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Blue Steel 2199: Arpeggio of Blue Steel/Space Battleship Yamato 2199 Crossover

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Pulling that off in in literary terms will be rather difficult, and it can potentially make Kongo or the EDF look really stupid and/or crazy.

If Kongo flips out and kills him, she will need a lot of justification for doing so. Otherwise she looks like a psycho.

If she kills him without a massive amount of justification for it, and EDF doesn't make a serious effort to punish her in some way, they look like spineless ineffectual twats.
 
I am not sure why there should be a big production of getting rid of him or "show him he is wrong". Daily life for anyone is full of potential fatal accidents. Heart attacks, tripping, accidental food poisoning, food choking, strokes, disease, infected bug bites, unexpected allergies, old age, etc. No need for huge explosions or discharges of energy or some misguided attempt on guilt (especially since he would never feel it and probably sneer at such an attempt). Given what others stated on the abilities of nanomaterials, they really could do "the perfect murder" (no evidence that murder was done and no evidence that they were responsible) (this does not include the fact that the current situation on Earth probably means very little forensic ability by humans anyhow including devoting resources to any investigation [and anything found can be tampered with the appropriate use of super technology]). "Dust to dust" would be a good epitaph for him.
 
The difficulty is in having the creativity to come up with something like that.

although I wouldn't put it past Amaha.
 
Would Mamoru Kodai still end up on Iscandar in this continuity?

Also with the Yukikaze being part of the new Yamatos crew, would he be on another ship? ( In the anime he commanded the Yukikaze )

And if his ship was also an human built ship equipped with a union core there is the off chance of the Gamilan forces capturing it.
 
Dizzy said:
Would Mamoru Kodai still end up on Iscandar in this continuity?

Also with the Yukikaze being part of the new Yamatos crew, would he be on another ship? ( In the anime he commanded the Yukikaze )

And if his ship was also an human built ship equipped with a union core there is the off chance of the Gamilan forces capturing it.
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That's pretty much so. Of course I make the assumption that the forces that Yamato defeated at Jupiter and Pluto do not represent all the Gamilan forces stationed in system, let alone those nearby.
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Yukikaze (any bets on her MM being referred to as Yuki?) likely would be best as acting as a 'prototype' for the actual SBY, in that her hull has everything BUT a WMC installed, but its still 0th generation equipment, and not nearly as refined as what is ending up as the SBY's equipment. That and some of what is onboard her might be 'dead-end' technology that Earth/Fog are planning on discarding, but initially had looked promising. But even with her lesser loadout she'd be the perfect training ship for the person meant to act as Okita's XO (and backup captain in case he's taken out).

As for her destruction(?), although I'd suggest capture would be more likely in this case (I'll get to that in a second), I'd suggest making things -far- nastier for them during the 3rd Battle of Mars, where the Gamilian HQ, finally having it sink in that the Fog have made Earth devastatingly more powerful then they ever initially suspected (thus explaining why Gamilias went for an 'easy/slow' kill of Earth, rather then actually hammering it like they really could have), sends an entire fleet instead of a mere task group. Yukikaze turns back since both she and Mamoru know her equipment is NOTHING compared to what the SBY is going to have, and that the bulk of the crew training-up to man the SBY are aboard Okita's flagship. So might as well just sacrifice a single hull of a very-soon-to-be outdated warship, and just its semi-non-vital/expendable crew, rather then lose ALL of the suriving EDF ships, and their crews.

Cue a Mamoru + Yukikaze's MM (much like Haruna/Kirishima's adventures with Makie, without their hulls), getting captured and sent on their way to a mostly canon trip that ends up on Iscandar (high probability of Yukikaze's MM trying to discretely hack the ship's systems ends up being the reason it actually crashes).

This also gives everyone on the SBY further reason to trust Starsha, as, after all, Iscandar is the sister/binary planet of Gamilias after all.

If they find out Mamoru died, but that Yukikaze's MM is alive & well on Iscandar as a 'guest', and is able to verify that Starsha is telling the truth about him being well treated? Well, that goes a long way towards fixing a rather gaping plot hole I believe was never truly fixed - that the SBY crew believed everything Starsha said up front, with only minimal disbelief at best. I'd have been suspicious as all hell actually.

Finally, another thing is that if Yukikaze, even as a prototype, still kicks the unholy hell out of the Gamilias fleet, reducing it to such a state that they'd rather risk capturing it due to what is obviously vital intelligence about how a single-planet civilization can come up with SGCs and such (them not knowing about the Fog), is that it also gives our author here a carte blanche reason for drastically increasing the difficulties for the Yamato along the way. In canon, the SBY was already a massive threat due to the WMG and other unique technological 'quirks' humanity came up with, although it was nothing that was truly beyond them (Domal came damn close to killing them off. DAMN close). But a SBY kitted with Fog-tech from the keel out? Heh. The Gamilians would take the ship dead serious from the get-go.

As a side-issue, just the fact that the 'lesser' Gamilians (episode 7 & 8) held off the SBY that damn well, even if dying to a man, really would be worth the honor of inducing their families as 'first class' Gamilians.
 
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The above post was done under the influence of a previous 5 hour long 1st successful run of Destiny's Vault of Glass, 4 shots of Grand Marnier, half a box of See's Candies truffles, every episode so far of Amagi Brilliant Park, and a surprise call from Japan. In short, the poster was high on life and had some inspiration. Do not take the post as any representation of the opinion of the creator of this story, or their plans for the story, which may, or more likely, may not, align to some of the thoughts posted above.
 
I can say that the opinion of a mental model might not help Starsha's credibility in the eyes of humanity. Iscandar holds a secret.
 
As for Serizawa... Kongo has spent considerable time contemplating his end. Then she got a suggestion from the Assault and Suppression ship Enterprise: "I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you..."
 
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As for Serizawa... Kongo has spent considerable time contemplating his end. Then she got a suggestion from the Assault and Suppression ship Enterprise: "I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you..."
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Serizawa marooned on the moon.
Grits his teeth, grabbing his radio, "KONGOOOOOOUUUUU!!!!!!"
 
I'm gonna do this big write-up on Gamilas Empire's capabilities.

Okay, while everyone's saying how fucked the Gamilas are with the Yamato having like 10 Mental Models and the Wave Motion Shield, I wouldn't discount the Gamilons. They're an intergalactic empire, and they don't get that far by being stupid or behind the times.

First off if you pay attention to whenever the Yamato is taking fire, at best, being very generous and charitable, at most probably maybe up to 50% of the shots are anywhere close to hitting the Yamato on a good day. Simply letting the Gamilas gunners not take lessons at the Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy and increase their hit chance makes them a serious threat to even super-beefed-up Fog!Yamato. In fact I say the Klein Fields and nanomaterials allow more leeway in the amount of damage the Yamato could take. If it were up to me the Yamato would take a much heavier punishment during Domel's first ambush on them.

Secondly, you don't see all the Gamilon weapons on their starships being used such as their extra turrets or missiles, mostly due to I assume animation reasons as well as to preserve ammo for the latter. Still, with the threat the Fog!Yamato poses I'd assume they'd go all-out.

Gamilons use positron beams for their main weaponry, contrasting with the UN Cosmo Fleet's "amplified light" cannons. These can be either fired in bolts (as we usually see them) or sustained as a cutting beam. Both of these are showcased in Domel's battle against Gatlantis. I'm not sure how they'd compare to the Fog's photon cannons, but I'd say they're not that far behind. While it's never shown, it can be inferred that these positron beams also have the ability to converge and form a more powerful beam like the Yamato's positron shock cannons. This can be seen in the 10 minute preview for the Ark of the Stars. Here, the Zoelguut-class super dreadnought is shown to fire 3 sets of 4 beams. However in the next shot, only 3 beams (that are noticeably brighter and bigger) are shown. Even in other scenes, where there are only single beams are seen being flung around when all Gamilon turrets are dual-mount or bigger. It makes sense that they have that same ability to combine. (This gives me a funny image of Domel's Zoelguut firing its 12 beams, converging to form 3, then converging again to make one really big beam).

Speaking of the Zoelguut, it could take some pretty nasty punishment. While most other ships are taken out in one shot by the Yamato's shock cannons and missiles, it could keep on going despite being hit by 6 missiles and several shock cannon blasts. The bow of the ship even outright deflected a converged shock cannon shot. The only other time a shot has been deflected (even the WMS only absorbs, not reflect) was with the specially-treated magnetic armor coating on the Gamilon Pluto fleet. Even its main cannons are nasty, 10mm bigger than the Yamato's main guns. I think they'd have comparable damage to the Yamato's shock cannons.

TL;DR: To up the threat level of the Gamilas you simply need to give them more competence. Their canon technology's already pretty good.

No I didn't just do this so I could rewatch SBY 2199's battles and look at the pretty space ships. :p
 
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skaianDestiny said:
I'm gonna do this big write-up on Gamilas Empire's capabilities.

Okay, while everyone's saying how fucked the Gamilas are with the Yamato having like 10 Mental Models and the Wave Motion Shield, I wouldn't discount the Gamilas. They're an intergalactic empire, and they don't get that far by being stupid or behind the times.

First off if you pay attention to whenever the Yamato is taking fire, at best, being very generous and charitable, at most probably maybe up to 50% of the shots are anywhere close to hitting the Yamato on a good day. Simply letting the Gamilas gunners not take lessons at the Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy and increase their hit chance makes them a serious threat to even super-beefed-up Fog!Yamato. In fact I say the Klein Fields and nanomaterials allow more leeway in the amount of damage the Yamato could take. If it were up to me the Yamato would take a much heavier punishment during Domel's first ambush on them.

Secondly, you don't see all the Gamilon weapons on their starships being used such as their extra turrets or missiles, mostly due to I assume animation reasons as well as to preserve ammo for the latter. Still, with the threat the Fog!Yamato poses I'd assume they'd go all-out.

Gamilons use positron beams for their main weaponry, contrasting with the UN Cosmo Fleet's "amplified light" cannons. These can be either fired in bolts (as we usually see them) or sustained as a cutting beam. Both of these are showcased in Domel's battle against Gatlantis. I'm not sure how they'd compare to the Fog's photon cannons, but I'd say they're not that far behind. While it's never shown, it can be inferred that these positron beams also have the ability to converge and form a more powerful beam like the Yamato's positron shock cannons. This can be seen in the 10 minute preview for the Ark of the Stars. Here, the Zoelguut-class super dreadnought is shown to fire 3 sets of 4 beams. However in the next shot, only 3 beams (that are noticeably brighter and bigger) are shown. Even in other scenes, where there are only single beams are seen being flung around when all Gamilon turrets are dual-mount or bigger. It makes sense that they have that same ability to combine. (This gives me a funny image of Domel's Zoelguut firing its 12 beams, converging to form 3, then converging again to make one really big beam).

Speaking of the Zoelguut, it could take some pretty nasty punishment. While most other ships are taken out in one shot by the Yamato's shock cannons and missiles, it could keep on going despite being hit by 6 missiles and several shock cannon blasts. The bow of the ship even outright deflected a converged shock cannon shot. The only other time a shot has been deflected (even the WMS only absorbs, not reflect) was with the specially-treated magnetic armor coating on the Gamilon Pluto fleet. Even its main cannons are nasty, 10mm bigger than the Yamato's main guns. I think they'd have comparable damage to the Yamato's shock cannons.

TL;DR: To up the threat level of the Gamilas you simply need to give them more competence. Their canon technology's already pretty good.

No I didn't just do this so I could rewatch SBY 2199's battles and look at the pretty space ships. :p
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Shulz displays a fair amount of competence (unlike his original series counterpart) but lacks the resources that the Gamilans would have expended if they believed Earth was worth a major effort (Lucky that the Gamilans are busy with Galantis.) Domel is top notch as a field commander. He stumbles on politics. Wolf Frakken is also very good, but only has one vessel and is riding the edge of his technology. Admiral Deitz probably would have been a very tough customer when he was commanding fighting fleets. Gimleh, Goer, and Zoellik are political beasts and not up to the task. Berger also not quite up to Domel's standards.

Trust me when I say that General Gruge and Admiral Dzeer will be of sufficient quality as to pose a real threat as this story unfolds.
 
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In Gamilas's defense, the setting is one where pretty much no-one hits regularly. There's only a few ships in the series that show any level of durability. Usually both sides miss most of their shots, and those that hit are kills if they're effective at all.
 
DeltaV11.2 said:
In Gamilas's defense, the setting is one where pretty much no-one hits regularly. There's only a few ships in the series that show any level of durability. Usually both sides miss most of their shots, and those that hit are kills if they're effective at all.
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Perhaps this is a case where firepower has outpaced most armor systems?

Kiyone4ever said:
Gimleh, Goer, and Zoellik are political beasts and not up to the task.
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I wouldn't say Goer's a political beast. :p Pretty much his only redeeming quality is his undying loyalty to Dessler. While he isn't that stupid - he was able to discern at Balun the Yamato's real target and his quick thinking saved a portion of Gamilas's fleet there - Dessler probably tolerates Goer because of his dedication to him.

Someone did make the observation that under Domel's command Goer did sort of improve. In his first appearace Goer fires on his own ship (though he probably wrote it off as them consorting with the enemy, and we know how he feels about traitors) and retreating without telling his subordinates, then under Domel he sees Domel letting damaged ships fall back as well as his care for his under him, and then at Balun Goer tries to call off the friendly fire and then orders the fleet to retreat.
 
DeltaV11.2 said:
In Gamilas's defense, the setting is one where pretty much no-one hits regularly. There's only a few ships in the series that show any level of durability. Usually both sides miss most of their shots, and those that hit are kills if they're effective at all.
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Unless of course, for reasons of plot, the target is invulnerable (Boss/Main Boss) or a "hero unit", and thus gets massive bonus to durability so the dashing crew can display the courage, guts, and fortitude of the damage control parties. Also, the tragedy of crew being blown into space by explosive decompression of compartments/passages.

@Kiyone4ever, are you thinking of using more "cinematic" damage control/damage portrayal, or something more sensible? An example of the latter would be the way David Weber has ships entering combat in the Honor-verse evacuate the air out of the companionways and other spaces, the weapons, sensor control, comms, bridge, CIC, etc. compartments are sealed, and all personnel are in vacuum suits with helmets, or at least helmets close to hand.
 
Probably a mix. We saw that engineers aboard Kirishima had protective suits at Pluto. Sealing hatches and compartments automatically would be a given. Damage control central is a location we never saw aboard Yamato (Indeed, when did you see this compartment in ANY space war?) But obviously would be a critical post.

Certain characters; if in space, would not get a say. Makie goes any where near a combat zone, Haruna and company will make certain she is as protected as they can make her.
 
I suggest everyone, if they have free time, go have a look at the commentary for SBY 2199 at ourstarblazers.com. Pretty good insight and analysis stuff. They currently only have up to episode 6, but it's been pretty enjoyable and informative.
 
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Chapter 10
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    • Blue Steel 2199: Part 10

    Okita sat calmly regarding the two young men standing in front of his desk. The morning's exercises had gone about as he expected. In the corner stood Kongo, who wondered why she had also been summoned to this meeting.


    "Gentlemen." The admiral began with that tone both Kodai and Chihaya by now recognized as the teacher. "Do you two know why you were defeated in today's engagement?"


    "We divided our forces in front of the enemy." Kodai said with honest admission. At the time, Gunzou's suggestion seemed like a good idea. Even now Kodai realized it should have worked. Yukikaze (Who was now asking to be called Yuki) and Chihaya's Isokaze had synchronized their maneuver perfectly. The convergence of missiles and the multiple threat vectors should have been too much for Mogami to handle.


    Except it had not.


    "To be fair," Okita began. "Your approach was not without its advantages and in most cases, you would have taken the enemy by surprise. It certainly was not standard doctrine and for that reason alone, it would have caught most opponents… at least those who are aware of that same doctrine." Okita noted. "Off guard." He then looked at Gunzou. "Mr. Chihaya. Tell me what approach standard doctrine would call for in this situation."


    Chihaya sighed in himself. He had been confident his plan would work. It was typical of all the battles Blue Steel had fought. The existing navy and its tactics had been of little use against the Fog and so Gunzou had thrown the book away. But in this case, perhaps he had been too clever.


    "We should have come in together on a tight approach vector."


    "By doing so, you increase your active defenses and saturate my defenses in a localized area." Okita instructed. He leaned back in his chair. "Tactics are about choices. About our own options and mission versus those of the enemy. Standard tactics exist because these are the things which experience has shown to work.


    "Never limit your options. Do not ignore doctrine for being old ideas… Old things are clearly still of value. " He chuckled. "But at the risk of negating my warnings to you, do not be afraid to deviate from doctrine if an opportunity presents itself."


    Okita eyed them thoughtfully. "To be fair, your plan should have worked… except I knew what you would do if I allowed you the time to choose your own approach. Understanding your opponent and your own nature are very important keys to victory. We both tend to gamble Chihaya. Sometimes it is necessary." He smiled. "Get some rest gentlemen. In the morning, we will run the exercise again. Dismissed."


    The two young men saluted and left the compartment. Okita then turned to Kongo. "Tomorrow you will report to the simulator deck and take command of Blue force. Captain Yamanami will command Red force."


    Kongo's eyes showed a touch of surprise. Okita smiled. "The time will come when you will command human crewed ships, Kongo. Best for you and them to get accustomed to it now."


    "But should not Gunzou Chihaya command? He is human after all." Kongo asked.


    "Gunzou is one of the best ship handlers and innovative tacticians I have ever seen Kongo, but he is not yet ready to command a fleet. The day will come, but while you still need to understand and trust your own intuition a bit more, you are a quite capable fleet commander. I see it in you. Find it in yourself. It may be that which saves us all one day."
     
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    • If I had the time, I'd make a mock-up of those Super Smash Bros intro splash screens with Kongo, and it'd read:
    "Kongo: Takes Command!"
     
    It certainly makes sense, that the Fog flagships should have inherent skills in commanding units- they were designed for that. What they lacked was doctrine/experience, and the imagination to innovate on the basis of the doctrine, and adapt to the circumstances and realities of the battlefield. They certainly already understood how to delegate tasks and such. The recent manga chapters portray that quite well, how the overall plan is often quite solid, but the "immaturity" of the units involved can and do interfere, as their MM causes them to act at times impulsively. (Shakes head over Ashigara's antics).

    I haven't watched all the anime for BA, which I assume forms the basis for the Fog background for the fic? Certainly another recent chapter seems to have revealed that Iona has a very important connection to the Tac Net, and
    a "dream" sequence has Iona's MM avatar in her "dataspace" appear in a very elaborate costume- the kind we see Yamato and Kongo sport when in Flagship mode. Two Fog symbols (Sun and Moon) are running diagnostics, and report all is working as expected. Iona wonders why she has not been locked out of the Tac Net- the answer- she is the Tac Net. The "diagnostic routines" tell her, she won't rember this discussion when she "wakes" from her downtime... I guess Iona didn't have this function in the anime? Or at least, the Tac Net routines can run without her, and she'll have to resynchronize with the net.
     
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    One thing I like, and that Kongo may be surprised at, is that Okita sees her, and by extension the other FoF personifications as 'people'. That should be food for thought for her.
     
    What if (this would never happen but would be kind of funny) once the Yamato is completed, all the Fleet of Fog vessels fuse with it to create an absolutely massive megaship? Then in combat they all separate to make a massive fleet?

    Would never happen, but funny to think about it. It's a Carrier that launches capital ships. And it IS THE THING IT LAUNCHES.
     
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