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[X] [Sunset] Both reopen trade and get their divine magic by providing the Sunset Clans with storm mage slaves. (-2 or -3 Temp Mystic, ???)

[X] [Storm] Accept peace with the Stormfolk and return the conquered settlements, but strip of them of valuables first. (Give up land, +1 Temp Econ, +1 Temp Mystic, +1 Temp Wealth, -1 Prestige, ???)
[X] [Storm] Accept peace with the Stormfolk, but keep all of conquered territory. (???)
[X] [Storm] Reject the peace and make a pre-emptive strike at the Oldlanders. (+1 Temp Martial, ???)
 
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[X] [Sunset] Both reopen trade and get their divine magic by providing the Sunset Clans with storm mage slaves. (-2 or -3 Temp Mystic, ???)
[X] [Storm] Accept peace with the Stormfolk, but keep all of conquered territory. (???)
 
Citino said:
This essentially allows us to play at being benevolent while also being firm. The Oldlanders have been shown to appreciate our strength and wealth. If we go for peace, but do it with a firm hand, not giving in to provocation or ignoring them, I think we might be able to get the Oldlanders to stop at this.

After all, they don't particularly care one way or another about the Stormfolk, and us declaring peace on our terms means that Elsa would be using the Oldlanders to pursue her own vendetta using the blood of the Oldlanders, all without an actual cause to rally the Oldlanders behind. We wouldn't be attacking after all, and backing off would be showing weakness, so as far as the Oldlanders would be concerned, we'd be pretty reasonable here.
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The Oldlanders aren't caring the Stormfolk settlements in this on their own merits, they care about this because their goddess is telling them to and that apparently means a lot to them. Furthermore, you are already not attacking them as you are focused on the Stormfolk with your raids so not attacking them isn't something that they particularly care about right now. Lastly, they are the ones offering you peace not the other way around. They are offering you a chance to avoid fighting them by giving them what they want in a peaceful manner. If you don't give them what, then the Oldlanders are willing to fight for what they want.

The Oldlanders might not see you as reasonable as you see yourselves being and I would be wary about making too many assumptions about how others view your civ or each other.
 
In that case

[X] [Storm] Reject the peace and continue to raid the Stormfolk for more mages to enslave. (+1 Temp Martial, ???)

War it is.
 
If we're going for war, wouldn't a preemptive strike at the Oldlanders be better than beating up the Stormfolk remnants?
 
[X] [Storm] Reject the peace and make a pre-emptive strike at the Oldlanders. (+1 Temp Martial, ???)

Ya know, why not? Might as well try to crush them on the field rather than wait for them to come to us.

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[X] [Storm] Accept peace with the Stormfolk and return the conquered settlements, but strip of them of valuables first. (Give up land, +1 Temp Econ, +1 Temp Mystic, +1 Temp Wealth, -1 Prestige, ???)
 
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Random Member said:
If we're going for war, wouldn't a preemptive strike at the Oldlanders be better than beating up the Stormfolk remnants?
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It would be unless you are confident enough in your ability to defeat the Oldlanders that you can afford to focus on looting more storm mages from the Stormfolk.
 
[X] [Sunset] Both reopen trade and get their divine magic by providing the Sunset Clans with storm mage slaves. (-2 or -3 Temp Mystic, ???)
[X][Storm] Accept peace with the Stormfolk, but keep all of conquered territory. (???)
[X] [Storm] Reject the peace and make a pre-emptive strike at the Oldlanders. (+1 Temp Martial, ???)
 
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[X] [Sunset] Both reopen trade and get their divine magic by providing the Sunset Clans with storm mage slaves. (-2 or -3 Temp Mystic, ???)
[X][Storm] Accept peace with the Stormfolk, but keep all of conquered territory. (???)
[X] [Storm] Accept peace with the Stormfolk and return the conquered settlements, but strip of them of valuables first. (Give up land, +1 Temp Econ, +1 Temp Mystic, +1 Temp Wealth, -1 Prestige, ???)

Need to consolidate gains anyway
 
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veekie said:
[X] [Sunset] Both reopen trade and get their divine magic by providing the Sunset Clans with storm mage slaves. (-2 or -3 Temp Mystic, ???)
[X][Storm] Accept peace with the Stormfolk, but keep all of conquered territory. (???)
[X] [Storm] Accept peace with the Stormfolk and return the conquered settlements, but strip of them of valuables first. (Give up land, +1 Temp Econ, +1 Temp Mystic, +1 Temp Wealth, -1 Prestige, ???)

Need to consolidate gains anyway
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Consolidate gains is what centralized polities say!!!
 
We can consolidate our gains after we have crushed our enemies beneath our bootheels, otherwise they will simply come back later on! We have the opportunity to win a glorious victory here!
 
Random Member said:
We can consolidate our gains after we have crushed our enemies beneath our bootheels, otherwise they will simply come back later on! We have the opportunity to win a glorious victory here!
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Doesn't work that way in an Oshha civ quest. You don't get the time to consolidate your gains before a disaster hits that you need to deal with. You must choose to consolidate or fight, every turn.
 
Marlin said:
Doesn't work that way in an Oshha civ quest. You don't get the time to consolidate your gains before a disaster hits that you need to deal with. You must choose to consolidate or fight, every turn.
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You are confusing how I do things with how AcademiaNut does things.
 
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[X] [Sunset] Both reopen trade and get their divine magic by providing the Sunset Clans with storm mage slaves. (-2 or -3 Temp Mystic, ???)
[X][Storm] Accept peace with the Stormfolk, but keep all of conquered territory. (???)
[X] [Storm] Accept peace with the Stormfolk and return the conquered settlements, but strip of them of valuables first. (Give up land, +1 Temp Econ, +1 Temp Mystic, +1 Temp Wealth, -1 Prestige, ???)
 
Cariyaga said:
You'd be best off changing your vote to include raiding the stormfolk, in that case.
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No no, the Stormfolk are already weak, we must launch a preemptive strike on the Oldlanders before they attack us. Then when both have been smashed to pieces, it's easy for us to keep picking at them.
 
Random Member said:
No no, the Stormfolk are already weak, we must launch a preemptive strike on the Oldlanders before they attack us. Then when both have been smashed to pieces, it's easy for us to keep picking at them.
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Must, sure, but given the choice between accepting peace (pah!) and not, wouldn't you rather not?
 
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Vote Tally : Chronicles of History - Civ Quest - Original | Page 24 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 583-615]
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Task: Sunset
[X][Sunset] Both reopen trade and get their divine magic by providing the Sunset Clans with storm mage slaves. (-2 or -3 Temp Mystic, ???)
No. of Votes: 15
Cariyaga
BlueFlamingWings
Chrestomanci
demonthese2211
Gino
Hallesworth49
Inferno23
Just Some Guy
Killer_Whale
LordEdric
nat_401
Random Member
UlseDovThur
veekie
wingstrike96
[X][Sunset] Accept the reopening of trade instead of getting access to their divine magic. (-1 Stability, ???)
No. of Votes: 1
Marlin
[X][Sunset] Take what you want with force as your hunters are far superior to their own defenders. (+1 Temp Martial, ???)
No. of Votes: 1
Lab_Accident
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Storm
[X][Storm] Accept peace with the Stormfolk, but keep all of conquered territory. (???)
No. of Votes: 8
Chrestomanci
BlueFlamingWings
Just Some Guy
Killer_Whale
Lab_Accident
Random Member
veekie
wingstrike96
[X][Storm] Reject the peace and continue to raid the Stormfolk for more mages to enslave. (+1 Temp Martial, ???)
No. of Votes: 6
Cariyaga
demonthese2211
Gino
Hallesworth49
Inferno23
LordEdric
[X][Storm] Accept peace with the Stormfolk and return the conquered settlements, but strip of them of valuables first. (Give up land, +1 Temp Econ, +1 Temp Mystic, +1 Temp Wealth, -1 Prestige, ???)
No. of Votes: 6
UlseDovThur
Citino
Marlin
Random Member
veekie
wingstrike96
[X][Storm] Reject the peace and make a pre-emptive strike at the Oldlanders. (+1 Temp Martial, ???)
No. of Votes: 4
Cariyaga
Citino
nat_401
Random Member
Total No. of Voters: 18
 
Why are we giving another civ trained mages when we could take their honey-making tech, and their magic, by force?
 
Random Member said:
The slave trade must continue!
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I'm going to be blunt and say you should focus on other markets other than the slave trade. I'm not going to shy away from showing it or having the player civ engage in the slave trade, but I'm not particularly interested in running a quest where the player civ is focused on the slave trade.
 
Oshha said:
I'm going to be blunt and say you should focus on other markets other than the slave trade. I'm not going to shy away from showing it or having the player civ engage in the slave trade, but I'm not particularly interested in running a quest where the player civ is focused on the slave trade.
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I don't want to focus on it, ether, but there's no reason to openly oppose it without a Value that focuses on that.

Also, having a School of Magic and a mageocracy is compelling to me.
 
[X] [Sunset] Both reopen trade and get their divine magic by providing the Sunset Clans with storm mage slaves. (-2 or -3 Temp Mystic, ???)
[X] [Storm] Reject the peace and continue to raid the Stormfolk for more mages to enslave. (+1 Temp Martial, ???)
 
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