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What was Iroh supposed to do for Azila exactly? Kidnap her? Try to get through to her with letters while she stays within Ozais reach?
I mean, I grant you not challenging Ozai for the Throne. I disagree with the idea that it would have made anything better, but it would have given him free reign in raising the kids at least. But barring that, I don't really see what he could have done for Azula.
 
Well I don't think anyone is expecting a miracle, but since the quest highlights the interpretation of him paying more attention to Zuko, and since Mai and Ty Lee clearly can enjoy spending time with her, it wouldn't be out of the reason for him to have spent some time with her as well as Zuko when he was still at the palace, done his best to impress on Azula that he didn't think she was irredeemable/that the offer to visit was open when he left (even if he didn't think she was likely to change her ways and she'd be unlikely to visit unless she wanted to for other reasons, Azula is smart and has a good memory and would have remembered that, given she remembered he didn't) and if he'd written some letters to Azula I think she'd have read them.

Again it wouldn't have necessarily changed anything In canon, but there were some things that wouldn't have been an unacceptable burden that could have meant, for example, that Azula may have been willing to go to Iroh in this update, even if she'd have not considered it any sooner than looking at his son's old quarters.
 
Honestly any option would probably have been insightful. Those two are too close to Azula (and survived being her friend, which given that it's not just her but her father to be concerned about is a show of insight) to not be able to dig deeper because they actually pay attention to her.

And... Both options in contention actually do go after Azula's idolization of her father if in different ways. And both don't hit everything.

You have almost nothing and almost no-one to rely on. You may have been too hasty in considering your friends irredeemably treacherous, but your mother still left and your brother still couldn't be bothered to stay. And beyond them all, only your father remains, and you can't stop yourself from realising that does not mean what you once thought it did.

Azula thinks that Ozai is all she has left. He loves her.

"I am not weird about my Father," you interrupt, eyes stiff with warning. "I love and respect him as both my parent and the Fire Lord. And he loves me. Zuko's problem is that he never figured out how to earn it. I did. "

What Azula doesn't say is that she thinks Ozai is the only one that does. Which yes is incredibly stupid but the girl has been isolated from healthy relationships. There is a reason she's failed to realized twice in a row that her uncle and brother were fighting to save her from the throne. Who despite disliking the burdens of the throne - realize that the throne drowned Azula and she doesn't have a chance of they thrust the responsibility on her. (It's one of the reasons Zuko is pointed out as looking 3 years older for once, he's acting as the protective older brother)

Hitting at the the Ozai is a terrible person who doesn't actually love Azula leaves the problem of her not actually understanding that Mai, Ty Lee and her Grandaunts who are actually Grandmas do. Nor the empty gulf of who she is besides the throne and a warrior.

14 year old child soldier raised by Ozai as nothing more than a child soldier and his reflection. Also apparently single-handedly been running a lot of the Fire Nation due to institutional rot from Fire Nation imperialism in general that probably got hyper charged when Ozai took over. Take that away and what is left? Azula doesn't know.

[ ] You. Princess Azula the Blue. Heir apparent to the Dragon Throne. Conqueror of Ba Sing Se. Half Roku—half Sozin. Where you are, so is the Fire Nation in all its rapacious glory. Yours is the blood and bone of empire. All the things you should have ever wanted to be. But sometimes you think of fire dancing under the Moon; of three girls and the horizon and a flight across half the world. Is that wrong? Are you wrong to dream—to think, so briefly, of being something more?

Mai and Ty Lee are not loyal to the Fire Nation primarily. Mai outright admits that she thinks it'd be better that neither Zuko or Azula took on the burden of the throne. And Ty Lee is Ty Lee.

Azula doesn't know herself outside of war, Ozai and the throne. They however were tangentially aware enough of her outside those roles to get her to dance in the festival.

"Why are we here, Mai?" you ask, voice quiet enough that it would be easy enough for her to pretend she hadn't heard at all.

"Because Ty Lee asked," she replies, punctuating the words with a bite of her roasted turtle-duck skewer.

"It must have been six or seven years since the last time," you say. "I don't know what possessed her to try asking again."

"It isn't so bad," Mai says, just as quiet. "Maybe it'd be a good thing if it isn't six or seven years until the next."

Before Ursa who liked the Fire Dancers left.

This option does not attack Ozai straight on - but it does build on who Azula is without the crown.

With either option - both Mai and Ty Lee are aware of Ozai's impact on Azula, they are aware of how Zuko lost his eye but it does come across as them putting the pieces together during the three day cycle.

"What, like it's worse than yours?" Mai rolls her eyes with such overwhelming drama it almost overshadows the disrespect of her retort. "Whatever. Ty Lee's right. You're going to be the Fire Lord. I don't know why you're being so silly about it now. There's only one person who can question you and you've been handling him your whole life. You can do it here too. So just do what you want."

The girls know that Ozai is dangerous - but they think that Azula is good at handling him - as opposed to the reality that she's twisted so much of her being to just exist in his approval.

"Now that's boring," Ty Lee says, bouncing up out of her seat to lean over your desk, elbows crinkling the layer of parchment that covers it. "They should have. That general with the stupid sideburns like he's shoved clams on his face always looks at me funny. Hearing you kicked his ass would have made my aura all sparkly."

"I would not dare waste Father's time."

Ty Lee looks over at Mai—who is looking over at Ty Lee—and then retreats from your desk to plop back down in her seat. Mai sits up straighter, no longer the very picture of a bored noblewoman in a dark sleeping gown and darker circles under her eyes.

"Okay, Azula," Mai says, gaze passing over the torches that frame either side of your luxurious, silk-and-velvet armchair before settling back on you. "We get the message. What's the plan for tomorrow?"

To their credit they put it together upon the first brush when Azula isn't acting like she has Ozai in hand. They never really go "Ozai wouldn't do that" - which probably means what happens is that if Azula starts indicating that Ozai is dangerous... that is the default assumption. With the only change being that Azula is no longer able to balance on the tightrope.

Well I don't think anyone is expecting a miracle, but since the quest highlights the interpretation of him paying more attention to Zuko, and since Mai and Ty Lee clearly can enjoy spending time with her, it wouldn't be out of the reason for him to have spent some time with her as well as Zuko when he was still at the palace, done his best to impress on Azula that he didn't think she was irredeemable/that the offer to visit was open when he left (even if he didn't think she was likely to change her ways and she'd be unlikely to visit unless she wanted to for other reasons, Azula is smart and has a good memory and would have remembered that, given she remembered he didn't) and if he'd written some letters to Azula I think she'd have read them.

I actually think this ignores Ozai. Ty Lee ran away to go to the circus but Mai's father is not exactly someone to be accused of competency. In this story it probably is not an accident that when Azula was getting to the age that say sending the heir presumptive to stay a summer or other season with a trusted friend to see life outside of the Imperial Palace Mai's father and her family ended up in the colonies.
 
I don't think it'd be such a tragedy that Iroh didn't put in more effort if there was nothing he could have done. He was sad about it when he saw a couple timelines ago that he could have made a difference and had chosen not to. That Azula is especially hurt (enough to still be outright refusing to consider it after many loops) due to being the subject thereof doesn't mean Iroh won't agree with her somewhat when this all finishes for real.
 
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I'd say Iroh is pretty depressed at the start. he's not engaging in any major ambitions in hopes of saving anyone and is just cruising around hoping he'll manage to get through to Zuko eventually. pretty strong lie down and give up vibes in my opinion.
What was Iroh supposed to do for Azila exactly? Kidnap her? Try to get through to her with letters while she stays within Ozais reach?
I mean, I grant you not challenging Ozai for the Throne. I disagree with the idea that it would have made anything better, but it would have given him free reign in raising the kids at least. But barring that, I don't really see what he could have done for Azula.
I think it's less what he could have done and more that he never thought to try, though honestly Azula is competent enough that if he'd attempted letters or contact by proxy via a certain elderly swordsman. Azula resents that Iroh dismissed her as real family that he should worry about or try to maintain some degree of closeness to. plus a distinct awareness that he is the man setting Zuko against her.
 


Crossover fanart I did between Arsonist's Lullaby and Doctor Who: A Deal with Time, in which Azula uses lightningbending to short-circuit The Doctor's sonic screwdriver.

I vaguely had a whole fanfic planned, where The Doctor comes up to investigate Azula being in a time loop, and also to visit Iroh who was a Companion in his pre-General days.

Went with mostly lineless marker art since I've been doing Inktober, so I haven't gotten the chance to use my markers much lately.
My first thought was "Tohou crossover?" The bleedthrough version has less of that vibe; probably something to do with the hats.
Young Iroh as a Dr. Who companion is a fun thought, though I'm nearly certain that would have more effect on his backstory than leaving it canon-compliant. At minimum he'd probably have more experience with imperialism and/or grief. Still, as vibes go it's solid.
 
I think it's less what he could have done and more that he never thought to try, though honestly Azula is competent enough that if he'd attempted letters or contact by proxy via a certain elderly swordsman. Azula resents that Iroh dismissed her as real family that he should worry about or try to maintain some degree of closeness to. plus a distinct awareness that he is the man setting Zuko against her.
The problem isn't getting the letter to Azula, it's getting her to listen to it when she already sees Iroh as a weak old has-been by the time he is finished with his own soul searching, so her first instict would be to either burn it or run to Ozai with it.

There is ultimately very little time between Iroh getting his character development done enough to even count as a good guy (at maximum two years between Lu Tens death and Zukos banishment, a significant chunk of which Iroh probably spent mourning and developing).

By the time he is even in an emotional position to perceive that Ozai is doing wrong by his children, Azula is very much at the point where he would have to directly contest Ozai to even get to her, which he cannot do. Let's remember that Iroh himself isn't sure he even could beat Ozai in a battle and has nowhere near the influence needed to contest his brother politically.

The idea that he didn't even try implies that he could have tried without risking everything else, or that there was any reason to believe he could get through to her without removing her from Ozais influence first. He only got through to Zuko because they spent three years away from the palace where he got to be his primary adult caretaker, Zuko is much less self assured than Azula, and he already had a better relationship with Zuko prior to flipping to the light side. And even then it barely worked. And while I agree that Azula isn't beyond redemption, I would very much argue that even in a vakuum, she's the harder of the two siblings to get there.

"He should have at least tried" implies that there could be any possibility of that working out well for anyone involved, which I just don't see. I wouldn't call him a coward for that any more than I would call someone a coward for not jumping out of a plane without a parachute.

Also, I think the idea that Iroh actively turned Zuko against Azula is her projecting a little bit. Yeah he didn't exactly council reconciliation, but I feel Azula gleefully taunting Zuko with a) his father going to kill him b) their mother no longer being around to protect him may have already done more damage on that front. Or her outward glee when he got his face burned off.

And yeah, "she's crazy and needs to go down" is flippantly cruel in isolation, but it was also at a time where they were actively fugitives and Azula has orders from Ozai to hunt them down. Not exactly the time to mend bridges.
 
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Given my drawing of my OC Miyako was called Touhou-like just for wearing a hat, I'm wondering if 'girl+hat' is all it takes?
Like, would we say Azula looks straight out of Touhou if we gave her a top hat or beret or something?

Cute girls in hats and, layered, anachronistic clothes are a big thing in Touhou, though part of the problem you might be running into is that multiple Touhou girls have a very similar hat and the hair isn't too far off for some of them. Here's a quick list:
 
Cute girls in hats and, layered, anachronistic clothes are a big thing in Touhou, though part of the problem you might be running into is that multiple Touhou girls have a very similar hat and the hair isn't too far off for some of them.

Miyako and especially The Doctor do both fit the 'anachronistic clothes' part.
And in fairness to Touhou, when you have that many characters it's kinda inevitable that some designs will end up similar
 
Given my drawing of my OC Miyako was called Touhou-like just for wearing a hat, I'm wondering if 'girl+hat' is all it takes?
Like, would we say Azula looks straight out of Touhou if we gave her a top hat or beret or something?
It's the combination of an at least mildly ornate and unusual hat, a multilayered dress, and lack of photorealism. Which one can mostly gloss as 'anime Victorian', although the hemlines go to the knees instead of the ankles. Also, the obvious magic furthers the impression.
Azula with a top hat on this site would be called a Trickster genderbend, although if it were small enough I suspect in some contexts she'd be accused of being from Hazbin Hotel. The beret would probably work if she was in robes, though. At least if it also incorporated her hairpiece.
 
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I think it's less what he could have done and more that he never thought to try, though honestly Azula is competent enough that if he'd attempted letters or contact by proxy via a certain elderly swordsman.
Although Ozai's spies would intercept the letters like what happened to Ursula and her lover Noren whom she had to leave him behind for his safety at the time. Before she left and be with Noren under a new faces from Koh's mother who makes them.
 
"I think I wish Uncle was here." Zuko sounds exasperated, each word clipped short like a bird within a cage. "You're so annoying it almost makes me want to start reciting proverbs. 'Are you so busy fighting you cannot see your own ship has set sail?'"

How marvellously profound. "That feckless old fool doesn't even know how useless he is, let alone anything of value."

Sorry I know this is really late (both in real time and there having been a chapter posted since this one) and my AtLA knowledge isn't top notch.

But wasn't this in fact not a proverb but instead Iroh pointing out that Zuko's ship was being stolen?

(Of course the fact that it does work as a proverb for Azula in her situation adds another layer of hilarity)
 
Sorry I know this is really late (both in real time and there having been a chapter posted since this one) and my AtLA knowledge isn't top notch.

But wasn't this in fact not a proverb but instead Iroh pointing out that Zuko's ship was being stolen?

(Of course the fact that it does work as a proverb for Azula in her situation adds another layer of hilarity)
It was, but that's what makes it funny.
 
Sorry I know this is really late (both in real time and there having been a chapter posted since this one) and my AtLA knowledge isn't top notch.

But wasn't this in fact not a proverb but instead Iroh pointing out that Zuko's ship was being stolen?

(Of course the fact that it does work as a proverb for Azula in her situation adds another layer of hilarity)

In the show, the joke was that the ship was actually being stolen, but the follow-up was Iroh then saying "Maybe it should be a proverb," as Zuko and the pirate (iirc) run off to try and stop it.
 
[X] You. Princess Azula the Blue. Heir apparent to the Dragon Throne. Conqueror of Ba Sing Se. Half Roku—half Sozin. Where you are, so is the Fire Nation in all its rapacious glory. Yours is the blood and bone of empire. All the things you should have ever wanted to be. But sometimes you think of fire dancing under the Moon; of three girls and the horizon and a flight across half the world. Is that wrong? Are you wrong to dream—to think, so briefly, of being something more?
 
[X] You. Princess Azula the Blue. Heir apparent to the Dragon Throne. Conqueror of Ba Sing Se. Half Roku—half Sozin. Where you are, so is the Fire Nation in all its rapacious glory. Yours is the blood and bone of empire. All the things you should have ever wanted to be. But sometimes you think of fire dancing under the Moon; of three girls and the horizon and a flight across half the world. Is that wrong? Are you wrong to dream—to think, so briefly, of being something more?

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azula crashing the prison riot
Congrats on the vote clearing you both. I have some fanart for the thread while OP Magery is doing site stuff :D

Azula Crashing the Prison Riot
 
It's honestly one of my favorite bits in this quest, the background detail of how frighteningly good Azula has become at firebending, and how little she's truly realized it. She's still so utilitarian, firebending can't get her out of the Loop so she doesn't think about it, even as she's progressed to the point that she can roll lightning across her knuckles like a Pai Sho tile.
 
It's honestly one of my favorite bits in this quest, the background detail of how frighteningly good Azula has become at firebending, and how little she's truly realized it. She's still so utilitarian, firebending can't get her out of the Loop so she doesn't think about it, even as she's progressed to the point that she can roll lightning across her knuckles like a Pai Sho tile.

If she's so good at firebending, why can't she beat Zuko?
 
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