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Anderson Quest: Killing Vampires and Werewolves and Leprechauns (Hellsing/Bloodborne)

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APL 123AZ said:
Dark Soul's 'souls' aren't actually souls. (Say that three times fast!) Its closer to a sort of life energy than anything Anderson would connect the word with.
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Wait...really? I know they were literally human souls in Demon's Souls...each one ripped from one of the land's citizens by the Demons, turning them into the traditional zombie-like enemies from throughout the series.

Although, I do recall something about all lifeforms (including plants, I seem to recall) having souls in the Dark Souls setting...guess it was changed along with the setting.
 
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Higure said:
Wait...really? I know they were literally human souls in Demon's Souls...each one ripped from one of the land's citizens by the Demons, turning them into the traditional zombie-like enemies from throughout the series.

Although, I do recall something about all lifeforms (including plants, I seem to recall) having souls in the Dark Souls setting...guess it was changed along with the setting.
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Isn't Dark Souls a different setting from Demon's Soul?
 
Higure said:
Yes, but considering they kept the term "souls" (such as "blood echoes") rather than changing it to something else, I kinda assumed we were talking about the same thing.
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I mean, on the other hand, by that interpretation, that means the average random ghoul sitting in a grave yard has killed at least twenty or so other people. That's serious serial killer levels.

And Iudex has killed enough people to build his arena out of corpses-- Okay, I can see that one being a thing.

But don't even get me started on some of the more ludicrous things, like the lizardmen at Archdragon Peak who each drop a little less than four thousand souls. Or the Drakeblood knights; the first guy called up in the sequence drops eight thousand flat.
 
Considering that Anderson is founding a branch of the catholic church on another plane, how are the cardinals and bishops going to be appointed without the pope?
Is there going to be a papal regent position made to carry out the duties of the pope on this plane until contact with the main church is reestablished?
 
Pharohman777 said:
Considering that Anderson is founding a branch of the catholic church on another plane, how are the cardinals and bishops going to be appointed without the pope?
Is there going to be a papal regent position made to carry out the duties of the pope on this plane until contact with the main church is reestablished?
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I guess?

I mean, the whole "other world" thingy is a bit of an OCP for the usual church setup.

So when contact's reestablished, so long as it's close enough to be integrated in, it should work out.
 
Honestly, I'd be a bit doubtful of how well Anderson would stack up in Dark Souls. You can make the argument of him being a blender in Yharnam, but the gulf between mechanical representation and actual power level is significantly wider in Dark Souls.

Though on the bright side, he'd be fighting beside other people who don't die when they're killed. Small favours and all that. :V
 
chocolote12 said:
I mean, on the other hand, by that interpretation, that means the average random ghoul sitting in a grave yard has killed at least twenty or so other people. That's serious serial killer levels.

And Iudex has killed enough people to build his arena out of corpses-- Okay, I can see that one being a thing.

But don't even get me started on some of the more ludicrous things, like the lizardmen at Archdragon Peak who each drop a little less than four thousand souls. Or the Drakeblood knights; the first guy called up in the sequence drops eight thousand flat.
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That's a reasonable point...especially considering they respawn. I suppose you could blame timeline shenanigans or something, but the numbers do get rather crazy. So, I'll at least concede that it's doubtful each "soul" is an entire soul. That's kind backed by the "soul" items, too, which seem to indicate that one soul contains multiple "souls." That said, those items also indicate that these are at least somewhat literal souls: They are literally described as "Soul of an X," after all. Perhaps the numbers represent some abstract unit of spiritual strength or some such.

Frankly, it's all very hard to be sure about.
 
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Higure said:
That's a reasonable point...especially considering they respawn. I suppose you could blame timeline shenanigans or something, but the numbers do get rather crazy. So, I'll at least concede that it's doubtful each "soul" is an entire soul. That's kind backed by the "soul" items, too, which seem to indicate that one soul contains multiple "souls." That said, those items also indicate that these are at least somewhat literal souls: They are literally described as "Soul of an X," after all. Perhaps the numbers represent some abstract unit of spiritual strength or some such.

Frankly, it's all very hard to be sure about.
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I'd say the soul points are like soul protein, and the soul items are like soul bodies, which can be eaten like soul steaks.

Because people can accumulate souls the points and a soul the item.
 
They probably just call it 'souls' because referring to it as soul energy is a fucking mouthful.

That and the number is almost certainly abstract. You can assume that number is just the total value of the souls you carry in you.
 
I dunno, I like to assume each kill really is one soul for the mooks, and there's just a lot more than you see ingame.

But that's my love of horde-slaughtering going on.

Bigger mooks obviously slaughtered lesser mooks.

Like a mooky life cycle.
 
I just always assumed it was basically how many generic souls the energ within the entity is equal to. Like if a newly created human would yield 1 soul, then scale from there.

This does lead to the theoretical assumption that 30,001 babies could beat Priscilla in a battle, but I'll leave that for Vs. Debate.
 
Xantalos said:
This does lead to the theoretical assumption that 30,001 babies could beat Priscilla in a battle, but I'll leave that for Vs. Debate.
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Possession of energy and the ability to express it are different. If an infant has base attack damage, and Priscilla has enough defense to nullify at least 1 point of damage, the actual damage becomes:

30001 x (1 - 1) = 0

In other words: DR is king.
 
Higure said:
Possession of energy and the ability to express it are different. If an infant has base attack damage, and Priscilla has enough defense to nullify at least 1 point of damage, the actual damage becomes:

30001 x (1 - 1) = 0

In other words: DR is king.
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Dark Soul Bosses don't have any DR.

Given you can beat the game at SL1...
 
Higure said:
Possession of energy and the ability to express it are different. If an infant has base attack damage, and Priscilla has enough defense to nullify at least 1 point of damage, the actual damage becomes:

30001 x (1 - 1) = 0

In other words: DR is king.
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Well, I suppose using infants as troops could work as a psychological weapon... though the effect won't last for long, and the enemy is very pissed off (assuming this is an enemy that has morals and/or standards) once it wears off.

... wait, why am I discussing this? :oops:
 
This point may have already been made in this discussion...but what if every sentient being in the Dark Souls verse naturally possesses multiple souls without having to murder other people?

For that matter, it may be possible for a human or god to create/accumulate souls without consuming them from others...it's just that we don't see this happen within the game, due to violence being the quickest means for soul acquisition.
 
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