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Triggerhappy said:
My assumption has been that while the galactic powers have technology way beyond anything Earth can devise, for instance I doubt Stark could have held off the Accuser's bombardment squadron even with his latest suit and the entire Iron Legion playing support, this is concentrated more at the high end while the non super powered mooks are on more equal footing with their earth counterparts. Still superior, but not untouchable.
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Marvel Universe seems like a place where investing in better offense is way more rational than investing in better defense.

The whole universe is sprinkled with a small number of ridiculously powerful, non-reproducible super-beings. Who are typically hyper-durable and also hyper-lethal.

Your rank-and-file soldiery, meanwhile, are the guys who may suddenly have to put up a fight against the Hulk showing up on a random planet, or Captain Marvel, or a wandering Asgardian, or whatever.

At which point, you have to say, well, you're not going to give everyone on your side good enough body armor to survive a hit from Angry Heimdall. We know, because Angry Heimdall went and started cutting up dark elf spaceships with a sword. If you can't armor the spaceship that well, you can't armor the guy driving the spaceship that well. But you CAN give your average soldier a good enough gun to hurt or possibly kill Angry Heimdall if they manage to land a shot. And that's the difference between being a useful military force and not.

So, your average space mook has Durability 20, and a weapon with Damage 80. Human guns only have Damage 25, but that's enough to mostly do the job for most opposition. Captain Marvel has Durability 100 and Damage A Billion, so there's really not a lot of incentive to hand out better armor when the only meaningful thing stopping you from wiping out the Earth with giant missiles anyhow is the fancy glowing woman.
 
Khaos said:
Most of the points she mentions are already in the trailer.
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The trailer was kind of designed to piss off the sort of people that were going to bitch about this movie.

And yeah, fuck'm cause they were gonna be pissed about this movie anyways. If anything Disney crunched the numbers and decided the internet hate brigade would either do nothing or maybe even slightly signal boost their advertisement campaign.

Phigment said:
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On the one hand, point. On the other hand, supers on the high level don't seem common enough to influence the build of entire intergalactic armies. On that scale, you'll either have the firepower to fight them or you won't and whether you prioritize defense or offense probably matter less.

It may just be more intrinsic that, in the Marvel Universe, offense is at an immense advantage. And so most human stuff is already sitting at 'good enough'.

Does make you wonder when we're going to get the first space capable helicarrier though. :V
 
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I have recently seen this movie myself, and I agree with the general consensus. It was good, I would rate it as better than Antman and the Wasp.

I do have some caveats though, most of the humour was more miss than hit for me, I also got a bit confused at the start because the military aircraft in the beginning looked a bit modern to my layman's eyes for the 1990s, though that was me being ignorant. I was kinda worried that movie was going to something really stupid chronologically, but no.

I also found the movie to be a bit disjointed/poorly paced in some areas.

Still the humour, characters, story and action balance out of the negatives quite nicely and then go quite a bit further.
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Witnessing the last few scenes was an extreme thrill I have to say, Captain Marvel has the best aesthetic of any Marvel character so far, she is wreathed in power.

I would also like to congratulate the movie on making me laugh out loud in the theatre, I can see why 'Nicholas' didn't talk about that particular detail with the Avengers!
 
Triggerhappy said:
On the one hand, point. On the other hand, supers on the high level don't seem common enough to influence the build of entire intergalactic armies. On that scale, you'll either have the firepower to fight them or you won't and whether you prioritize defense or offense probably matter less.
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The Kree space army featured, at the beginning of the movie, both Ronan the Accuser, notable for using an Infinity Stone as a bludgeoning weapon later in life, and brainwashed Carol Danvers, super-power-lottery-winner.

Thanos is tooling around with at least a good half-dozen super-powered subordinates.

The Guardians of the Galaxy have Gamora AND Drax AND Groot.

There's an entire junkyard planet whose entertainment industry revolves around pit-fighting between random people in the general weight class of Thor and The Incredible Hulk that they just find hanging around to conscript.

I'm just saying, super-powered beings may not be something you run into every day, but any decently-large space empire is going to be dealing with them regularly.
 
Phigment said:
There's an entire junkyard planet whose entertainment industry revolves around pit-fighting between random people in the general weight class of Thor and The Incredible Hulk that they just find hanging around to conscript.
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Given that Hulk was the reigning champion due to killing everyone who got thrown at him I actually doubt that many contenders were remotely in his weight class. :p
 
There is something that I am wondering about:

So there where two magic blue cubes all along? The Nazi one and the one in the cat. I feel like that screws up some of the logic of the previous movies, didn't they depend on the uniqueness of the Nazi cube?
 
Septentrion said:
There is something that I am wondering about:

So there where two magic blue cubes all along? The Nazi one and the one in the cat. I feel like that screws up some of the logic of the previous movies, didn't they depend on the uniqueness of the Nazi cube?
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Nope, same cube. It just changed hands and/or tentacles a bunch.
 
Septentrion said:
There is something that I am wondering about:

So there where two magic blue cubes all along? The Nazi one and the one in the cat. I feel like that screws up some of the logic of the previous movies, didn't they depend on the uniqueness of the Nazi cube?
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It's the same cube.

Ancient history, is was sealed in a tomb or something until Red Skull found it in WW2. Then the USA recovered it and had possession for a while. At some point, Mar-Vell managed to get it with Project Pegasus to do her thing, and put it in orbit. Then Goose swallowed it. Some time between the end of Captain Marvel and Avengers 1, SHIELD got it back out of Goose.
 
Phigment said:
Marvel Universe seems like a place where investing in better offense is way more rational than investing in better defense.

The whole universe is sprinkled with a small number of ridiculously powerful, non-reproducible super-beings. Who are typically hyper-durable and also hyper-lethal.

Your rank-and-file soldiery, meanwhile, are the guys who may suddenly have to put up a fight against the Hulk showing up on a random planet, or Captain Marvel, or a wandering Asgardian, or whatever.

At which point, you have to say, well, you're not going to give everyone on your side good enough body armor to survive a hit from Angry Heimdall. We know, because Angry Heimdall went and started cutting up dark elf spaceships with a sword. If you can't armor the spaceship that well, you can't armor the guy driving the spaceship that well. But you CAN give your average soldier a good enough gun to hurt or possibly kill Angry Heimdall if they manage to land a shot. And that's the difference between being a useful military force and not.

So, your average space mook has Durability 20, and a weapon with Damage 80. Human guns only have Damage 25, but that's enough to mostly do the job for most opposition. Captain Marvel has Durability 100 and Damage A Billion, so there's really not a lot of incentive to hand out better armor when the only meaningful thing stopping you from wiping out the Earth with giant missiles anyhow is the fancy glowing woman.
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Though for defense, we do have the Nova Corps energy net trick, mass force fields are not unknown, just uncommon (maybe just a Xandar thing?).
 
mothematics said:
Yooooo I loved it. Not Black Panther level obviously but 100% above average and just a blast of a movie. Brie Larson is a treat, Goose is best cat, the twist got to me and I caught Kelly Sue's cameo and smiled. Teaser afterward was fun.

Just the little things kinda got to me. Like Carol doing the dishes. I'm really happy with this.
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Goose is best cat.

Lockjaw is best doggo, and thus better in every way.
 
Phigment said:
It's the same cube.

Ancient history, is was sealed in a tomb or something until Red Skull found it in WW2. Then the USA recovered it and had possession for a while. At some point, Mar-Vell managed to get it with Project Pegasus to do her thing, and put it in orbit. Then Goose swallowed it. Some time between the end of Captain Marvel and Avengers 1, SHIELD got it back out of Goose.
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There was a mid-credits scene showing what happened.
Goose coughed the tesseract back up on Fury's desk like it was a hairball. Presumably Fury found it there and got it properly contained.

I saw the movie a bit over a week ago and enjoyed it. I'd say it was a fun movie and a good one.
 
A lot of what makes Kamala works for me is how distinctly her story tells the immigrant experience. She goes through a lot of what we go through. Like yeah, it's a pretty straightforward thing, but we never really got a superhero to tell it until Kamala.
 
PhoenixMercurous said:
There was a mid-credits scene showing what happened.
Goose coughed the tesseract back up on Fury's desk like it was a hairball. Presumably Fury found it there and got it properly contained.

I saw the movie a bit over a week ago and enjoyed it. I'd say it was a fun movie and a good one.
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No that was the post-credits 'this is what we stayed in our seats for several minutes to see' scene :p
LSkullD said:
Goose is best cat.

Lockjaw is best doggo, and thus better in every way.
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Being on Inhumans makes Lockjaw worst doggo though, because anything on that show is automatically the worst.
I declare
Ruby Hale's doggo
to be best doggo.
 
Saw it yesterday.

Had a lot of fun, Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson and all the other actors were excellent. Not much else to say for me that hasn't been said already.
I look forward to the sequel and where they will take the character.
 
Well, saw the movie last week. And I found it... okay-ish?

I'm a little embarrassed, to be honest. I don't believe it to be a bad movie, far from it, but I felt like nothing really clicked for me? I mean, trying to describe my feelings, "fine" and "okay" are basically the two words that are constantly coming back, in a rather mild tone. And as a white straight male who also wasn't that taken by Black Panther (I felt like that one had better highs, but also weirder choices sometimes), it seems to put me dangerously close from agreeing with people I really don't want to agree with on anything.
 
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You know people say that this is a feminist movie, and I see where they're coming from, but I feel like the real takeaway is "the government says there is an insidious hostile enemy attempting to infiltrate and destroy us but in reality they are frightened refugees fleeing a conflict we started".
 
ScottishMongol said:
You know people say that this is a feminist movie, and I see where they're coming from, but I feel like the real takeaway is "the government says there is an insidious hostile enemy attempting to infiltrate and destroy us but in reality they are frightened refugees fleeing a conflict we started".
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That message is also there, yes.

Which makes it interesting that this movie was made with the full support of the U.S. Air Force, whereas they declined to do so for The Avengers.
 
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