Chronicles of History - Civ Quest
- Thread starter Oshha
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
[X] [Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
[X] [SEC] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains)
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = (Oldlander)
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = (Stormfolk)
[X] [SEC] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains)
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = (Oldlander)
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = (Stormfolk)
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- Location
- Illinois
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
[X] [Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
Humility is good, but considering how much contact we're going to have with other cultures, having respect towards other cultures we meet is more important.
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
[X] [Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
Humility is good, but considering how much contact we're going to have with other cultures, having respect towards other cultures we meet is more important.
- Location
- Toronto, Canada
[X] [Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
Edit: Exploring is nice. Especially when you get kicked off the continent (for the second time).
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
Edit: Exploring is nice. Especially when you get kicked off the continent (for the second time).
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I don't think we need to use this event to gain respect for foreign cultures as we are already interacting with the Forest Priests and Sunset Clans very well and as a trade republic we will naturally gain such tolerance and acceptance of other cultures through simple nessesity as we interact with them. I imagine once we meet and peacefully interact with enough cultures we will gain a value for it.
Humility however is something we desperatly need now as our people are very aggressive in everything they do. We were ready to go to war with the Sunset Clans simply because they cutoff trade and contact with us without even finding out why they did so first. Our civ seriously needs to learn some patience.
- Location
- Somewhere
[X] [Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
[X] [SEC] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains)
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = (Oldlander)
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = (Stormfolk)
Humility doesn't seem to tie into the idea that the civ would stop being aggressive. Just that they stop assuming the civ is lesser than themself.
Respect should give the "don't fight a person for no reason beyond you can, respect another groups beliefs and abilities."
[X] [SEC] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains)
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = (Oldlander)
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = (Stormfolk)
Are you not defining respect?
Humility doesn't seem to tie into the idea that the civ would stop being aggressive. Just that they stop assuming the civ is lesser than themself.
Respect should give the "don't fight a person for no reason beyond you can, respect another groups beliefs and abilities."
Shouldn't we take a build boats action before we explore the water, or is it better to explore the water first with bad boats?
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- Location
- USA
[X] [Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
- Location
- Illinois
There's a difference between respecting a foreign culture, and tolerating it to get goods that you want.
Respecting foreign ideas means that we would potentially adopt some of their ideas, inventions or strategies without having to be inherently interested.
It means that if we encounter a civ with values that seem odd to our own, we won't dismiss them out of hand, but instead recognize that they are different, and should attempt to understand the value before judging it.
Respect is foundational for diplomacy. To engage in any form of dialogue, you need to respect the other party.
Which, come to think of it, makes me want to change my vote.
[X] [SEC] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains)
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = (Oldlander)
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = (Stormfolk)
[X] [MAIN] Diplomatic Expedition = (Coalition)
Let's reinforce that lesson. We just learned to respect our enemies, so let's talk with that lesson actually learned, rather than just ignore it. With thesr actions, we will hopefully be guided towards a better value, one where we try to talk to people, and show respect to other civs.
Cause keep in mind, the actions we take will effect how we learn this lesson.
Edit: not sure if we can target the coalition, so just in case, made two secondaries to hit both groups as well.
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[X] [Lesson] Humility. Their defeats at the ends of the hands of Elsa and the Oldlander tribes had taught humility to the Nersondur Republics and to not let pride blind you.
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
Finish all trails on the Island.
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
Finish all trails on the Island.
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
- Location
- Toronto, Canada
There's always a risk for explorations and expeditions to go wrong. I'm gambling on the chance that there's some islands just beyond the horizon or within two horizons away from us. The Polynesians did some amazing navigational feats after all (I wonder is there's an astronomy tech somewhere).
But anyways, a build boats action will be done by the province actions. Since we are an island nation with a focus on trade, I'd be surprised if it didn't especially since they've been doing it since province actions were a thing in this quest. If the exploration fails due to insufficient boats, then we at least know we need better boats to further explore that area.
- Location
- Somewhere
We have had a build boats action before, but our current boat tech is lackluster.
- Location
- Where I an right now
[X] [Lesson] Humility. Their defeats at the ends of the hands of Elsa and the Oldlander tribes had taught humility to the Nersondur Republics and to not let pride blind you.
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
Finish all trails on the Island.
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
Finish all trails on the Island.
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
Inferno23
Proton Blast!
- Location
- Texas
[X] [Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
[X] [Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
- Location
- United States
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
[X] [Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
[X] [Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
Lab_Accident
A 2D 1D4
- Location
- Your dreams
Also, means we pick up their cultural values easier, which is apparently already a problem since we are a decentralized civ. Not saying we definitely shouldn't take Respect because of that, was my second option behind Pride, but consider carefully the consequences.
Picking up lots of values automatically is good, but also means the civ might evolve in unpredictable ways we can't control.
- Location
- Leicester UK
[X] [Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
- Location
- Staring into the void
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
[X] [Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
[X] [Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
While both would help with the aggressiveness of the Nersondur Republics, neither solves it. Humility makes your people more humble and cautious when it comes to picking fights while respect only gives the second part of what you say it should.
That is due to being dependence on stone tools as it isn't cost-effective to make non-canoe boats. If you want to get things like galleys or longboats, you need to get better tools such as metal.
Less of a problem then it initially was. You got a strong culture and are unlikely to get foreign cultural values beyond natural culture drift.
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
[X] [Lesson] Pride. The Nersondur Republics are the greatest people in the world, but they have been lain low by defeat. They need to avenge this insult to their pride and glory and put the Oldlanders in their place.
[X] [SEC] More Hunting
[X] [SEC] Raiding Party = Oldlanders
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
[X] [SEC] Study Magic
[X] [SEC] Study Nature
I cannot believe you people! Respecting barbarians and their beliefs? Giving up our land to them? Bah. We're the greatest people on earth and we should not simply take this insult! Make the barbarians pay for their arrogance!
[X] [SEC] More Hunting
[X] [SEC] Raiding Party = Oldlanders
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
[X] [SEC] Study Magic
[X] [SEC] Study Nature
I cannot believe you people! Respecting barbarians and their beliefs? Giving up our land to them? Bah. We're the greatest people on earth and we should not simply take this insult! Make the barbarians pay for their arrogance!
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- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
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Vote Tally : Chronicles of History - Civ Quest - Original | Page 26 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 650-671]
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Task: Lesson
[X][Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
No. of Votes: 11
[X][Lesson] Humility. Their defeats at the ends of the hands of Elsa and the Oldlander tribes had taught humility to the Nersondur Republics and to not let pride blind you.
No. of Votes: 3
[X][Lesson] Pride. The Nersondur Republics are the greatest people in the world, but they have been lain low by defeat. They need to avenge this insult to their pride and glory and put the Oldlanders in their place.
No. of Votes: 1
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[X][MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
No. of Votes: 10
[X][MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains
No. of Votes: 2
[X][MAIN] Diplomatic Expedition = (Coalition)
No. of Votes: 1
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[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
No. of Votes: 12
[X][SEC] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains)
No. of Votes: 3
[X][SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = (Oldlander)
No. of Votes: 3
[X][SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = (Stormfolk)
No. of Votes: 3
[X][SEC] More Hunting
No. of Votes: 1
[X][SEC] Raiding Party = Oldlanders
No. of Votes: 1
[X][SEC] Study Magic
No. of Votes: 1
[X][SEC] Study Nature
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 16
Vote Tally : Chronicles of History - Civ Quest - Original | Page 26 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 650-671]
##### NetTally 1.9.7
Task: Lesson
[X][Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
No. of Votes: 11
No. of Votes: 3
[X][Lesson] Pride. The Nersondur Republics are the greatest people in the world, but they have been lain low by defeat. They need to avenge this insult to their pride and glory and put the Oldlanders in their place.
No. of Votes: 1
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: MAIN
[X][MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
No. of Votes: 10
No. of Votes: 2
[X][MAIN] Diplomatic Expedition = (Coalition)
No. of Votes: 1
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: SEC
[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Ocean)
No. of Votes: 12
No. of Votes: 3
[X][SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = (Oldlander)
No. of Votes: 3
[X][SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = (Stormfolk)
No. of Votes: 3
[X][SEC] More Hunting
No. of Votes: 1
[X][SEC] Raiding Party = Oldlanders
No. of Votes: 1
[X][SEC] Study Magic
No. of Votes: 1
[X][SEC] Study Nature
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 16
- Location
- Minnesota
[X] [Lesson] Respect. Their defeats only came about from not respecting the Oldlanders and from that, the Nersondur Republics have learnt to respect the beliefs and strength of others.
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
[X] [MAIN] Create New Trails = (Western Newshore Plains (6/8)
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
Hmm, you guys do realize that simply abandoning our mainland holdings will likely lead to a loss of Stability and Legitimacy, if not bring us into an outright Crisis?