...We do appear to have some quite significantly different reads here, yes.

Like, Azula at end-of-canon/start-of-looping, definitely. But start-of-quest Azula already wasn't that, and she's been improving, in terms of both morality and capability, quite a bit since, with at least one loop, but probably more, left.
Really?

I just want to check. Given the contents of the quest so far, what it actually says and what it implies about Azula, given her truths and realizations and everything we know about Azula's canon status, you actually and genuinely think that Azula is not a fucked-up and neglected girl whose issues spiral in part around all the expectations placed on her by her father and the throne?

I just want to make sure I understand your read correctly.
 
I wish it also to be noted that in the same discussion that started this whole "Zuko didn't know his squares at age six", it was Azula defending herself because at the same age, she thought starfish were literally fallen stars and that Zuko had to be wrong when he told her they weren't, and people made fun of her for it. Azula, now eight-to-nine-years older, recounts this in a sense that makes it clear she thinks that really, she won the argument because she argued from sound logic and Zuko is always wrong, and it's not her fault that the facts disagreed with her.

You know, like a smart and stable ruler would do.
 
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To be fair... the entire family is abit touched in the head (So this is honestly pretty stable compared to the rest of the bloodline)... all the way back from Sozin they have been touched in the head:

Sozin- Genocide and leaving a friend to die after getting beaten up by roku, also the thing with unifying his and roku's bloodlines
Azulon- Murder your firstborn for daring to try to cut infront of Iroh after he lost his son! (No damn chill...)
2 Sisters (for this quest)- Apparently willing to rehearse/coria graph their responses (If they didn't practice the bit in S2 where they told azula to leave the royal barge behind I will be very surpised... all probably a fair amount we aint seen
Ozai- Father of the year lady's and gentlemen! Also insane enough to go full Pheonix King and burn down his captured Capital (Ba Sing Se) for lulz (sure it was to break the oppositions hope... but frankly he probably could have just repeated the attack on the north with Sozins comet boosting to end the war if he hadn't gone full madman... or just waited till then before deploying Zhao and extrabuggering the northern water tribe**)
Iroh-Most well put together... and he still does... Odd... stuff (entire bit with the white dragon plant he mistook for tea in the earth kingdom and nearly killed himself through ingesting it)
Zuko-.... Do we really need to talk about him
Azula-If your reading this quest you already know her nuerosis...

Im frankly more baffled their HADN'T been uprisings/assassination/usurpation attempts by other firebending houses against Sozins bloodline tbh, as I sure as shit wouldn't trust them to lead given the back to back crazies churned out...

**Im convinced that if Zhao had been deployed north when Sozins comet was out and pulled his kill the moon shtick... he would have actually succeeded in ending the water tribe... (partially because Aang and the others would have had to move on/wouldn't be around during Sozins comet and partially because good luck holding against firebenders under the comet)
 
To be fair... the entire family is abit touched in the head (So this is honestly pretty stable compared to the rest of the bloodline)... all the way back from Sozin they have been touched in the head:

Sozin- Genocide and leaving a friend to die after getting beaten up by roku, also the thing with unifying his and roku's bloodlines
Azulon- Murder your firstborn for daring to try to cut infront of Iroh after he lost his son! (No damn chill...)
2 Sisters (for this quest)- Apparently willing to rehearse/coria graph their responses (If they didn't practice the bit in S2 where they told azula to leave the royal barge behind I will be very surpised... all probably a fair amount we aint seen
Ozai- Father of the year lady's and gentlemen! Also insane enough to go full Pheonix King and burn down his captured Capital (Ba Sing Se) for lulz (sure it was to break the oppositions hope... but frankly he probably could have just repeated the attack on the north with Sozins comet boosting to end the war if he hadn't gone full madman... or just waited till then before deploying Zhao and extrabuggering the northern water tribe**)
Iroh-Most well put together... and he still does... Odd... stuff (entire bit with the white dragon plant he mistook for tea in the earth kingdom and nearly killed himself through ingesting it)
Zuko-.... Do we really need to talk about him
Azula-If your reading this quest you already know her nuerosis...

Im frankly more baffled their HADN'T been uprisings/assassination/usurpation attempts by other firebending houses against Sozins bloodline tbh, as I sure as shit wouldn't trust them to lead given the back to back crazies churned out...

**Im convinced that if Zhao had been deployed north when Sozins comet was out and pulled his kill the moon shtick... he would have actually succeeded in ending the water tribe... (partially because Aang and the others would have had to move on/wouldn't be around during Sozins comet and partially because good luck holding against firebenders under the comet)

Why? Like, Sozin won. He destroyed the "enemies" of the Fire Nation and conquered a decent chunk of the Earth Kingdom.

Azulon then ruled for seventy years, and if they were seventy years of war that's at the very least a lot of stability.

Why would Fire Nation noble houses oppose any of this?
 
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Friendly reminder that not everyone was on board with genocide (even after a century of cultural indoctrination there are fire benders whom defect/white lotus benders). I expect it would have been MUCH greater when Sozin did his purge the air temples shtick... Also, declaring war kills trade typically (people won't trade with people they are wearing with unless there's a exemption in place)

So all the houses that had moral scruples and were built on trade... They would want blood (most likely Sozins). Azulon, he lead for 70 years (I forgot how long he reigned, he probably would have gotten a pass on the usurp list... But I expect a few fuck ups in the 70 years*)

*Especially if he was a fan on painful decisions (like what he tried to have ozai do)... Problem is we know nothing about him atm...

Tldr: 100 years ago Sozins BS would have killed trade and any morally sound houses would be enraged.
 
You'd have entire merchant empires rising up to exploit the resources of the colonies and facilitate trade between the mainland and the colonies. It wouldn't be good, perhaps, for those traditional Fire Nation Houses that gain their prominence specifically from a good trading/working relationship with, say, one of the Water Tribes or the Earth Kingdom or etc. That much is true.
 
Randino Treviani said:
The far better outcome is for a been considering how the fire nation needs to change for years Iroh to rule for the next decade while Zuko gets the education he missed out on while hunting the avatar and is slowly eased into duties of a fire nation prince to prepare him for the duties of firelord.
That could certainly work better than going straight to Zuko, depending on the version of Iroh used. It doesn't seem to be what Zuko and Iroh are actually trying to do here, though, in at least the majority of the loops.

Nope. Too busy Imagining how the situation looks on Ty Lee filters, and grumpy azula from how much Ty Lee's shipping is taking the fun out of things.
Hah! :D

Also, Ty Lee singing Kiss the boy in an Azula × Kuei omake when?
While Azula glares... and Kuei has his nose buried in a book and is vaguely aware there's some sort of noise going on in the area.

Nicholas Brooks said:
I'd like to see Azula try that for the lulz on one of the loops.
Hm. She might be desperate enough to escape the loops to take the risk that that actually got her out; it wouldn't be the worst outcome to continue from. Especially if she's expecting Zuko and the Fire Nation to ask for her back.

...Also, hah. Earth Queen Azula demands the return of the Fire Nation colonies on Earth Kingdom land?

Fire Lord Momo has a nice ring to it.
Ahh, going for outside the box solutions. :D

Tempera said:
Really?

I just want to check. Given the contents of the quest so far, what it actually says and what it implies about Azula, given her truths and realizations and everything we know about Azula's canon status, you actually and genuinely think that Azula is not a fucked-up and neglected girl whose issues spiral in part around all the expectations placed on her by her father and the throne?

I just want to make sure I understand your read correctly.
That wasn't the part I was disagreeing with.
You also said:
I can't believe there are people who unironically think that Azula would be a good leader, or that Azula should be a leader
and, referring to Azula and particularly that this was part of the central thrust of the quest:
who shouldn't be allowed within one hundred miles of a throne for her own good

And I do unironically think that that Azula, with the development she's going through and can be expected to continue going through before getting out of the loops, would indeed be a good leader and should indeed be Fire Lord, unless the office is to be abolished entirely or something, or a different dynasty altogether brought in. And I speculated in the comment you're replying to that her becoming a good enough Fire Lord might well be the or at least a main goal of the loops.

Mister Bad Guy said:
Azula, now eight-to-nine-years older, recounts this in a sense that makes it clear she thinks that really, she won the argument because she argued from sound logic and Zuko is always wrong, and it's not her fault that the facts disagreed with her.

You know, like a smart and stable ruler would do.
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"Yes you are," Mai says, as if your thoughts had somehow shown on your face—an absurd prospect, of course. "I remember when you thought the reason they were called starfish was that they fell from the sky, and you wouldn't believe any of us when we told you because Zuko had also disagreed and you were convinced he couldn't be right about anything."

How dare she.

You were six.

And more importantly, your logic was sound! Trusting Zuko, who didn't even know his square numbers by then, now that would have been stupid!
I read that differently? She made the decision based on what she thought at the time was sound logic. What else was she supposed to do, do something that she actively thought was incorrect? Her reasoning was wrong, of course, but she knows that now, and mentally points out she was six with the implication that she's grown past that.
 
I mean, she's still justifying her logic within that scene, so I'm not sure you can say she's grown past it. To clarify, I'm not saying the implication of that whole scene is that Azula is fundamentally Targaryen-level deranged and has been since she was six. I'm saying that judging Zuko's leadership capabilities by the standards of Azula insulting his intelligence in a scene where she admitted to doing something no less stupid at the same age, and still seems to have failed to learn her lesson from the whole thing (that is to say, thinking something is inherently false because Zuko said it was true is bad logic), is profoundly not getting the point of it. Like, the joke is that Azula is petty, spiteful, and unwilling to admit fault, not that Zuko is stupid.

From my perspective, I think the arc she's going for here, with regards to her status as a potential ruler, is that her quest to grab power over others was always rooted in a hollow attempt at self-actualization where she'd convinced herself that being Powerful and Perfect was the only way she could matter, and when she ultimately found out that it didn't make her happy or beloved and instead left her empty and alone, something inside of her broke. If the way she resolves that arc is by training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to become the greatest firebender in the world and the ruler of half the planet, it feels like that would be missing the point just a wee bit. It'd be like if a rehabilitation clinic awarded the patients who managed to get clean of drugs with a lifetime supply of cocaine.
 
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[X] Sozin. The visionary. The genius. The conqueror. Every living person in the world must know his name—and for the last hundred years, most of the dead as well. What led him there? What made him decide to burn the world down, a century before you ever thought the same? And at the end… what did he think of it all?
 
I wonder if breaking the loops first mean breaking the learned fear/awe of her father/abuser. It would be very poetic. Just as she breaks through the helplessnes, so too would she break through to freedom.

Also, #AzulaforFireLord
If Zuko can do it, pretty sure she can too /semijoking
 
From my perspective, I think the arc she's going for here, with regards to her status as a potential ruler, is that her quest to grab power over others was always rooted in a hollow attempt at self-actualization where she'd convinced herself that being Powerful and Perfect was the only way she could matter, and how she ultimately found out that it didn't make her happy or beloved and instead left her empty and alone. If the way she resolves that arc is by training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to become the greatest firebender in the world and the ruler of half the planet, it feels like that would be missing the point just a wee bit. It'd be like if a rehabilitation clinic awarded the patients who managed to get clean of drugs with a lifetime supply of cocaine.
I tend to align with Reese here. I certainly agree that something like "Azula thinks she wants to be Powerful and Perfect but it isn't working" is true, but at the same time, I don't think it would be best for Azula if she overcorrected and went and joined Ty Lee in the circus as a firebreather.

Part of her personality core is a determined pursuit of excellence and ambition, and those are not negative traits. Indeed, they're part of what her friends like about her. Azula ought to come out of the loops with some direction she can channel that energy.

There's good reasons for that not to be "Fire Lord Azula", but where does she go instead? There really isn't a good place for her outside the Fire Nation. Maybe complementing a Fire Lord Zuko she's been reconciled to is the right path after all? I had dismissed it earlier, but perhaps too hastily.

The canon timeline already has her not ending up Fire Lord, but surviving for later potential personal growth -- and as you say, she's fourteen; she'd have plenty of time for that. If whatever was causing the loops wanted her to experience that growth but not end up Fire Lord, why not start them after she'd already lost to Zuko?
I can see a good answer to this actually. My understanding of the comics is that after her fall, Azula basically never recovers, remaining fixated on trying to retake power. The loops are a really good way to prevent her from getting stuck on an internal "lost cause" narrative, where if only events had gone differently, she could have had everything.
 
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I ultimately want Azula to end up ruling instead of Zuko for the simple reason that powerful evil women ruling is cool and good and mediocre "ok i guess" men ruling is boring and overplayed :V
 
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I ultimately want Azula to end up ruling instead of Zuko for the simple reason that powerful evil women ruling is cool and good and mediocre "ok i guess" men ruling is boring and overplayed :V
Well ideally Azula won't be evil when we are done with her. Tho I am hoping she'll still retain at least some of her edge.
 
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[x] Iroh. Coward. General. Prince. Once, he was the favoured heir, a legendary firebender, the greatest hero the Fire Nation had known since Sozin—now he's a pathetic, doddering fool who thinks he can make everything right with tears and tea. How did he fall so far? How can he possibly think he's still able to rise?

Sozin more like snooze boom got em
 
[x] Iroh. Coward. General. Prince. Once, he was the favoured heir, a legendary firebender, the greatest hero the Fire Nation had known since Sozin—now he's a pathetic, doddering fool who thinks he can make everything right with tears and tea. How did he fall so far? How can he possibly think he's still able to rise?

Sozin more like snooze boom got em
Voting's closed, though what you voted for won, so yay?
 
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God fucking damn it yeah only 5 hours late not to bad
 
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Mister Bad Guy said:
I mean, she's still justifying her logic within that scene, so I'm not sure you can say she's grown past it.
Justifying past logic is distinct from asserting the continued correctness of the premises that logic was based on. If someone said that the sky in one of their childhood drawings was bright green because they thought the actual sky was bright green then, that would just explain the drawing (and raise the question of why they thought that then), not say that they still thought the sky was bright green.

And I don't think Zuko is stupid, to be clear, just that his skillset is increasingly less suited to being Fire Lord than Azula's.

If the way she resolves that arc is by training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to become the greatest firebender in the world and the ruler of half the planet, it feels like that would be missing the point just a wee bit. It'd be like if a rehabilitation clinic awarded the patients who managed to get clean of drugs with a lifetime supply of cocaine.
If all she was doing was increasing her combat potential and setting herself up for greater conquests, yeah. That isn't all she's doing, though, and to me it seems off to have her go through all that development, end up pretty objectively the best candidate for Fire Lord... and then still step aside.

kylina said:
I wonder if breaking the loops first mean breaking the learned fear/awe of her father/abuser. It would be very poetic. Just as she breaks through the helplessnes, so too would she break through to freedom.
Oh, yes, I don't know if that's sufficient, but I do expect it's necessary.

In addition to the other aspects of it, internalizing just how bad a ruler and person her father is and overcoming him seem like good steps on the path to being a better one.

Julian Bradshaw said:
I can see a good answer to this actually. My understanding of the comics is that after her fall, Azula basically never recovers, remaining fixated on trying to retake power. The loops are a really good way to prevent her from getting stuck on an internal "lost cause" narrative, where if only events had gone differently, she could have had everything.
Hm. I don't think they are a really good way of doing that, though, unless it's going to turn out that all of this was a dream or the like. If we instead assume that the time loops are real (in the quest's universe, of course), then there'd be much more efficient ways to achieve the objective you describe there -- a sufficiently impactful dream might well be best, in fact. The time loops would seem to indicate an actual attempt to change the past, not just help Azula come to terms with the past, and since as far as we know everything and everyone except Azula reset each loop, the main thing changing is her. If she is supposed to be changing to in turn change the world, with some set of actions in this specific period, well, the way things went originally already had Ozai defeated, already had Zuko and Iroh/the White Lotus in charge, etc. And steadily, Azula is becoming a better person, becoming more in touch with her fire, gaining a better understanding of the situation... does it make more sense for all of this to be happening with the goal of just having Azula become an advisor to Zuko, or a great Fire Lord in her own right?
 
"You're so lost in your myopic self-righteousness you can't even comprehend what I'm saying, can you?" Your lips threaten to curl into a snarl—so you let them, baring your teeth so each word comes more bitten than said. "Nothing more than a hollow hypocrite, who ran from Lu Ten, who ran from Father, who ran and ran and ran and ran until he finally found enough children to hide behind. All you do is preach about peace and temperance and forgiveness and tea and hope someone else does the dirty work because it's easier than confronting the fact you failed your son, you failed your throne, you failed to stop Father burning Zuko, and after all that you even failed to stop me from taking him back home anyway."

Without wholly realising when it happened, you find yourself nose-to-nose with Iroh, glaring into his golden eyes—the only thing the two of you have ever shared.

"Why are you even here?" Each syllable shatters out like glass. "Too scared to let Zuko face me alone, too scared to fight me instead! What is the point of you, Dragon of the West? I'd almost think you were clever for managing to swan in at the very end, waiting in the wings because if Zuko wins he's young enough to need a regent and then the throne is yours and you've never even needed to lift a finger. But you're not, because I know what you are."

You dig your fingers into your cloak—the thick, heavy trappings of the Fire Lord.

"You're terrified. Of this. Of the Dragon Throne. Of the responsibility. Because deep down you're the same tired old fool who left Lu Ten to die under a ton of rubble and didn't even love him enough to burn Ba Sing Se to the ground for it and you think you're just going to do it again if you ever have to run anything more serious than your stupid little tea shop."

A smile splits your lips like a razor.

"So lie to yourself about destiny all you want, Uncle Iroh. Maybe if you say it enough times, you might even believe it."

In the silence that follows, you're not panting for breath at all.

Iroh's expression is—there's fury, and there's grief, and there's bewilderment, and there's a dozen other things you can't place at all. The air around him smokes and shimmers, but not a lick of flame curls from his mouth or hands.

"You make it easy to forget how young you are, Azula," he says eventually, quiet the way the battlefield is, once only corpses remain. "That is my error, to have believed the same lie you show the rest of the world. It does not forgive the words you have spoken, or the wounds you have tried to shove your fingers in so you can see how deep I bleed. But it does lend your approach a surprising… familiarity."

He sighs, and the Dragon of the West falls away like so many unwashed clothes to reveal the tired man beneath.

"And beyond that still: nothing you have said to me is something I have not said to myself. But where you think that is weakness, I have come to learn that it is strength." Before you can quite react, he reaches out a large hand and presses you back, firm but without violence. You slap his arm away almost immediately in the aftermath. "I am an old man, with an old man's regrets, and an old man's mistakes. Every day, I wake to them."

He smiles, small and worn and strong, like a stone ground clean by the weight of a river.

"That is not such a bad thing. It is how life reminds me that there are always more lessons to be found." Iroh folds his fingers over his stomach. "No single step paves the road, but it is only when you stop to look back that you may see how far you have come. I hope that when you stop, Azula, you look back and feel as proud as I have learned to be."
I was so glad to have been part of the discord convos that preceded this. It's produced something incredible.
"I am beginning to understand," he says, heavy and slow, like each word is being cut out of his heart, "that I will wake tomorrow to a far greater history of mistakes than I thought I had carried here today. I do not hate you, Azula. My niece. I was arrogant to say I felt sorry for you. I hardly think I even know who you are."

Iroh shakes his head, ponderous with disgust, but not—not aimed at you?

"All I know is that if I allow you to fight Zuko, and Zuko to fight you, I will be making the same mistake I have been making since before I lost Lu Ten." He breathes in, and you can feel the scrape of his flame against your own, like flint sparking across flint. "If this family must see one more day of violence, let it not be a brother against a sister, a sister against a brother. Let it be instead an uncle who is finally willing to trade pointers with his niece."

His smile is shallow, and watery, and undeniably, hatefully there.

"Come, Princess Azula. Let us see if this failure of a teacher has anything you might, one day, feel interested enough to learn."

"I will never," you snarl, "want to learn anything from you."

Lightning crawls through your veins and plunges out of your skin.

"That, too," he says with palpable grief, "is my error."

You cannot bear to look at him any longer.

"Clear the plaza!" you howl, brushing past Mai and Ty Lee and even the hesitant hand Zuko reaches toward your sparking arm.

How dare Iroh pretend, after all these years, that he's finally willing to see you?

How dare he pretend that he regrets only ever choosing Zuko?

How dare he pretend that he actually cares?

How dare he?

"If you wanted me to listen to a word you've said, Uncle," you say, hurling the Fire Lord's cloak to the side as easily as your Father hurled it to you, "then maybe—"

(—he shouldn't have been so late.)
Ow.

The kicker, I think, is that this is maybe the first loop which would make the foundation of a happy ending, in its way, or at least the start of one. I tend to think that the crux of Azula's problem is that she kind of is as good as she says she is, almost, and that means she's strong-willed and unwilling to cut herself any slack, enough that she can't quite blind herself to her flaws and misdeeds (even if she won't speak them aloud as flaws or misdeeds), nor does she appreciate any attempt to forgive or redeem her that tries to sweep them aside or even agree with her that what she's done was based and right. She needs someone who can look at the whole of her, without sugarcoating, and still offer forgiveness, and unfortunately the kind of people who are ready and able to do that are in short supply.
What a stupid question.

You don't need reasons like that.

You're just going to save them because, after everything, they're still your friends.
Dawww.
So who exactly is she reminding Iroh of with her attempt to stab him in his grief? Ozai? Azulon?
So, there have already been a couple of answers to this (my fault for swanning in so late, it's been a bad few days), but I think rather than Zuko or Azulon the answer is that Azula is reminding Iroh of himself here. Crilltic hit the nail on the head here, I think; Iroh hates his younger self, and Azula is in many ways a mirror of that younger Iroh. Worse, she's a mirror of a younger Iroh if he'd stayed the course;
Because deep down you're the same tired old fool who left Lu Ten to die under a ton of rubble and didn't even love him enough to burn Ba Sing Se to the ground for it
Like, there isn't a chance in hell Iroh didn't struggle with exactly this urge, in the aftermath of Lu Ten's death. What ultimately changed Iroh is he had to confront this not as a thought exercise or a secondhand idea, but firsthand, in the heat, and realise how futile and empty that kind of vengeance would be. Maybe if Azula had been in his shoes, she'd have had the same revelation - but there again, maybe she wouldn't have. Maybe she really would have (tried to) make Ba Sing Se a funeral pyre for her son, and that's the kind of thought that would never sit well with Iroh, partly because he's stood at that crossroads and realised how cruel someone would have to be to walk that path, how desperately they'd need to be stopped, and partly because it reminds him how close he came to being that person.
Honestly, that would be a great fic. Precocious 11 year old Azula stows aboard Zuko's frigate and spends the next 3 years being a source of mutual comfort, annoyance, and humility for Zuko. For humors sake, she also is inducted into uncles secret society. No, not the white lotus. The colonial black market tea traders Union.
I'd swear I saw this premise on Ao3, actually.
 
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Kinda curious if Azula will call him out on that if she learns his past now... that would hurt like hell honestly (getting called out by your not mini-me) would probably suck for Iroh... though he would dumpster her afterwords (if the fought like this again)*

Though... I kinda am curious about what Azula would think of learning Irohs lightning redirect is actually something he invented after looking at waterbenders (if i remember correctly)... may open her up to looking at the other elemental styles just to nick bits...


*As Iroh is beyond her atm (Whether that is because he can take her out without lethal force, he is forced to go lethal due to her getting upskilled through loop training or her accidentally immolating herself from her inner flame going out of control (which was raised as a possible reason) is up for debate...)
 
Did the loop repeat right here before she 'died' or was captured?

She mentions still having about 12 hours left a little earlier, when waiting for Zuko to show up, so I think not. It seems like we're just skipping over the actual fights or end scenes of loops.


"With the dragons as my witness, I am Zuko, son of Ursa, son of Ozai, brother of Azula, prince of the Fire Nation," he says, "and I challenge you to an Agni Kai."

You laugh. It's not wild. Just a little angry.

"I am Azula, daughter of Phoenix King Ozai, daughter of Ursa, sister of Zuko, heir apparent to the Fire Nation, and I reject your challenge."

You throw yourself forward on a sea of blue fire.

The first one cuts off with her on the attack and gives no indication what the outcome was, too.
 
Did the loop repeat right here before she 'died' or was captured?
I doubt it, considering how earlier in that conversation she took the time to note that she had about twelve hours until the loop ended.

I'm relatively sure that this is just continuing the pattern that we've already seen a little bit of - it doesn't matter who wins that final Agni Kai, and it's a deliberate choice that we don't get to see the outcomes of any of them. Neither victory nor defeat in there will end up contributing towards escaping the cycle; and so besides the needless affirmation of Azula's firebending skills, the only thing that'd come of seeing the result written out is that we would get to see a pointless (albeit dramatic) fight scene repeated, over and over, losing impact every time until by the point we presumably do see the 'real' outcome at the end of the quest it's lost a lot of its luster.
 
the only thing that'd come of seeing the result written out is that we would get to see a pointless (albeit dramatic) fight scene repeated, over and over, losing impact every time until by the point we presumably do see the 'real' outcome at the end of the quest it's lost a lot of its luster.
Until eventually the short term goal becomes "how can this loop be finished off via means other than dueling?"

Maybe a game of Pai Sho.
 
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