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Anderson Quest: Killing Vampires and Werewolves and Leprechauns (Hellsing/Bloodborne)
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[X] Drag him back
-[X] Make him apologize to Ebrietas for running away!
-[X] Make him apologize to Ebrietas for running away!
I very much agree. Alfred is the last member of an extinct religious order who's responded to the isolation and growing sense of obsolescence by convincing himself that the Executioners' purpose is some grand, world-defining crusade that he alone can complete. Left to his own devices, he'll either fail and die, or succeed and then commit suicide because he has nothing left to live for.
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Because we have a Nightmare to return to and we don't need to assist him in his suicide.
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The real issue is that the Head of that order, his idol and essentially God, is both alive and guarding the thing that Alfred is about to try to assault. Logarius will not agree with Alfred's plan and Alfred will not kill Logarius - I don't know if he would try, but he wouldn't succeed.
This ends in suicide or death by Logarius.
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[X] Drag him back.
[X] calm down Alfred
[X] calm down lad! Breathe! I'm not tryin' ta burn down the world, I'm trying to save it!
[X] calm down Alfred
[X] calm down lad! Breathe! I'm not tryin' ta burn down the world, I'm trying to save it!
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I'd say the latter is more likely: the centerpiece of Alfred's insanity is the delusional conviction that the Vileblood Queen must be destroyed, not just imprisoned... and he has been the only Executioner for quite a long time now.
To him, Logarius is something like the God-Emperor of Man in WH40K - an unassailable figurehead who represents absolute justice and moral rectitude, but has no direct impact on the worshipper's life. To Alfred, Martyr Logarius isn't a person who gives orders or has opinions, but a sort of magical judge who sits in his head and bestows his blessing on whatever course of action Alfred decides is right.
At this point, I'd expect Alfred to prioritize preserving his delusion over anything else, as it's literally all that's keeping him going. He'd likely convince himself that the figure confronting him wasn't really Logarius, just some shriveled undead horror wearing his face, attack the Martyr, and perish.
The only question is whether he'll realize his imminent defeat mid-fight, lose all hope and
Now I want to know what Alfred the Accursed looks like.
Why wouldn't Logarius agree?
Except she does need to be destroyed. And done so before Oedon decides that she really would make a great mother for its child.
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Because Logarius has spent god-knows-how-long guarding her, because he's aware that Alfred's plan is retarded and won't work.
He's spent Years and Years guarding the Queen of Cainhurst. If her destruction was actually possible or could actually work, it's pretty safe to assume that he would have done so rather than dedicate his entire life to guarding his worst enemy.
The Queen is Genuinely immortal. Reducing her to a fine paste really does little more than inconvenience her.
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[X] Drag him back
-[X] Make him apologize to Ebrietas for running away!
Don't run bitch!
-[X] Make him apologize to Ebrietas for running away!
Don't run bitch!
Bladestar123
Happy
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[X] Drag him back
-[X] Make him apologize to Ebrietas for running away!
-[X] "What could ye possibly have tae do, more important than this?"
-[X] Make him apologize to Ebrietas for running away!
-[X] "What could ye possibly have tae do, more important than this?"
We don't know what he knows. Its actually quite likely he would love Alfreds plan since it rids the world of the last
All evidence to the contrary.
NitroFumetsu
Blaze of Glory
Seriously? She's a smear on the ground.
She cant talk, she cant recruit more members, she cant bare the blood child.
She may not be dead, but its game over for her regardless.
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You know that doing so doesn't stick, in game, right? That all it takes is some dumbass to come by her legend and decide to resurrect her and they can probably do it?
Because Logarius knows it. It's why he's guarded his worst enemy for what appears to be centuries rather than just do what Alfred did.
Alfred didn't have some brilliant ingenious plan that no one else could have thought of. It's literally the first one Anyone would come up with. It's a safe assumption that, before spending centuries as a guard, Logarius would attempt dismemberment.
If your plan relies on Everyone who came before you being clinically retarded, it's not a good idea.
Because Logarius knows it. It's why he's guarded his worst enemy for what appears to be centuries rather than just do what Alfred did.
Alfred didn't have some brilliant ingenious plan that no one else could have thought of. It's literally the first one Anyone would come up with. It's a safe assumption that, before spending centuries as a guard, Logarius would attempt dismemberment.
If your plan relies on Everyone who came before you being clinically retarded, it's not a good idea.
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Right, cause everyone knows how to revive a person. And everyone can make the journey to do so. And everyone even knows what the giant fleshy smear on the ground even is!
And again with this 'Loagarius knows' shit. Do we have anything at all stating what he knows?
Not... really?
But then again, Souls-setting, where 90% of lore/background is just implied/inferred or you have to attempt to piece it together yourself.
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Yes, but the picture you put together has to be made of actual pieces. We got next to nothing on Logarius as far as I know.
Guess it's just a playermade(?) theory then, because I doubt the guy is supposed to have done it for shits & giggles...
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Okay. Do you think that Logarius is extremely unintelligent, or was not in control of his faculties to the extent of being incapable of basic reasoning you would attribute to a reasonable adult, before going on his crusade? If so, well, that's an utterly unqualified assumption, but I can't argue with it. If not, then you have to assume that he, like anyone else, would have had the idea, because it's an extremely obvious one, and would have at least considered it before spending eternity guarding his worst enemy.
The whole point of Alfred in Canon is that he dies in vain, a martyr to a pointless cause.
The whole point of Alfred in Canon is that he dies in vain, a martyr to a pointless cause.
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
Why don't we just kill the fuck out of her then stick her up our sleeves?
Can't rez her if you can't find her.
Can't rez her if you can't find her.
There's a whole number of other reasons he didn't do more than lock her away. Including the fact that she was royalty and you don't kill Royals. Or that he was a member of the Church and ordered not to.