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Bound to Earth: A CK2 Earthbound Quest in an 8-bit Dystopia

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Omegahugger said:
But I could also see it locking us out of the using C.D./our faction leader's stats for every roll on account of, well, anarchic factions not having a leader at the top.
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wow this would be bad if it was a negative trait in the game. thankfully anarchic doesn't actually mean anarchy (for example democracies count as anarchic structures in this game), it's just the categorisation system being broad?

Hex said:
Much as I joked about it, I do feel like a Yakuza style organization would do well. It would let us gather a variety of colorful characters, have a defined structure, and still let us be honorable and do plenty of good. And in more than one case, we have already shown that we are more than willing to do crimes to help our goals. We have mostly acted against those who hurt the normal people, which is why modeling things after Kiryu rather than more traditional crime works so well, but I don't see us avoiding crime in the future after we've already used it so much.
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organised crime is pretty generic, but that can be a plus for sure. it's a proven successful method if we can get people to go along with it and since it's not too specialised we can probably branch out into a range of ventures, but I guess the issue is that a lot of factions are probably doing it already, so we'd need to fight them to open up room, which might stretch our resources/be difficult? idk, everyone else is entrenched already so it's likely to be a problem

seems like at least for me the crux of the issue is dealing with power disparity and needing to build a faction that can fight what we need to fight. (but that will be a work in progress, and this choice isn't the be-all and end all to it). should focus more on which faction is most fun to play, though all three options have fun asthetics
 
hleghe said:
wow this would be bad if it was a negative trait in the game. thankfully anarchic doesn't actually mean anarchy (for example democracies count as anarchic structures in this game), it's just the categorisation system being broad?
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...Archaic.

The name of the org structure type is Archaic. As in, something from a previous time period. The same Arch as in Archaeology.

Anarchic, as in Anarchism, is a very different kettle of fish that might come under the category of Archaic orgs, but not all Archaic orgs are Anarchic ones.

Which isn't to say you can't have democracy in an anarchic system, but that's a whole different thing and there's posters on this forum who would be way better than me at getting into the nitty gritty of left wing theory and discussion than I am.
 
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KnownParadox said:
Yakuza is good, but we're also american (kind of, maybe, sort of, more in spirit, our ancestors were at least) and thus I think we should let some mafia/mobster imagery in. The Yakuza aesthetic is great of course, but perhaps a fusion of looks...
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Look, I'm not saying we should actually call ourselves Yakuza. Just model how we handle things after Kiryu Kazuma and the Yakuza games. Applying crimes and violence where needed, but also helping old ladies across the street, helping find lost pets, and giving pep talks to help people improve their lives.
 
hleghe said:
ugh this is a dumb mistake to have, to be clear I'm not talking about anarchy specifically, it's just a big misspelling. anytime I mentioned it in this thread I probably meant archaic
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Oh I know, I was just pointing it out.

I don't blame you, because at a glance they're similarly spelled, and it kinda does fit from the idea of it covering a broad mishmash of group types instead of specifically referring to anarchism the ideology.
 
Wasn't one post a while back that suggested something like a KND-like direction for a criminal/resistance organization? I'd vote for that in a heartbeat if someone put up an option for it. I'm not really feeling the Sports Youth org. IMO,it's too restricting for C.D's main goals(defeating the alien invasion) because we would have to frame anything we do around the sports theme.

There are still ways of bettering the community, if we choose something other than it. I also don't care for how that option emphasizes C.D's sportiness as the main thing about her,when it's just one of many traits.
 
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Just bringing this up again since it's been a bit and don't feel like repeating myself.
KnownParadox said:
Personally I think corp or criminal will work out best in the long run rather the wishy-washy archaic, as a corp (Brainshock Spiritual Healing or whatever) Captain Strong will at worst just watch us, as long as we openly follow the law he can't do shit, and that goes for many other groups in Eagle County and beyond. As a criminal (Media Pirates or whatever) we'd have the bonus of "we can do whatever the fuck we want, so long as we have the strength or guile to take it". Raid every mayors house, kick a CEO off their 700th floor balcony, jaywalk, whatever. It also let's us recruit the people who would never join a corp, and a I imagine a few of those folks are pretty hardcore and can't be bought with money.

Listen, I'd just rather do anything except Archaic. The idea of hiding our operations behind a spiritual healing corporation also just tickles me, I like that idea a lot. Plus, our new age crap actually works! And it's far cheaper! The people will love us.
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Criminal: Yakumafiasters.
Corp: Spiritual Healing (that actually works)

Those are my current ideas for our Faction.
 
LunarDreams said:
Wasn't one post a while back that suggested something like a KND-like direction for a criminal/resistance organization? I'd vote for that in a heartbeat if someone put up an option for it I'm not really feeling the Sports Youth org. IMO,it's restricting for C.D's main goals(defeating the alien invasion) and there are still ways of bettering the community, if we choose something other than it.
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My problem with that is that it inherently makes it harder for adults to be part of the organization. And that seems like a silly thing to do when there are lots of adults as potential allies once we have a stronger base.
 
LunarDreams said:
Wasn't one post a while back that suggested something like a KND-like direction for a criminal/resistance organization? I'd vote for that in a heartbeat if someone put up an option for it I'm not really feeling the Sports Youth org. IMO,it's restricting for C.D's main goals(defeating the alien invasion) and there are still ways of bettering the community, if we choose something other than it.
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That was me. I'm not sure if it'd go full KND (We're probably not going to get access to 2-by-4 technology), but I think at least something in a direction similar to that could be a good angle, given that this is inevitably going to hit a lot of vulnerable youngsters hard.

Hex said:
My problem with that is that it inherently makes it harder for adults to be part of the organization. And that seems like a silly thing to do when there are lots of adults as potential allies once we have a stronger base.
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Aaaand this is why I'm not pushing for it super hard right now.

I still feel that a similar angle is useful - Notably some criminal groups are much more focused on ideology over profit seeking, and I think that for C.D.'s whole vibe (delinquent with a heart of gold, but a shitton of anger and self-loathing, still trying to do good anyway) fits with that a heck of a lot. Just got to find one that feels fresh, but not too limiting.
 
Hex said:
My problem with that is that it inherently makes it harder for adults to be part of the organization. And that seems like a silly thing to do when there are lots of adults as potential allies once we have a stronger base.
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We don't have to take all the pages out of KND as we can have some adults too,they just wouldn't be the majority of people we recruit. Remember,even KND had a TND section.

I guess my backup choices would be a yakuza/gang or the the robin hood resistance,a cliche, but one that is for a reason.
 
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LunarDreams said:
Wasn't one post a while back that suggested something like a KND-like direction for a criminal/resistance organization?
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KND is another fun aesthetic but they're even more unethical than a standard criminal organisation, if you look at the lore... *30 page essay here*
in all seriousness it'd take some finagling to work, (it doesn't really answer how we're going to get the resources to act, which is a priority) but it could probably be integrated into another type of faction? as how we manage members in terms of distribution, etc. as a bonus we already have a treehouse to use for onnet!

KnownParadox said:
Corp: Spiritual Healing (that actually works)
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it's a fun idea i definitely want to see pulled off, but sort of leaning away from corp at the moment due to logistical issues.
what's your opinion on healing and other psychic services, but done through the lens of other faction types? either as the front facing part of a secret society(criminal, avoids restriction somewhat but still does most of the same things), or with an archaic structure (full MLM, might be effective but not sure if that's the intended use of archaic structures)

to clarify, the important part is using it as a cover story to let our faction deal with psychic stuff (which we're hopefully doing anyhow because it's Giygas causing them/useful research to perform) without drawing too much negative attention and ideally getting paid/positive reputation from it

Ranger65 said:
She just needs a eyepatch, some nice Winged Tip Dress Shoes and a yellow boa print snakeskin blazer then we'll have out very own majima... Also a lawsuit if he finds out we'll stealing his style... Ah who am I kidding it will be a fight knowing that man.
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don't worry, this is just the majima everywhere system, they would totally be on board
 
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The issue with 'organized crime/yakuza' is that organizations like that are built up around criminal income sources, around controlling and protecting them. That's how the large recruitment base is funded. So what crimes will we be condoning on a daily manner? Drug sales? Protection rackets (which necessarily includes punishing those who can't pay)? Repeatedly robbing rich people, which is the kind of thing the powers that be actually care about and would crack down hard on?
Not to mention, we'd have to fight other orgs for territory. Which could be good, because we'll be better to the people there than them, but it also means we'll be in a three front conflict with crime, the law/corpos and the aliens.
A lot of income sources are either seriously dubious, or pain a large target on our backs.

Other types of criminal (or other) orgs still need income, but they are less definitionally constrained.

Or to say it a different way: Organized crime has it's purpose mostly in money making. It's kinda like a stereotypical corporation without legal sanction. A corp without even the pretense of following legal rules.
Other organization concepts have their purpose and their money making separate. Whether criminal (revolutionary league) or archaic (Sports and Culture Association).
 
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hleghe said:
(if it was better for Giygas to go loud, they would have. so long as the big three don't nuke us, raising the alarm somewhat should help harden our resistance.)
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The issue is that Giygas going loud would provoke an extreme reaction from the big three. They would absolutely be willing to drop a bunch of nuclear weapons (or equivalents) on the Eagle Quarter if they thought it might slow down an alien invasion. Or something even worse, and that's not even getting into the damage Giygas will do when he stops holding back.
 
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hleghe said:
KND is another fun aesthetic but they're even more unethical than a standard criminal organisation, if you look at the lore... *30 page essay here*
in all seriousness it'd take some finagling to work, (it doesn't really answer how we're going to get the resources to act, which is a priority) but it could probably be integrated into another type of faction? as how we manage members in terms of distribution, etc. as a bonus we already have a treehouse to use for onnet!
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There is a reason why I said we didn't have to take ALL the pages from KND. But at this point,I think we might we better off going with either a gang/yakuza or a robin hood-esque resistance. Both of those are basic,but it allows the freedom to shape the org the way we want it to better suit C.D while at the same time not being potentially hampered in the main goal,unlike something more defined.

Jastolus said:
Not to mention, we'd have to fight other orgs for territory. Which could be good, because we'll be better to the people there than them, but it also means we'll be in a three front conflict with crime, the law/corpos and the aliens.
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I would say that C.D as a character is better suited for fighting more gangs and diplomacy of that type,than trying to unentrench three Megacorps and dealing with corp politics.
 
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Jastolus said:
Protection rackets (which necessarily includes punishing those who can't pay)?
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Not necessarily, if they can't pay we could always offer other forms of payment other then money (and also have this be a option when we offer protection so people who can't afford it or would go out of business if they did pay in cash can still get our protection ) say it's a shop that isn't able to pay we would still protect them if they give a discount on some of thier items for our members, or a construction site instead of cash they can teach our crew how to actually build things that won't be blown over by the wind or how to improve things that we already have, money isn't the only way to pay someone after all.
 
Ranger65 said:
Not necessarily, if they can't pay we could always offer other forms of payment other then money (and also have this be a option when we offer protection so people who can't afford it or would go out of business if they did pay in cash can still get our protection ) say it's a shop that isn't able to pay we would still protect them if they give a discount on some of thier items for our members, or a construction site instead of cash they can teach our crew how to actually build things that won't be blown over by the wind or how to improve things that we already have, money isn't the only way to pay someone after all.
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I mean that's clever, but also much more difficult to organize and still widespread extortion. And if they just say 'fuck you', what then? There's a reason gangs make an example of people who cross them or don't play by their rules. It's to keep everyone else in line, and paying their dues. If you want to do this kind of business, your hand is forced, and you'll have to do what you must to make it work.

Alternatively, if we genuinely just offer optional guard/protection services without coercion, then there's not really anything criminal going on, and we could do that with any other type of org or variance of criminal org.
 
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Honestly I think people tend to think of this more in Aesthetics rather than what they specifically want the org to be doing.

...And to be fair, I do think C.D. in a mobster outfit would be cool as hell. It might not be a good direction to take things in, but there's a reason people like mafia AU's.
 
Pushing for Criminal personally. The fight against Giygas is going to be dark and dirty and a underground organization is going to be perfectly fitted to that. Our greatest strength is being clandestine and focusing on hit and run attacks against the Invader. Corporate throws that away right off the bat and Anarchic doesn't really seem super useful outside of the Outlands.
 
Jastolus said:
I mean that's clever, but also much more difficult to organize and still widespread extortion. And if they just say 'fuck you', what then?
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If they say 'fuck you' they don't get our protection from us simple as that, we won't stop people from robbing thier stores,we won't help clean up any damages it may suffer, we won't get back anything that was stolen, we won't station people there to scare off people from trying again, we won't help the person run the store if they are unable to due to being injured, we won't do anything, they want no protection from other criminal and other dangers fine but we're not going to do anything if worse criminals then us start picking on them and they're will always be worse criminals then us.
 
Alright. People seem to be getting more caught up in real Yakuza and such than the games I'm referencing. So let me change that up.

Basing our criminal organization on the Like a Dragon games and their predecessors sounds fun. Because they definitely do crimes, but they also just try to general be good people despite doing crimes.

As for making examples of people? If someone honestly can't pay, then they can't. If they are just being greedy or trying to screw us over, then sure, they can be an example if we go that route. Just need to be careful who we make examples of.
 
tbh there's multiple options for where to go after a organisational type is picked and everyone wants different things
probably need to relate the discussion to more the specific option presented than what we're aiming for afterwards.

for people going for protection rackets, please remember that the OPF are basically rent-a-cops and other areas in the eagle quarter pay them for men to be stationed there or such. pretty hard to compete with that? especially since they're already there/have more reliability etc
 
Hex said:
Basing our criminal organization on the Like a Dragon games and their predecessors sounds fun.
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I will say that Yakuza isn't included in all this since it's too new. However the River City/Kunio games are, and while they're not Yakuza they are Japanese/Gang themed.

Not that it's particularly relevant, but I figured I'd point out if you're looking for thematic justifications.
 
Honestly for criminal organization I was looking more towards the terrorist group or ideological movement portion of the desc (FBI please be kind). Our goal is the defeat of Giygas and the liberation of the city from the Invaders. Given uhhh, everything with our mother and our general anti-authoritarian bent fucking with the Corps and warlords is probably going to be a secondary goal. We have the perfect beginnings of a clandestine cell, the seed of a movement that can challenge the greedy bastards and shadowy monsters that suck millions dry every day. All while maybe engaging in some light Thuggery.
 
Hex said:
Basing our criminal organization on the Like a Dragon games and their predecessors sounds fun. Because they definitely do crimes, but they also just try to general be good people despite doing crimes.
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And also have have hobbies other then crime like pocket racing, darts and bowling, really really being into dragon quest, and of course doing karaoke! and who doesn't love seeing someone doing karaoke?
 
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