Anderson Quest: Killing Vampires and Werewolves and Leprechauns (Hellsing/Bloodborne)

Given that there are a few hints that the Cleric Beast IS Ludwig, him dropping both is not unbelievable.

Wait, what?

Sword Hunter badge states that Ludwig was the first Church Hunter, and that many Church Hunters were clerics. It doesn't say anything about Ludwig being a cleric himself.

Also,

[X] Look for Gehrman, talk to him

Are Chalice Dungeons a thing in this quest?
 
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Wait, what?

Sword Hunter badge states that Ludwig was the first Church Hunter, and that many Church Hunters were clerics. It doesn't say anything about Ludwig being a cleric himself.

Also,

[X] Look for Gehrman, talk to him

Are Chalice Dungeons a thing in this quest?
Given what you said, is it not unreasonable to assume that Ludwig is a cleric if many Church Hunters were Clerics?
 
I personally don't buy the theory that Cleric Beast = Ludwig. If Ludwig did transform into a beast, I think he'd be something more fearsome than Vicar Amelia instead of 'first boss' material considering the majesty of his Holy Blade.

Alternatively, I think he appears elsewhere, and not even as a Beast. Do not forget the Forgotten Madman boss you fight in the Chalice Dungeons who wields both the Ludwig's Holy Blade and Ludwig's Rifle. He's also skilled with Arcane, keeps his blade buffed with the Empty Phantasm Shell, and Ludwig's Holy Blade is supposed to be particularly good with Arcane Scaling, more so than the other weapons...and he has a unique set unlocked after you beat him that has lore stating that the Forgotten Madman had connections to the Healing Church before he got lost in the Chalice Dungeons.

But that's just my theory.
 
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I personally don't buy the theory that Cleric Beast = Ludwig. If Ludwig did transform into a beast, I think he'd be something more fearsome than Vicar Amelia instead of 'first boss' material considering the majesty of his Holy Blade.

Alternatively, I think he appears elsewhere, and not even as a Beast. Do not forget the Forgotten Madman boss you fight in the Chalice Dungeons who wields both the Ludwig's Holy Blade and Ludwig's Rifle. He's also skilled with Arcane, keeps his blade buffed with the Empty Phantasm Shell, and Ludwig's Holy Blade is supposed to be particularly good with Arcane Scaling, more so than the other weapons...and he has a unique set unlocked after you beat him that has lore stating that the Forgotten Madman had connections to the Healing Church before he got lost in the Chalice Dungeons.

But that's just my theory.
Why can't he be both? Yharnam isn't exactly a place of consistent timelines, after all, due to Old Ones fucking up everything.
 
Given what you said, is it not unreasonable to assume that Ludwig is a cleric if many Church Hunters were Clerics?

It's not unreasonable, but someone with that much lore behind him being introductory boss material just doesn't sit right with me. All the item descriptions say is that he was the first Church Hunter, and it even distinguishes that not all of the church hunters were clerics. Personally I think he was one of Gehrman's apprentices who Laurence picked up and told to train new hunters, and is probably long dead in the waking world.
 
It's not unreasonable, but someone with that much lore behind him being introductory boss material just doesn't sit right with me. All the item descriptions say is that he was the first Church Hunter, and it even distinguishes that not all of the church hunters were clerics. Personally I think he was one of Gehrman's apprentices who Laurence picked up and told to train new hunters, and is probably long dead in the waking world.

Most of the theory came from the fact that after slaying the Cleric Beast you get access to Hunter Chief Emblem in the Messangers' Bath, which is Ludwig's personal badge he used to end the nightly hunts for the Church.
 
Most of the theory came from the fact that after slaying the Cleric Beast you get access to Hunter Chief Emblem in the Messangers' Bath, which is Ludwig's personal badge he used to end the nightly hunts for the Church.
Contradicted by the badge on the Cleric Beast again. If it was Ludwig, then it would have either the Hunter Chief's Badge or the Radiant Sword Hunter Badge (likely both) on it.

It's a nice bit of fanon, admittedly.
 
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Might be a good idea to check in with Gherman; you picked up some knickknacks during your jolly little murder spree that you hope he can identify.

Plus, it seemed like he was thankful for someone to talk to last time. You enter the house along the path not presently occupied by a dozing insult to biology and find the old man tinkering with some odds and ends.

"Enjoy your first visit to Yharnam?" he asks without turning around. "Welcoming bunch, aren't they?"

"I just stabbed a giant yelling goatwolfgorilla to death."

"Standard Yharnam evening," he replies. "At least it was memorable, no?" He puts the metal bits down and turns his chair to face you, giving you a hollow smile. "I heard the little ones splashing around just now. Did they give you something?"

You reach into your sleeve and produce the massive blade. To his credit, Gehrman shows no sign of befuddlement at your four-dimensional clothing.

"May I?" he asks. Nodding, you place it in his outstretched arms. He turns it this way and that, heedless of its tremendous weight as he runs a finger over the edge and the etchings. He hefts it in one hand and gives it a few experimental swings, both with and without the "sheath" attached.

"One of Laurence's designs. He wasn't always the most pragmatic when it came to weapons, but I can't deny that his works are handsome things." He hands it back to you and you spirit it away once again.

"So why, exactly, is this thing two weapons at once?" you ask.

"Originally, it was a materials issue," he answers, plucking a serrated blade from the wall. "Hunters needed some versatility in their weaponry, but supplies weren't plentiful. They used to be somewhat underground, y'see; couldn't risk drawing attention to themselves by buying huge lumps of metal and lumber. After that, it became more tradition than anything." He snaps the blade forward and the handle unfurls, turning it from a hand saw into a long cleaver.

"In my humble opinion, they've never managed to improve on the originals. Better materials now, sure, but never better designs." He hangs the weapon back up, his smile gaining a brief moment of solidity.

"Anything else, Father?" he asks, turning to you.

"Yeah, actually," you reply, fishing about in your sleeves. "Found a couple'a whatsits while I was down there." You present the weird helix rock and the little blood marble to him for examination.

"That," he says, pointing to the former, "is a shard of blood stone. Certain types of blood harden after death. Hunters will use these to strengthen their weapons, since it carries an edge well and is incredibly strong for its weight. If you'd like, I can show you how it's done, although you'll need a few more shards to get anything meaningful out of it."

"The other is coldblood, which is something similar. Hunters, true Hunters, gain strength through the 'blood echoes' of what they slay. Coldblood is essentially a conglomeration of echoes. Since you didn't come from Yharnam, you won't be able to get strength from them, but you could probably trade these with the Messengers for material."

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Why can't he be both? Yharnam isn't exactly a place of consistent timelines, after all, due to Old Ones fucking up everything.


hey don't pin that shit on the great ones, the situation in yharnam is the result of human error.

Laurence didn't fear the old blood enough, the mensis ritual was ballsed up drove Micolash crazy, killed the rest of the ritual-goers, and served as a lure for evil forces, and finally the player character killed rom, who was holding the blood moon, and all the shit that came with it, back.

these are the things that lead to the various issues with yharnam.

human error.
 
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[X] "True" Hunters
-[X] Who was Laurence? He a friend of yours?

Probably best for us to get to know the head of the Heathen cult running the place. Also, more lore
 
[X] "True" Hunters
-[X] Who was Laurence? He a friend of yours?

Probably best for us to get to know the head of the Heathen cult running the place. Also, more lore


heathen cult?

at least the Great ones answer people praying to them... now that answer may turn you into a squid headed brain sucker, or drive you completely insane... but you'll get your prayers answered at least.
 
heathen cult?

at least the Great ones answer people praying to them... now that answer may turn you into a squid headed brain sucker, or drive you completely insane... but you'll get your prayers answered at least.
Whether it's a heathen cult or not has nothing to do with the validity of prayers. It simply means that it's not part of (or doesn't acknowledge) the Abrahamic God.
 
Whether it's a heathen cult or not has nothing to do with the validity of prayers. It simply means that it's not part of (or doesn't acknowledge) the Abrahamic God.



its not a cult, its a full on religion... and honestly the great ones have better track record so far than old YHWH, when it comes to actually doing shit, they gave people superhuman with the blood, they give humans insight into the nature of reality, hell they helped forge the hunters dream and allow for the beasts to be stopped.

ol YHWH just has a bunch of petty dickery and pointless genocide on his record.
 
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