Who was the better QM?

  • Astra Myst

    Votes: 23 19.2%
  • SVS

    Votes: 97 80.8%

  • Total voters
    120
Enetious, my dude, infodump sometimes. I had to seriously trim what Archer told Homura down to the barest of bones that he could logically explain to her without her getting suspicious, and it still took half the post to get across. I don't have the time right now, but I could very easily write another post from Archer's perspective that's just him figuring out what and how he can tell Homura the most relevant and important information that he can, without spilling the beans about where he's getting all this from.

I'm not even upset, I just think that sometimes you overshoot and don't realize how much it takes for me to properly convey something to the desired level of detail.
 
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Astra Myst, my dude. The threadmarks are fine until we get to 16-5. Then it goes back to 16-4.

That second 16-4 needs to be 16-6, and the others after that need to also be corrected. Also there's a 16-10 and 16-11 up and waiting.
 
[X] "I need for you and Kure Kirika to be on the same page as everyone else if you're really going to work with us."
-[X] That their Puella Magi abilities are very fallible (particularly Oriko's) along with being in control of two unstable Servants (which can always just kill their own Masters). They can't just operate alone and make murderhobo-y decisions due to their over-reliance on Oriko's not-at-all-perfect precognition. Homura also needs to know if they can even work together as a group without someone from Oriko's group actively showing murderous intent towards people from Homura's.
[X] "I can talk to Tomoe-san and Sakura Kyouko about setting up team-building exercises for the five of us on Sunday."
-[X] No. Just no. Akemi (the lone wolf) Homura is not going to be the one to set up team-building exercises. Consult Mami on the matter instead at a later time. She did manage to wrangle Madoka and Sayaka into the life of a Puella Magi in all of those past timelines quite easily despite her interference, so she should have a decent idea of what they could all try as a group to build a semblance of teamwork.
[X] "I need to know what your goals are for any potential partnership between us, and whether that might cause conflict."
-[X] What sort of goals might cause conflict for you?
--[X] The planned murder of any of Homura's allies. The planned murder of more Puella Magi if they feel they need more Soul Gems. Anything murderhobo-y, particularly if they plan on doing something of the sort after Walpurgisnaught is dealt with.

First of all, they need to realize that Oriko's precog is incredibly fallible, even in the original series, without relying on it to do literally everything in their lives and immediately (without any reluctance) go full on murderhobo despite being a teenage girl. Secondly, even if we were to come up with a great team-building exercise here in this vote, I wouldn't trust Homura to accurately convey it in-character. She really isn't experienced enough for that, and Mami who is an experienced Puella Magi veteran, who's trained many-a-girl in the ways of teamwork should really be consulted on this, especially as she seems to want to rehabilitate them as well.

Also @SVS sorry about the infodump. I was well aware that Archer would need to either cut it down or lie and say he's Psychic (which is an actual thing that can involve past, present, or future information in the Type-Moon-verse), but I felt that Archer at the very least should be aware of Assassin's capabilities. I am aware that such posts would take longer (and definitely appreciate the amount of time and effort you put into translating it into a high-quality post), though I usually expect them to be cut short for the ease of posting it sooner and the meta knowledge that "this character knows this thing now". Though I can say that I agree that an Archer perspective post would be amusing to see, though not ultimately necessary if you don't want to write 3-5k words for a single post.
 
[X] "I need for you and Kure Kirika to be on the same page as everyone else if you're really going to work with us."
-[X] That their Puella Magi abilities are very fallible (particularly Oriko's) along with being in control of two unstable Servants (which can always just kill their own Masters). They can't just operate alone and make murderhobo-y decisions due to their over-reliance on Oriko's not-at-all-perfect precognition. Homura also needs to know if they can even work together as a group without someone from Oriko's group actively showing murderous intent towards people from Homura's.
[X] "I can talk to Tomoe-san and Sakura Kyouko about setting up team-building exercises for the five of us on Sunday."
-[X] No. Just no. Akemi (the lone wolf) Homura is not going to be the one to set up team-building exercises. Consult Mami on the matter instead at a later time. She did manage to wrangle Madoka and Sayaka into the life of a Puella Magi in all of those past timelines quite easily despite her interference, so she should have a decent idea of what they could all try as a group to build a semblance of teamwork.
[X] "I need to know what your goals are for any potential partnership between us, and whether that might cause conflict."
-[X] What sort of goals might cause conflict for you?
--[X] The planned murder of any of Homura's allies. The planned murder of more Puella Magi if they feel they need more Soul Gems. Anything murderhobo-y, particularly if they plan on doing something of the sort after Walpurgisnaught is dealt with.
 
[X] "I need for you and Kure Kirika to be on the same page as everyone else if you're really going to work with us."
-[X] That their Puella Magi abilities are very fallible (particularly Oriko's) along with being in control of two unstable Servants (which can always just kill their own Masters). They can't just operate alone and make murderhobo-y decisions due to their over-reliance on Oriko's not-at-all-perfect precognition. Homura also needs to know if they can even work together as a group without someone from Oriko's group actively showing murderous intent towards people from Homura's.
[X] "I can talk to Tomoe-san and Sakura Kyouko about setting up team-building exercises for the five of us on Sunday."
-[X] No. Just no. Akemi (the lone wolf) Homura is not going to be the one to set up team-building exercises. Consult Mami on the matter instead at a later time. She did manage to wrangle Madoka and Sayaka into the life of a Puella Magi in all of those past timelines quite easily despite her interference, so she should have a decent idea of what they could all try as a group to build a semblance of teamwork.
[X] "I need to know what your goals are for any potential partnership between us, and whether that might cause conflict."
-[X] What sort of goals might cause conflict for you?
--[X] The planned murder of any of Homura's allies. The planned murder of more Puella Magi if they feel they need more Soul Gems. Anything murderhobo-y, particularly if they plan on doing something of the sort after Walpurgisnaught is dealt with.
 
Astra Myst, my dude. The threadmarks are fine until we get to 16-5. Then it goes back to 16-4.

That second 16-4 needs to be 16-6, and the others after that need to also be corrected. Also there's a 16-10 and 16-11 up and waiting.
It's done, sorry. Damn, it was a pain in the ass...
Here, have a Gil on his wedding day
 
REJOICE. YAAAAAAAYYYY
Also, gimme clues for the other 7 servants. I need something to do this holiday

Well, obviously I want to keep their identities a secret, just in case people do decide they want to hit the switch for the Apocrypha. Not that I'm saying they should, because I'm having a hard enough time as it is properly utilizing the cast when there's only eight humans and six servants, to say nothing about throwing another seven and seven into the mix.

Berserker is Florence Nightingale. If you can figure out who her master is, which should probably be easy because there aren't that many megucs left for me to use, you can probably figure out the masters and servants that make up the other six and six by looking at personalities, physical characteristics, or design motifs and extrapolating who I might have assigned to who from there. That's the only sort of clue or hint that you'll get, because I'm not sure how many people might try to push for an Apocrypha based on the presence of a favoured servant.
 
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Well, obviously I want to keep their identities a secret, just in case people do decide they want to hit the switch for the Apocrypha. Not that I'm saying they should, because I'm having a hard enough time as it is properly utilizing the cast when there's only eight humans and six servants, to say nothing about throwing another seven and seven into the mix.

Berserker is Florence Nightingale. If you can figure out who her master is, which should probably be easy because there aren't that many megucs left for me to use, you can probably figure out the masters and servants that make up the other six and six by looking at personalities, physical characteristics, or design motifs and extrapolating who I might have assigned to who from there. That's the only sort of clue or hint that you'll get, because I'm not sure how many people might try to push for an Apocrypha based on the presence of a favoured servant.
...Sasa? Perhaps?
 
I personally want to avoid an Apocrypha as much as possible due to logistic reasons, though narratively if an Apocrypha were to occur I want it to happen in the most stunning, player-unintended way as possible, for maximum shock and awe. Something that'll make us think "... this wasn't supposed to happen from that!"
 
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Yuuki Sasa is dead. Every meguca from Mitakihara, Kazamino, and Shirome are dead except for our five masters, and you can count the MagiReco girls out as well because I'm not touching anything to do with MagiReco.

I personally want to avoid an Apocrypha as much as possible due to logistic reasons, though narratively if an Apocrypha were to occur I want it to happen in the most stunning, player-unintended way as possible, for maximum shock and awe. Something that'll make us think "... this wasn't supposed to happen from that!"

Hey, I'm in agreement with you. Fate/A Potted Plant suffered tremendously because of Sieg it tried to cram too many characters into too short a span of time, and didn't have the time to develop them all as best as they could have. As much as I love it for introducing me to Best Girl, I'm not too keen on repeating its mistakes. However, assuming that we get one of a few certain endings and there's enough positive reception from players, it's an idea I may decide to use for a sequel quest. Because we all know that just because Walpurgisnacht is defeated, that doesn't mean that Madoka is safe from Kyubey's machinations.



But you guys can still try to figure out who the enemy servants would be if you want to. There's no harm in that.
 
@SVS So I'm guessing that Puella Magi in Asunaro City was untouched, despite how close it is speculated to be to both Mitakihara and Kazamino? If that is the case, then perhaps the Pleiades Saints may be Masters for a theoretical Apocrypha.
 
@SVS So I'm guessing that Puella Magi in Asunaro City was untouched, despite how close it is speculated to be to both Mitakihara and Kazamino? If that is the case, then perhaps the Pleiades Saints may be Masters for a theoretical Apocrypha.

Well, there are seven of them, but therein lies the rub. Which Saint is the master of which servant?
 
It's not too late to get in on this action right?

I'm still trying to read through everything but I'd like to be one of the color coded ALAYA's if that's alright.
 
It's not too late to get in on this action right?

I'm still trying to read through everything but I'd like to be one of the color coded ALAYA's if that's alright.

We're only 16 days into a 45-day affair. There's plenty of time to get in on the action. Though you needn't feel like you have to limit yourself to only being one of Archer's Alaya-men. Most of the action happens in the regular vote, as it is, so you'd be doing yourself a disservice by restricting yourself to just being one of the infodumpers.
 
In that case I'll just piggyback what everyone else has said so I can leave space for ALAYA'ing: (Deep, Nervous, breath)

[x] It could be that we're just crosswired to the point of being paranoid, but keep an eye out for third party elements such as The Mage's Association and Church. Last thing we need is to be blindsided by them before or after mission acomplishment. Kyubi/anomaly suppression is priority but we also want the victims to have some chance at happiness, most especially Homuru and Madoka.

Also, If they're present try to identify friendlies for magical girl survival but only approach them as a last resort /when extremely advantageous.


P.S. I'm trying to cover our P's and Q's, not touch off an Apocrypha scenario so pleasend go easy.

(Edited for color, removed part about Caren, sorry)
 
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I'm trying to cover our P's and Q's, not touch off an Apocrypha scenario so please go easy.

Alright, I'll try to go easy on you. But that blue has got to go. Try a less intense shade of blue, or perhaps one of the greens, but that blue comes off utterly blinding on my monitor.

Second, while you've got a good start, Archer doesn't know that Caren is anywhere near what we're doing. Generally, I'd prefer that we refrain from telling Archer about people or things that he doesn't know are part of the world yet. But it's fine, you'll learn the ropes soon enough.
 
Ah, @itrytofight, *looks around for an errant Bunnycat* ... "Welcome to Mr.KotomineKyubey's Wild Ride", only with less Astra Myst and more SVS!
*This message is not sponsored by Astra Myst*​


Also nearly forgot about Caren being a nurse in Mitakihara and all, and also the fact that this is a post-Hollow Ataraxia timeline. That 'ought to be a surprise for Archer if he finds out about it.
 
Day 16 Chapter 12
[x] The vote



"Right. And, what was it you were trying to say to me before Archer called you away to tell you all of this?"

Before Archer had interrupted you, you had tried to imagine a scenario in which Mikuni Oriko and Kure Kirika could be your allies instead of your enemies. What did it take for you to reach this position? What have they compromised to achieve this? What have you compromised to achieve this? You cannot approach the possibility of an alliance without these questions having an answer. "First, I need you and everyone in your block to be on the same page as everyone in mine. You have put yourself in a precarious position thanks to your over-reliance on your clearly fallible precognition and your use of unstable servants."

"But, I don't have anything else, Akemi-san. I didn't see that any of this would happen. If I did, I would have-" You have to cut Mikuni Oriko off.

"That's precisely my point. You acted without thinking, because you put more faith in your precognition that it deserved. I have been using my magic for far longer than you have, Mikuni Oriko, and I have come to realize one very important truth about it. Magic is a tool, not a solution. Tomoe-san's servant Caster also possesses precognitive magic, and yet he does not treat it as the be-all-end-all that you do. Caster treats it as a tool, by which he can observe and gain knowledge of the future, but I have only ever seen him use his magic to offer advice. If we are to work together in the future, I first need you to understand that you will no longer be able to go off on your own and harm innocents on nothing more than a few visions in your head. Your precognition may a powerful tool, but-"

"-But when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail..."

"Precisely. You lack the knowledge, experience, and intuition you need in order to get the most out of your tool."

"How can I get better?"

How can I get better... That is not a question which you have the ability to answer. Tomoe-san, certainly, and Archer as well. You have learned much from each of them in turn, and you know that others have as well. "I'll speak with Tomoe-san, and see if she would be willing to arrange some training and team-building exercises. With any luck we might be able to shoot for Sunday, but I can make no guarantees."

"Which leads me to my next point of contention- Lancer and Berserker. They both strike me as exceptionally powerful servants, and I believe that for your original purpose you could not have done better, but they are both incredibly unstable. I cannot have Lancer trying to kill Caster at every opportunity, nor can I risk allowing Berserker to be sent into combat alongside anyone, until you can show to me that your grip on their reins is much tighter than it is currently."

Mikuni Oriko nods. "I will see if there is anything I can do for Lancer to help lessen her intentions towards Caster. But I cannot speak for Berserker. Even Kirika has... I think she doesn't want to worry me, but I can tell that there are days when it takes everything from her just to keep him under control."

You know that the two situations are nowhere near the same, but still you wish that you could trade Kure Kirika for the girl that Archer described to you that night at Tomoe-san's apartment. A powerful mage with complete and utter dominance over her servant, under the class that Archer claims is renowned for being the hardest to control; how useful would that be?

"Finally, while your attempt at offering an olive branch is... Acceptable, I need to know what your goals are for any potential partnership between us, and whether that might cause conflict."

"I still want to save the world, Akemi-san. My defeat was staggering, but I have not lost sight of my goal" And there it is. That fire in her eyes, that passion in her voice. The old Mikuni Oriko is back. "That has not changed; only the method by which I am attempting to achieve it has. Even if I may not believe that your way will be any more successful than my own, I... If I can do something good with my life, that will be enough."

"Then maybe you can tell the class why you thought it was "good" to resort to mass murder as your first option." In a shower of golden specks of light, Archer is sitting beside you at the table, his arms crossed over his dark red silk shirt. Mikuni Oriko looks down at her empty plate, trying to avoid eye contact with your servant as he speaks to her. "Because from where I'm sitting, that sounds like the exact opposite of "good"."

You turn your head towards your servant, staring, unimpressed with his performance. "Archer, what are you doing? I know neither of us like the idea of accepting Mikuni Oriko as an ally, but we don't exactly have an abundance of options right now so I would appreciate it if you could refrain from being antagonistic."

"Was I being antagonistic? I'm sorry, I just thought it would be a good idea to ask our little friend here why, if she's so taken with the idea of playing hero, she decided to make it her second choice behind, I don't know, mass murder?"


Mikuni Oriko looks back up, turning her gaze towards you. "You can't hide the truth from me, Akemi-san. I know Archer's question has you curious as well."

"I saw a world turned to ash by Walpurgisnacht, only for Kaname Madoka to offer up her soul to the Incubator for the power to save everyone. And she did, Akemi-san... But the witch born from her desire was an even worse monster than the one that had come before. Driven mad by her wish for salvation, it would envelop the planet in its labyrinth, stripping away everything that makes us human in its quest to create heaven on earth. I was terrified, and my fears drove me to commit the unthinkable."

"So I took to slaughter, killing any fledgling puella magi that my precognitions would show me, hoping to keep the Incubator too busy to go after Kaname Madoka... To send the message that any new contracts he formed would be swiftly terminated. I used their souls as fuel for my servant, hoping that with enough of them, she would have the power to overcome Walpurgisnacht. Then, all I had to do was wait for the right moment, and... Kaname Madoka would be no more, and the world would be saved."

Mikuni Oriko's eyes go dark, and she hangs her head low, cradling it in her arms as tears form at the corners of her eyes. "I... I was willing to accept all the world's evils, if it meant that in doing so it would be saved. But in the end, I was no better than the witch I was trying to prevent. I killed for the sake of salvation, little realizing that I was committing the very act which had scared me into action. I convinced my dearest to tarnish her soul for the sake of my own selfish fears, and now she's lying in bed suffering because of what I asked her to become."

Archer stares at Mikuni Oriko for what feels like an uncomfortably long time, finally breaking his silence to say "If you actually knew what you meant when you say "All the World's Evils", then you would not be so quick to accept it."

[ ] Wat do?
 
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[X] (Archer) Explain the concept of Alaya, the Counter Force, and Counter Guardians, and press that if she hadn't seen anything of the sort in her visions, its likely that she cannot get a read on such forces' effects on the future. Also mention other lingering threats such as Type Mercury (ORT), Gaea's Primate Murder, the Clocktower's Wizard Marshal, or any of the Dead Apostle Ancestors that wouldn't take too kindly to such events occurring. It's likely that her brand of precognition is more like that of a very advanced simulation that is unable to parse certain things like the Counter Force for instance.
[X] (Homura) Suggest using a Command Seal to prevent Lancer from seeing any similarities Caster has to Sigurd. Ask Archer if Command Seals can have permanent lingering effects, and if Kirika can use a couple to lessen Berserker's impact on her health in trying to keep him under control.
-[X] Make sure that Oriko promises to not go killing again without consulting at least her or Mami. Ask if there's any particular time frame that Oriko and Kirika could participate in a team building exercise after today, so she knows when to make plans with Mami. Tell her that she will telepathically inform her of when its scheduled once she speaks with Mami.

If I recall correctly, using a Command Seal for a long-term thing like lessening Berserker's vies for control would work, albeit at a much lesser effect than a normal use of a Command Seal. This shouldn't be a problem as they have plenty at this point. The impact it would have on Brynhildr should work as well, as its more of a simple mental nudge away from an association, though I can't be certain. At this point, I'm seeing Oriko's precog as being more akin to Contessa's Path to Victory, that being a highly complex simulation of events utilizing whatever information the power knows of to predict highly accurate events. Also not sure what else they should discuss at the moment, unless someone else has a suggestion to add to the vote.

EDIT: Added to the vote
 
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Also not sure what else they should discuss at the moment, unless someone else has a suggestion to add to the vote.

Wat do? can also cover whether we find Oriko's answers to be acceptable given our previous criteria, or whether we're still taking issue to something, or something else along those lines. I'll allow for some degree of "maybe it's okay to feel this way instead of that" about certain things as they come up.
 
[X] (Archer) Explain the concept of Alaya, the Counter Force, and Counter Guardians, and press that if she hadn't seen anything of the sort in her visions, its likely that she cannot get a read on such forces' effects on the future. Also mention other lingering threats such as Type Mercury (ORT), Gaea's Primate Murder, the Clocktower's Wizard Marshal, or any of the Dead Apostle Ancestors that wouldn't take too kindly to such events occurring. It's likely that her brand of precognition is more like that of a very advanced simulation that is unable to parse certain things like the Counter Force for instance.
[X] (Homura) Suggest using a Command Seal to prevent Lancer from seeing any similarities Caster has to Sigurd. Ask Archer if Command Seals can have permanent lingering effects, and if Kirika can use a couple to lessen Berserker's impact on her health in trying to keep him under control.
-[X] Make sure that Oriko promises to not go killing again without consulting at least her or Mami. Ask if there's any particular time frame that Oriko and Kirika could participate in a team building exercise after today, so she knows when to make plans with Mami. Tell her that she will telepathically inform her of when its scheduled once she speaks with Mami.
 
[X] (Archer) Explain the concept of Alaya, the Counter Force, and Counter Guardians, and press that if she hadn't seen anything of the sort in her visions, its likely that she cannot get a read on such forces' effects on the future. Also mention other lingering threats such as Type Mercury (ORT), Gaea's Primate Murder, the Clocktower's Wizard Marshal, or any of the Dead Apostle Ancestors that wouldn't take too kindly to such events occurring. It's likely that her brand of precognition is more like that of a very advanced simulation that is unable to parse certain things like the Counter Force for instance.
[X] (Homura) Suggest using a Command Seal to prevent Lancer from seeing any similarities Caster has to Sigurd. Ask Archer if Command Seals can have permanent lingering effects, and if Kirika can use a couple to lessen Berserker's impact on her health in trying to keep him under control.
-[X] Make sure that Oriko promises to not go killing again without consulting at least her or Mami. Ask if there's any particular time frame that Oriko and Kirika could participate in a team building exercise after today, so she knows when to make plans with Mami. Tell her that she will telepathically inform her of when its scheduled once she speaks with Mami.

I was getting Kirigitsu/Angry Mango vibes from her but its fading fast. Best we nip this in the bud now before it comes back to haunt us, also for Oriko's sake too.
 
Day 16 Chapter 13
[x] The vote



"If you actually knew what you meant when you say "All the World's Evils", then you would not be so quick to accept it."

As Archer speaks, you can hear words as they float on the wind, working their way into your thoughts like a maggot burrowing through rotted flesh. Angra Mainyu... A sharp chill runs down your spine as these words you have never heard turns the blood in your veins to ice.

You and Mikuni Oriko both turn your attention towards Archer. You're no stranger to his cryptic words, but thanks to the ill premonition you received only moments ago this one perhaps stands in a league of its own. "I'm afraid I don't understand, Archer," Mikuni Oriko speaks up, daring to ask your servant the question you can tell is one better left unanswered. "What do you mean by that?"

"What I'm saying, Mikuni, is that there are things in this world far beyond your comprehension. You think that a witch trying to create heaven on earth is scary? Then allow me to enlighten you about just how little you really know of the World." Archer pulls his chair up just a little bit closer to the table, resting an elbow on it. "See, the World is a living, breathing organism just like you. And, just like you, the World is driven to survive, no matter what. But sometimes, things get in the way of that. Fortunately, the World has a... Well, you can think of it as the World's immune system, almost. So, if you compare this paradise-obsessed witch you're so scared of to a virus, then the World has white blood cells meant to counteract that virus. These white blood cells are sent to an area afflicted with whatever threat to its existence the World has identified, and they kill. And kill, and kill, and kill, until there's nothing left."

"You saw none of this, I presume?" Mikuni Oriko shakes her head, her hollow eyes matching the lethargy of her swaying neck. "I thought as much. If you had, you would have run from this city screaming for mercy. The World would never allow something like what you describe to occur. The second the World thought it was in danger of ceasing to exist as it does, that witch and anyone even remotely involved would have been wiped off the map."

"Is that... Is that what you meant by "All the World's Evils"?"

Archer scoffs. "As if. No, that's something completely different entirely. There's a whole bunch of things out there that your precognitions will likely never show to you, simply because you lack the knowledge base to even conceptualize their existence."

Does she even dare to ask? "What... What sort of things?" Yes, clearly she does.

"Oh, nothing too out of the ordinary. Monsters of calamity that make even the strongest of witches look like clowns at a child's birthday party, men who can break the laws of physics over their knee like a twig, magic that can cross dimensions, recreate miracles from the gods, warp the foundations of reality, things like that. You know, nothing special, really."

As a rule, you had never thought of yourself as someone that was all that important. You had no need to, when next to your fading candlelight Madoka was a brightly-burning star. But it seems that you are an even smaller part of an even larger world than you had ever thought to consider. And yet, Archer speaks of all this with such a blase attitude, as though it really is just nothing out of the ordinary for him.

You still have no idea who your servant is.

You clear your throat, saying "Yes, well, thank you for that, Archer. Unfortunately, that's all the time we have to devote to scaring Mikuni Oriko. So if we could all get back to business, that would be great."

Archer leans back in his chair,, staring off into the nothingness of the wall behind Mikuni Oriko with a look of smug satisfaction on his face. "Anyway," you turn to address Mikuni Oriko "You said that you might try to help Lancer through whatever problem she has with Caster, yes? Perhaps if nothing else works, you might want to try using a Command Seal on her. Forcibly dispel within her the notion that Caster is Sigurd." You glance over to Archer, looking for affirmation that your suggestion is a valid one. His nod is subtle, but it's enough to confirm your suggestion.

"And what about Berserker?" Mikuni Oriko asks, taking to your suggestion faster than you had anticipated. "Could Kirika perhaps use a Command Seal on Berserker to lessen the pain that controlling him causes her?"

Once again, you look to Archer, prodding him for an answer with your thoughts. But Archer shrugs. "That would depend on a number of things, really. The kind of pain that controlling Berserker inflicts on Kure, as well as how specific she can get with her commands. Since you're such a frequent user of them, I'm sure you're aware by now that their power wanes the vaguer your command is. If all she can tell him is "stop hurting me" I doubt it's going to help, but if she can get a bit more specific with her instructions, then there's a chance."

Mikuni Oriko smiles. "... Any chance is better than none, if it means my dearest can be free from pain. Thank you, truly, from the bottom of my heart."

You are fairly certain that Kure Kirika would see things differently if she knew who her lover was thanking. "One last thing, though by now it should be fairly obvious. If you're really going to try to work with me, then I need you to promise that you won't go out and start killing again."

"I promise."

Her words are sincere; her delivery, strong and unwavering. "Very well; I'll hold you to your promise, then." You stand, offering your newest tentative ally the shallowest bow you can muster. "I thank you for your time and your cooperation, Mikuni Oriko. I'll speak with Tomoe-san tomorrow, and if you have a preferred time, I can get back to you about whether she'll be willing to set up some team-building exercises for us."

"Well, Kirika hasn't left the house since... I'm usually home taking care of her, so really any time that's convenient for you and Tomoe-san will work." Mikuni Oriko's hand reaches into her pocket, pulling out her phone. "Do you need my number? Or did Tomoe-san give it to you already?"

Mikuni Oriko's response catches you off-guard. You blink, trying to dispel the shock from your system. "Number? No, I'm going to message you telepathically. Did you forget that we are puella magi?"

"No, actually, I... I didn't know that was something we could do. Lancer told me that masters and servants share a connection like that, but Kirika and I have always used our phones to communicate, so I just assumed-"

"Here, see? Like this."

Mikuni Oriko stares at you, her eyes widening like a child's as they discover something new and wonderful for the first time. "Well, this is... Rather convenient. I think I would still prefer the phone at times, but... Thank you, Akemi-san."

[ ] Ask for Mikuni Oriko's number anyway
[ ] Ask Tomoe-san for Mikuni Oriko's number
[ ] Don't bother getting Mikuni Oriko's number

Regardless of your answer, do you
[ ] Have anything else you want to say to Mikuni Oriko?
-[ ] Yes (write-in what you want to say)
-[ ] No
[ ] Leave the cafe
-[ ] but get something to go before you leave
-[ ] and head home without getting anything
-[ ] and head out to hunt a witch
--[ ] Invite Mikuni Oriko to join you in your hunt
--[ ] Where do you hunt (write-in where you hunt)
[ ] Other (write-in)
?
 
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