free and fair in spite of paramilitaries, right-wing parties and the army. It'll be a chancy thing, but a victory here will be a vindication of the republic and beneficial for federalism in the long term – the Prussian tail cannot be allowed to wag the German dog. DC60.
--[X] Reparations: We can pay back the reparations in kind as well as cash, although that means risking the destabilization of the economy as we take commodities out of circulation to hand them to the French. While the Allies have agreed to an incentive payment of five marks per ton of delivered coal and are willing to heavily credit us for deliveries of machinery, they also want hard currency. Badly. And the French Army has made noises about marching out of its bridgehead to the Ruhr if those demands are not met.
---[X] 20+5(×5=25) = 25 Budget, 45 reparations.
-[X] Foreign
--[X] x2 Reparations Renegotiation:
The reparations payment schedule is being negotiated in London and it might be a good idea to send Rathenau across and make sure that the post-civil-war republic has a voice. It isn't one that will be listened to or listened to with any sympathy at least, but at least we shall be there. And perhaps we can make our case – we cannot argue with force anymore, and we therefore have to make do with words. DC70/90/140, present for two turns, results each turn determine reparations payment schedule.
--[X]Capitalizing on Poland: The Poles are relying on German arms to win out against the Soviets at present, and we can use that to pressure them to cease aiding underground groups in Silesia and East Prussia – and then use the army on the undergrounds. Not the most savory of tactics, but it might work as long as the Poles cooperate. As long as the Poles are rational about it all. DC30. Attempts to get Poland to stop backing insurgencies.
-[X] Defense
--[X] The Deutsche Bahn Study (0/50):
The army is an odd way to accomplish nationalization of the railways, but it's certainly something that the army would not mind. Having a direct line to the railway authorities and potential control over national railways in exchange for backing nationalization is fine by them, and the army's railway experts are the same men that managed the wartime logistics – there are few better. Allows nationalization of railways and establishment of a national Reichsbahn/Deutsche Bahn on completion. Mollifies the army a little.
--[X] x2 Crackdowns: The army can act as a backup for Special Branch investigations of KPD insurgent cells, and that would be something they are very willing and able to do. While it's a bit heavy handed, it at least gets them out out of our hair in Westphalia, at least somewhat. With them somewhat occupied, that's less voter intimidation. DC40 to find something, below 10 is a shooting.
 
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Since we actually get 85 budget per turn, I'd be willing to pay a fair set of reparations but I would like to caution heavily against the Italian option over trying to get the Poles to cut out their explicit support of Polish rebels in our territory.
If the deal only gave us 5 budget, then sure. But it gives us more than that: removes one of our treaty violations, and gives us potentially desperately needed food and goods, since we'll base reparations this turn so heavily on raw materials. We might not have the opportunity to take it next turn as well, while I doubt the Polish option will go away. The Polish one would stop the government from funding those agitators, which is good, but not decisive in getting them to stop. The opportunity cost is too big imo.
Sells the heavy guns to Italy. Roll determines payment. Payment floored at 5 Budget one time, and the rest of it in food or in Italian assets.
 
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If the deal only gave us 5 budget, then sure. But it gives us more than that: removes one of our treaty violations, and gives us potentially desperately needed food and goods, since we'll base reparations this turn so heavily on raw materials. We might not have the opportunity to take it next turn as well, while I doubt the Polish option will go away. The Polish one would stop the government from funding those agitators, which is good, but not decisive in getting them to stop. The opportunity cost is too big imo.
The Polish Option is very likely to go away, or get shifted into something else. The situation in Poland is gonna be resolved within the next 6 months quite decisively I believe.
 
If the deal only gave us 5 budget, then sure. But it gives us more than that: removes one of our treaty violations, and gives us potentially desperately needed food and goods, since we'll base reparations this turn so heavily on raw materials. We might not have the opportunity to take it next turn as well, while I doubt the Polish option will go away. The Polish one would stop the government from funding those agitators, which is good, but not decisive in getting them to stop. The opportunity cost is too big imo.
If we want to prevent the situation in the east from spiraling out of control, we need to take every preventative measure we can in that regard as soon as possible. Regardless of whether or not the Polish option goes away, I cannot in good conscience allow the Poles to continue supporting Polish rebels in the east for another five months with arms, arms, agitators, and more. I cannot emphasize enough the importance of cutting them off from more resources as quickly as possible if we want to get the situation in the east under control.
 
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