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Anderson Quest: Killing Vampires and Werewolves and Leprechauns (Hellsing/Bloodborne)

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Rumple said:
You ever see a tetsubo? Not exactly designed for blade locking.
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Fuck huge katana strikes in between the protrusions, twist the club a bit, and it's gonna get stuck.

Rumple said:
Not to mention there are many, many different styles of sword and gun fighting already without factoring in the fact that we are in an alternate dimension.
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Five motions.

He positions his hand over the holster.

He draws the pistol out from the holster.

He tilts the barrel towards the target.

He pulls the trigger once.

He pulls it a second time.

And are we going to be playing the Peak Human argument about Anderson's skill with bayonets again? Because I'm pretty sure I took that stance earlier in the Quest and then proceeded to lose that argument. Anderson is blatantly superhuman. Unless you have some evidence of The Bloody Crow quickdrawing at such a speed that Anderson can't keep up then...

You posted a cool video, sure. But you didn't really prove anything.

Rumple said:
Considering we apparently strain to hold the club in one hand its safe to assume he can swing a katana faster.
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Tricia said:
"Go on. Take a swing," he offers. You do so, appreciating the balance and heft of the alien bludgeon. The weight is pushing the limit of what you can comfortably use one-handed, though there's enough room on the grip for you to two-hand it if you need to uncork some major league biffing.
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Please stop. It's pushing the limit of "what [Anderson] can comfortably use one-handed"

The implication being that he can, indeed, still use it comfortably one-handed. Can we just move on, please?
 
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TehChron said:
And are we going to be playing the Peak Human argument about Anderson's skill with bayonets again? Because I'm pretty sure I took that stance earlier in the Quest and then proceeded to lose that argument. Anderson is blatantly superhuman. Unless you have some evidence of The Bloody Crow quickdrawing at such a speed that Anderson can't keep up then...

You posted a cool video, sure. But you didn't really prove anything.
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You realize hunters are magic right? They swing around things with one hand no human could easily swing with two, can do magic, partially transform every time they do a visceral attack, heal from bloodsplatter and can survive getting their guts ripped out multiple times. He cut his way into the building through a stone cathedral door. They are no more human than anderson. Especially when they defy the laws of physics and turn into monsters the size of a bungalow.
And he doesn't even need to quickdraw, he fights with his gun in one hand already most of the time. He just has to point and pull.
 
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Rumple said:
You realize hunters are magic right? They swing around things with one hand no human could easily swing with two, can do magic, partially transform every time they do a visceral attack, heal from bloodsplatter and can survive getting their guts ripped out multiple times. He cut his way into the building through a stone cathedral door. They are no more human than anderson.
And he doesn't even need to quickdraw, he fights with his gun in one hand already most of the time. He just has to point and pull.
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Are...are you saying Anderson isn't magic?

I'm honestly asking this question. And no, The Bloody Crow doesn't have to just point and pull. Guns are very precise weapons. Especially smaller weapons like pistols. You need to aim, just like with any other weapon. Pointing and pulling just fires a bullet, it doesn't guarantee you'll hit anything let alone what you wanted to hit.

At this point, I'm really not sure what you're trying to say. It looks like you're saying that I'm completely wrong because "lolmagic" when...that isn't really that big an advantage against Anderson because, he too, is also "lolmagic" himself.

I don't really get your argument, it just looks like you're trying to talk past what I'm saying rather than actually disagreeing with me.
 
I'm saying expecting to steamroll one of the tougher fights in the game no problem is a good way to get an ass kicking. It will probably work out fine because Anderson ass can regenerate but just expecting to straight up outclass this guy is probably a poor idea.
Also from what I remember his gun actually does more damage than amygdala's laser beam.
 
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Rumple said:
I'm saying expecting to steamroll one of the tougher fights in the game no problem is a good way to get an ass kicking. It will probably work out fine because Anderson ass can regenerate but just expecting to straight up outclass this guy is probably a poor idea.
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Whoever said anything about outclassing him?

The entire point of this strategy is to leverage Anderson's own advantages to tilt the odds as much in his favor as humanly possible on our end. Take a good look at the vote. Our approach to melee combat is lock his sword in place so that way he can't use it against us easily.

Our ranged strategy is carpet bombing him while running around and looking for cover in an attempt to nullify the threat of his pistol.

We also recognize that the Beam of Irony is the trump card, and that we wait until the opportune moment to hit him with it via a cheap shot. Setting up that cheap shot is more or less our goal to try and set up a win condition, while setting the pace of the fight so that way Anderson doesn't risk getting completely destroyed by the Crow.
 
I'm just saying. Generally people made and trained to swing katanas can swing them around faster than someone can swing around a giant club. And catching that sword with said club is probably incredibly difficult when you have never practiced it once and its not designed to do so. And he can probably point his gun he is holding at our gut and pull faster than we could let go of a club, produce bayonets and throw. Never mind he could possibly just teleport out of a blade lock.
 
Rumple said:
I'm just saying. Generally people made and trained to swing katanas can swing them around faster than someone can swing around a giant club.
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There's only so many ways you can swing a sword, and once again. Swinging around the katana isn't going to be any big surprise to Anderson. He'll be able to read and react to the Bloody Crow's moves.

At the end of the day, Anderson isn't trying to swing his club to hit the Crow. He's trying to block the Crow's strikes against him. The time needed for a full swing as an attack is significantly longer than repositioning an arm holding a weapon. It's a big, obvious motion and something Anderson can very easily react to.

This is basic, obvious stuff. Try it out for yourself.

Rumple said:
And catching that sword with said club is probably incredibly difficult when you have never practiced it once and its not designed to do so.
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Why do you keep saying these things?

You're just making assumptions, incorrect ones at that. We've been over this already, so could you let the matter drop?

Rumple said:
And he can probably point his gun he is holding at our gut and pull faster than we could let go of a club, produce bayonets and throw.
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Based on literally what? And why would Anderson be holding both hands on his club if he's also throwing bayonets the entire time in order to try and keep making with the distance?

You're just trying to fearmonger at this point. Arguments might exist for the points you're trying to make, but you seem to be content with "just saying" rather than trying to use them. Argument from belief is a fallacy, you know? So let's let the matter rest.
 
There are probably more than a few ways to swing a sword. Its almost like there are hundreds of different styles.
And I have in fact had practice blocking things. With my arms admittedly but they are a lot easier to re-position than a giant club, which I assumed we were using two handed, because its been noted Anderson can only just about swing it around one handed.
You know what? I still got punched pretty often just fine because its a lot harder to react to something like that than you think. And attacks are generally made to be as quick as possible, with as little telegraphing as possible not " a big, obvious motion". Certainly not from a regular weapon like a katana.
Also a club with spikes on is not the typical design for a sword catcher which would make it rather hard to use to catch the sword of a super powered expert. If you wanted to catch his swords you would probably be better off catching them between two bayonets, even though they really probably aren't a good shape either.
And I might not have much to base the quick draw on admittedly. Well apart from him beating Eilen who was able to get the drop on Anderson but who knows how that went?
 
I'm just gonna drop the argument now. At this point you're clearly just trying to get the last word in, so by all means.

Feel free to have it. I mean, yeah you don't know what you're talking about. But you're just arguing for the sake of arguing and I have better things to do with my time.
 
Meh, there isn't anything I can call you on without getting some word of god, so I'm just gonna disengage.

Meanwhile, on another front...

[X] Send Djura and Steffon on their way. This is OUR fight.
[X] "Right, let's stick to the classics with this one." Open up with ranged bayonet barrage.
-[X] Keep the pressure up at a distance, avoiding counter attacks as necessary.
[X] If the bastard hasn't been reduced to a gory mess, push to melee
-[X] Attack with twin bayonets, and ready to disengage at the first sign of bullshit, THEN CHARGE HIM AGAIN

Suggestions for improvement are welcome, though not necessarily expected.
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I also reclaim my'nyah, nyah, told you so' rights, although I'll try not to exercise them, even if the opportunity presents itself.
 
[X] Accept his challenge. "Ya know what? I'm okay with this. Out front laughing boy, if we had a proper barney in here the roof 'd collapse."
[X] Have Djura, Steffon, and the other church hunters escort the civilians somewhere safe. Their call if it's to the chapel with Iosefka, or on some other sanctuary.
[X] Engage at range with thrown bayonets. Keep moving for cover, and grab a sturdy-looking corpse (ie. One of the giants) as a mobile shield if you have to.
[X] Whip out the Club o' Righteousness when in melee range, but keep the laser function as an ace.
[X] After gauging his abilities, try to set him up for an alpha strike: Unlimited Bayonet Works, all timed to blow up simultaneously in the ground.
-[X] Every time he closes the distance, use tha Club o' Righteousness to lock that nasty looking sword of his down with those nasty spikes on it. If yer lucky, ye can do it in a way that gives ye a free point blank shot with the Laser o' Irony and end the fight. Keep the beam spam in reserve until ye can land a sucker punch with it, though.
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[X] Accept his challenge. "Ya know what? I'm okay with this. Out front laughing boy, if we had a proper barney in here the roof 'd collapse."
[X] Have Djura, Steffon, and the other church hunters escort the civilians somewhere safe. Their call if it's to the chapel with Iosefka, or on some other sanctuary.
[X] Engage at range with thrown bayonets. Keep moving for cover, and grab a sturdy-looking corpse (ie. One of the giants) as a mobile shield if you have to.
[X] Whip out the Club o' Righteousness when in melee range, but keep the laser function as an ace.
[X] After gauging his abilities, try to set him up for an alpha strike: Unlimited Bayonet Works, all timed to blow up simultaneously in the ground.
-[X] Every time he closes the distance, use tha Club o' Righteousness to lock that nasty looking sword of his down with those nasty spikes on it. If yer lucky, ye can do it in a way that gives ye a free point blank shot with the Laser o' Irony and end the fight. Keep the beam spam in reserve until ye can land a sucker punch with it, though.
 
Rumple said:
You guys know alucards guns actually really fucked up anderson in that one fight right?
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Alucard's Guns were designed to deal with RAPIDLY REGENERATING MAGICAL MONSTERS so the entire idea of this post demonstrates your horrible lack of knowledge of Hellsing

EDIT: ... ... ... ...that was an annoying typo...
 
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To everyone arguing about making the sacrifice play and trying to lean entirely on our healing factor: you might want to keep in mind that Bloody Crow is avid user of Numbing Mist that PREVENTS regeneration.
 
Ehorin said:
Anderson's Guns were designed to deal with RAPIDLY REGENERATING MAGICAL MONSTERS so the entire idea of this post demonstrates your horrible lack of knowledge of Hellsing
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Alucards jackal stopped regeneration by being ludicrously huge and silver coated bullets. It weighed 35 goddamn pounds. Yharnam bullets use silver and blood magic which seems to serve a similar purpose even from shitty rifles. I imagine the gun that does more damage than having an arm stuck in your guts multiple times and laser blasts from beyond the veil can achieve similar results to the jackal.
 
Krain said:
But... then we can't make any speeches or have witty repartee!
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That's a direct reference to Anderson's charge through Alucard's host of familiars near the end of the OVA. After taking a Jackal shot to the shoulder that almost blew his arm off and slowed his regen down, Anderson grabbed his own nerveless hand - still holding a bayonet - in his teeth and used it to cut through the ghouls.
 
[X] Accept his challenge. "Ya know what? I'm okay with this. Out front laughing boy, if we had a proper barney in here the roof 'd collapse."
[X] Have Djura, Steffon, and the other church hunters escort the civilians somewhere safe. Their call if it's to the chapel with Iosefka, or on some other sanctuary.
[X] Engage at range with thrown bayonets. Keep moving for cover, and grab a sturdy-looking corpse (ie. One of the giants) as a mobile shield if you have to.
[X] Whip out the Club o' Righteousness when in melee range, but keep the laser function as an ace.
[X] After gauging his abilities, try to set him up for an alpha strike: Unlimited Bayonet Works, all timed to blow up simultaneously in the ground.
-[X] Every time he closes the distance, use tha Club o' Righteousness to lock that nasty looking sword of his down with those nasty spikes on it. If yer lucky, ye can do it in a way that gives ye a free point blank shot with the Laser o' Irony and end the fight. Keep the beam spam in reserve until ye can land a sucker punch with it, though.
 
Sinsystems said:
We could probably pull an impalement gambit where we let the Crow impale us with his sword and use it to Lock his movements before whaling on him with our free hand.
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If the blood bullets mess up Anderson's healing, the Chikage's bloodtinge blade is probably just as bad.

Granted, we DID recover from the blood bullets IN TIME, but there's a good chance that this dude can stab Anderson dead.
 
Sunder the Gold said:
If the blood bullets mess up Anderson's healing, the Chikage's bloodtinge blade is probably just as bad.

Granted, we DID recover from the blood bullets IN TIME, but there's a good chance that this dude can stab Anderson dead.
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That, and he uses lot of Numbing Mist as a matter of course. You know, the stuff that disables healing factors so he won't have to worry about his opponent healing like he does? Yeah.
 
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