Best Game Ever | Dudley Quest [HP/The Gamer]

[Qeqre]

That's probably exactly what a Cerberus has. There's probably something of a distinction between inborn traits and things that are actively worked on.

It probably is. I wasn't saying that they'd get mana affinity after reaching a certain level of intelligent. Just used it as an example of magic being connected to intelligence.

Didn't say it couldn't be. I said that INT was the primary factor determining MP.

I'm not convinced after chapters 89-90 where a snake had INT of 17 and WIS of 19 while not appearing to be visibly intelligent.

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Aye, but it does imply that inborn traits like (racial?)magic resistance do not get shown as a higher WIS in the gamer, just as Magic Resistance.

And I'm saying INT is the primary factor determining MP for the gamer. We don't know if it's the same for non-gamers(who might have a harder time of it to raise their intelligence). By itself though? MP is a standalone stat that gets affected by INT, we do not know if baseline MP is higher for some people and we do not know whether or not wizards just have an inborn mana affinity or not.

The snake in chapter 89 did not appear to make hostile movements initially, it got oneshotted(while showing pain as it got zapped). The snakes in chapter 90 instantly identified the Gamer as hostile, with one attempting a sneak attack(that failed) and the named one attempting to kill him(jump and bite) before the Gamer could bring his ranged firepower to bear.

The snakes attempted rudimentary tactics. They showed pain as they were killed. In a sense, they did appear to be an intelligent foe. A thinking foe, maybe even wise by some metric(how do you show wisdom in an enemy that gets killed within a panel or two anyway?)...

...and one that was completely outclassed by the Gamer at that point, both due to not having a counter to ranged attacks and being 20 levels below him. They were in a room with one exit/entrance, which the gamer just came from, through a (somewhat narrow) hallway filled with traps, so they had nowhere to run to either.

As the gamer said: that dungeon was too low level for him.

 

[Gunman]

@Qeqre @Vincent you're both arguing long enough you may as well wait for the QM's take on it.

 

[Madou Sutegobana]

Eh. That ignores the existence of squibs. Harry Potter could have been on the list since he was first born, but if he turned out to be a squib, I seriously doubt he would be receiving a letter.

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Squibs do get Hogwarts Letters.

They inevitably fail their classes.

Also Magical Creatures like Dobby can cast spells too. With magic different from Wizard magic. So Wizarding Magic is not alone in the HP verse.

And if the Gamer power is not magical, then what is it? Is it a shard based power? Is it a gift from a Random Omniscient Being? Is it an expression of an underlying truth that Dudley is living in a simulated world? Or has Dudley simply become delusional with the idea that he lives in a game?

 

[AbZHz101]

@Matou Sutegobana, where did you get information about Squibs getting Hogwarts letters? Because I'm pretty sure the books say nothing on the issue except that Nevile's family thought he was a Squib, or at least didn't have enough Magic to get into Hogwarts until his letter came.

Thus implying that Squibs or those with too little magical potential don't get letters.

 

[redzonejoe]

@Matou Sutegobana, where did you get information about Squibs getting Hogwarts letters? Because I'm pretty sure the books say nothing on the issue except that Nevile's family thought he was a Squib, or at least didn't have enough Magic to get into Hogwarts until his letter came.

Thus implying that Squibs or those with too little magical potential don't get letters.

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Otoh, Harry was signed up since the day he was born, and filtch is still at Hogwarts, so there's that.

No conclusive evidence either way.

 

[AbZHz101]

Otoh, Harry was signed up since the day he was born, and filtch is still at Hogwarts, so there's that.

No conclusive evidence either way.

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Well we don't know how Filtch got to come to Hogwarts or become its caretaker. And Hagrid might have been exaggerating to scare the Dursleys. It wasn't like it made much of a difference on the story as a whole.

 

[Madou Sutegobana]

@Matou Sutegobana, where did you get information about Squibs getting Hogwarts letters? Because I'm pretty sure the books say nothing on the issue except that Nevile's family thought he was a Squib, or at least didn't have enough Magic to get into Hogwarts until his letter came.


Thus implying that Squibs or those with too little magical potential don't get letters.

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It was stated in the books that Squibs have gone to Hogwarts, and failed out of classes.

The Black family in particular had a Marius Black, who I've researched as an ancestor for Martin Black a believed Muggleborn. He managed to live to Adulthood in a family accused of killing squibs before school age.

You seem to be so focused on Neville for some reason you are oblivious to everyone not Neville!


Edit: I wrote this as a reply, and for some unknown reason the post I was Quoting didn't get quoted.

 

[AbZHz101]

It was stated in the books that Squibs have gone to Hogwarts, and failed out of classes.

The Black family in particular had a Marius Black, who I've researched as an ancestor for Martin Black a believed Muggleborn. He managed to live to Adulthood in a family accused of killing squibs before school age.

You seem to be so focused on Neville for some reason you are oblivious to everyone not Neville!

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Actually, I was asking because I couldn't think of any evidence from the books to support that. The only real mentions I remember about Squibs are: Nevile's talk during first year feast, Ron's Accountant uncle, Filtch, and Mrs. Figg.

 

[Madou Sutegobana]

Actually, I was asking because I couldn't think of any evidence from the books to support that. The only real mentions I remember about Squibs are: Nevile's talk during first year feast, Ron's Accountant uncle, Filtch, and Mrs. Figg.

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Some other points in the books are the Black Family Tapestry, the support group for Squibs, because of Wizarding family abuse, and some mentions of famous people being Squibs.

Marius is noted for having survived to adulthood and having descendents, despite the Black Families tendency to remove and cover up such "embarrassments".

I might put to much stock in that the movie has his scratched out portrait as an adult with Hogwarts robes, but the idea he used "Sleight of Hand" to fool his relatives until he got to Hogwarts and could ask for protection is amusing!

 

[Versharl]

It was stated in the books that Squibs have gone to Hogwarts, and failed out of classes.

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Saying something doesn't make it true. Please provide the book and page number or at least the chapter instead of expecting people to trust your word on it. It shouldn't be a problem considering you already seem so certain.

I might put to much stock in that the movie has his scratched out portrait as an adult with Hogwarts robes, but the idea he used "Sleight of Hand" to fool his relatives until he got to Hogwarts and could ask for protection is amusing!

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I think it's fairly obvious to anyone that have read the books that the movies are not exactly accurate representations of canon and have taken liberties anywhere they feel it's convenient.

 

[redzonejoe]

Saying something doesn't make it true. Please provide the book and page number or at least the chapter instead of expecting people to trust your word on it. It shouldn't be a problem considering you already seem so certain.

I think it's fairly obvious to anyone that have read the books that the movies are not exactly accurate representations of canon and have taken liberties anywhere they feel it's convenient.

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I believe you're looking for this button here:


For similar situations in the future

 

[Madou Sutegobana]

Saying something doesn't make it true. Please provide the book and page number or at least the chapter instead of expecting people to trust your word on it. It shouldn't be a problem considering you already seem so certain.

I think it's fairly obvious to anyone that have read the books that the movies are not exactly accurate representations of canon and have taken liberties anywhere they feel it's convenient.

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Matou Sutegobana said: ↑

I might put to much stock in that the movie has his scratched out portrait as an adult with Hogwarts robes...


I was clearly stating the movie wasn't a good enough source, you reinterpretes my words to mean I was backing up my statement with the movie.

I don't recall the chapter, page or even book. I only clearly remember reading a conversation about Squibs do get enrolled occasionally, but are unable to perform a single spell.

But you asked for mine I'll ask for yours! Where is your Book, chapter, and page of Harry Potter where they take Squibs off the enrollment chart?

And the Wiki doesn't count, as they don't have a source cited for their article either.

 

[AbZHz101]

I don't recall the chapter, page or even book. I only clearly remember reading a conversation about Squibs do get enrolled occasionally, but are unable to perform a single spell.

But you asked for mine I'll ask for yours! Where is your Book, chapter, and page of Harry Potter where they take Squibs off the enrollment chart?

And the Wiki doesn't count, as they don't have a source cited for their article either.

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As has been stated before, there is no proof that they ever get on the Registry Chart; much less get taken off of it, as the only one who ever mentioned it is Hagrid who probably wasn't concerned with political accuracy when he's letting the Dursley's (and Harry) know that Magic is real, Harry is a Wizard, and Harry has been invited to Hogwarts.

Beyond that, we have a couple of off hand mentions by someone from a Pureblood family that those with small amounts of Magical Potential are not given Hogwarts letters.

We have met two Squibs, and heard of one more; Filtch is the Caretaker of Hogwarts. We don't know how he got that position. Ron's Uncle and Mrs. Figg both live in the Muggle world, though possibly still have magical ties, Mrs. Figg does, Ron's uncle was never overtly mentioned again.

 

[Versharl]

I was clearly stating the movie wasn't a good enough source, you reinterpretes my words to mean I was backing up my statement with the movie.

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Erhm, not really? I was merely stating/reinforcing that one shouldn't use the movies to prove that something is canon, not that you did it.

I don't recall the chapter, page or even book. I only clearly remember reading a conversation about Squibs do get enrolled occasionally, but are unable to perform a single spell.

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Sorry if I don't trust your memory, it's kind of a thing of mine that I like to see actual proof of something before I believe it.

But you asked for mine I'll ask for yours! Where is your Book, chapter, and page of Harry Potter where they take Squibs off the enrollment chart?

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Luckily, the burden of proof rests on the party that makes the claim and you were the one claiming that Squibs do in fact get enrolled. I merely disputed this fact and asked for proof on your part. You asking me to prove you wrong would basically be the equivalent of a scientist presenting a theory with no supporting facts only to ask others to disprove it.

And the Wiki doesn't count, as they don't have a source cited for their article either.

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Wouldn't dream of using it since it's notoriously unreliable in it's own sourcing when it even has one. I've seen it use sources from the Lego games which should tell you about the quality of the wiki.

 

[Madou Sutegobana]

Erhm, not really? I was merely stating/reinforcing that one shouldn't use the movies to prove that something is canon, not that you did it.

Sorry if I don't trust your memory, it's kind of a thing of mine that I like to see actual proof of something before I believe it.

Luckily, the burden of proof rests on the party that makes the claim and you were the one claiming that Squibs do in fact get enrolled. I merely disputed this fact and asked for proof on your part. You asking me to prove you wrong would basically be the equivalent of a scientist presenting a theory with no supporting facts only to ask others to disprove it.

Wouldn't dream of using it since it's notoriously unreliable in it's own sourcing when it even has one. I've seen it use sources from the Lego games which should tell you about the quality of the wiki.

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The first one to make a claim is the person who stated that Squibs don't get Hogwarts acceptance letters.

If sources need to be cited they should show theirs first.

Quotes that were used to support this was Neville saying his Hogwarts acceptance letter makes him a wizard. No book, chapter, or page was given, and in fact can't be given because this is what he actually said:

'Well, my gran brought me up and she's a witch,' said Neville, 'but the family thought I was all Muggle for ages. My great-uncle Algie kept trying to catch me off my guard and force some magic out of me – he pushed me off the end of Blackpool pier once, I nearly drowned – but nothing happened until I was eight. Great-uncle Algie came round for tea and he was hanging me out of an upstairs window by the ankles when my great-auntie Enid offered him a meringue and he accidentally let go. But I bounced – all the way down the garden and into the road. They were all really pleased. Gran was crying, she was so happy. And you should have seen their faces when I got in here – they thought I might not be magical enough to come, you see. Great-uncle Algie was so pleased he bought me my toad.' (PS7)


I recognize the modified Quote as coming from one(or more) of the many FANFICS in which Neville joins Harry, Ron, and Hermione in the carriage.

So no there isn't cases of people in canon saying Squibs don't get acceptance letters.

 

[Piell]

Squibs don't go to Hogwarts or get Hogwarts letters.

http://pottermore.wikia.com/wiki/Scottish_Rugby

No letter from school arrived for Angus, but his panicking sister Flora forged one, which kept the parents in ignorance for several weeks more.
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It had never happened before and it has never happened since, but Angus got as far as the Sorting Hat before he was exposed. In sheer desperation he threw himself ahead of a girl whose name had been called and placed the Hat upon his head. The horror of the moment when the Hat announced kindly that the boy beneath it was a good-hearted chap, but no wizard, would never be forgotten by those who witnessed it. Angus took off the hat and left the hall with tears streaming down his face.

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[AbZHz101]

Check again, @Matou Sutegobana.

Second to last sentence: "[T]hey thought I might not be magical enough to come, you see." In other words, that he didn't have enough magical potential to get an Acceptance Letter. And this was after the incident where Neville Bounced. Thus they already knew that Neville had magic, but they were worried that it wasn't enough. So that can be taken as evidence that if there isn't great enough magical potential, a letter isn't sent.

 

[Versharl]

The first one to make a claim is the person who stated that Squibs don't get Hogwarts acceptance letters.

If sources need to be cited they should show theirs first.

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That's not how it works. Let me give you an example of why:
1. I claim that there's not a teapot orbiting the Sun. (Why I would do so doesn't matter.)
2. You claim otherwise.
3. You state that unless I can disprove the existence of the teapot, it exists.
Does the burden of proof rest on me or on you in this case? Does the order in which we made our claims actually matter?

 

[Chengar Qordath]

Second to last sentence: "[T]hey thought I might not be magical enough to come, you see." In other words, that he didn't have enough magical potential to get an Acceptance Letter. And this was after the incident where Neville Bounced. Thus they already knew that Neville had magic, but they were worried that it wasn't enough. So that can be taken as evidence that if there isn't great enough magical potential, a letter isn't sent.

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Well, it could also just be a sign that Neville's family was awful and had a really warped perspective.

 

[AbZHz101]

Well, it could also just be a sign that Neville's family was awful and had a really warped perspective.

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It could be, but we don't really have evidence one way or the other. The other people listening in are all around 11-17 but none of them said anything. This might be because they didn't notice, or because they didn't think anything was amiss.

This story also almost the only evidence we have about how the Wizarding World reacts to children who don't show magic immediately: either because they are a late bloomer, or because they don't have any. Rowling didn't focus on what happens to Squibs.

Also, Neville's family is an old Pureblood Family with strong Light ties. So this can be somewhat safely assumed to be the norm or moderate responses.

It is also likely that as a Pureblood family they would have the best chance to understand how the registrar works, either from familial experience or from stories of friends. Thus our best chance at having any information on how it works.

 

[Dr. Bob Doom]

with strong Light ties

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*sounds fanon klaxon*
There is no Light in Harry Potter. There's regular magic, and dark magic. Dark magic is badwrong. All other magic is not.

 

[AbZHz101]

*sounds fanon klaxon*
There is no Light in Harry Potter. There's regular magic, and dark magic. Dark magic is badwrong. All other magic is not.

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Well both his parents were in the Order of the Pheonix and his grandmother supports at least some of Dumbledore's which are arrayed at stemming Voldy and his followers power. He and his followers consider themselves and are considered to be Dark. Neville's family stands against the Dark. Excuse me for using shorthand.

 

[Dark Ness]

*sounds fanon klaxon*
There is no Light in Harry Potter. There's regular magic, and dark magic. Dark magic is badwrong. All other magic is not.

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It is more like they have Dumbledorain ties, and we don't even know that for sure, beyond Neville's parents.

 

[TearfulDevil]

First off, this quest is a genius idea. Thanks Vindictus.

Second, if you folks are just going to argue about canon, please take it to PMs or a discussion thread.

 

[Dr. Bob Doom]

Well both his parents were in the Order of the Pheonix and his grandmother supports at least some of Dumbledore's which are arrayed at stemming Voldy and his followers power. He and his followers consider themselves and are considered to be Dark. Neville's family stands against the Dark. Excuse me for using shorthand.

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The problem is that you're using shorthand that implies a spectrum that does not exist. It's like if we used a special word for every person that isn't Nazi. We don't have a word like that because one does not define the majority by the minority. There's Voldemort's Supporters, and everyone else.