A Nation's Virtue
南國山河南帝居
Not really.
And Everyone Was Kung Fu Fighting - Kung Fu Cult Dynasty Quest
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We do deserve to exist.
I'd also like a bit of fairy sleeve. And some informers and possibly better mooks.
Main issue I can see with Shadow's plan is the lack of any Mastery level martial arts and no Hidden Lore to develop mastery, on top of a very unsynergistic martial arts combination.
Tyrant Sword - Strong vs Sword while wielding swords, weak vs everything else.
Thousand Slayer - Strong on attack, weak on defense.
Sublime Force - Strong vs equipment, ineffective on anything else
Imperial Dragon - Strong unarmed, incompatible with weapons.
Tyrant Sword and Sublime Force together means it crushes swordsmen easily, while Sublime Force and Thousand Slayer works well with Imperial Dragon, but Tyrant Sword and Imperial Dragon work at counter purposes.
You can't make full use of all your kung fu at the same time. I'd suggest converting Tyrant Sword to mastery in the other three styles, more productive.
Tyrant Sword - Strong vs Sword while wielding swords, weak vs everything else.
Thousand Slayer - Strong on attack, weak on defense.
Sublime Force - Strong vs equipment, ineffective on anything else
Imperial Dragon - Strong unarmed, incompatible with weapons.
Tyrant Sword and Sublime Force together means it crushes swordsmen easily, while Sublime Force and Thousand Slayer works well with Imperial Dragon, but Tyrant Sword and Imperial Dragon work at counter purposes.
You can't make full use of all your kung fu at the same time. I'd suggest converting Tyrant Sword to mastery in the other three styles, more productive.
A Nation's Virtue
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It just means we switch from using Imperial Dragon style to Tyrant Sword and back if we have to.
Sword is good vs everything that isn't anti-sword, not just swords.
Dragon is always good for steel skin and flame breath even when not fisting. Then it's good for when swords aren't good.
Force means we hit like a truck, never lack for a weapon, have great armor, and can do tricksy things with paper.
Fairy Sleeve would give us some crazy strong quick ranged attacks if combined with Force and let us fight in silly robes.
Dragon is always good for steel skin and flame breath even when not fisting. Then it's good for when swords aren't good.
Force means we hit like a truck, never lack for a weapon, have great armor, and can do tricksy things with paper.
Fairy Sleeve would give us some crazy strong quick ranged attacks if combined with Force and let us fight in silly robes.
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Nice Description of the Styles, Mostly Correct
Strengths and weaknesses listed are relative to martial artists of comparable mastery level. Mooks are mooks.
A level 4 martial artist could probably still draw with a level 3 martial artist in it's weakness after all.
Tyrant Sword - Strong vs Sword while wielding swords, weak vs everything else of the same level of mastery.
Raging Tiger - High attack power, low stamina. Counters and is countered by Vengeful Cobra.
Cauldron of Envy - Exploits emotional states, counters and is countered by Cauldron of Creation. Variable in power, but SV is good at pissing people off.
Raging Furnace - Strong vs Glacial Messiah, overall offensive style. May have combination with Glacial Messiah mastery or may conflict internally.
Glacial Messiah - Strong vs Raging Furnace, overall offensive style. May have combination with Raging Furnace mastery or may conflict internally.
Vengeful Cobra - Strong defense and counters. Counters and is countered by Raging Tiger.
Unbreakable Monolith - Strong defense, high damage but slow. No mobility, incompatible with evasion styles, speed styles or styles that require a non-polearm weapon.
Shadow Typhoon - Strong in subtlety in that you can fight to your maximum ability in the public without exposing your identity as a martial artist.
Oncoming Monsoon - Strong in power, especially useful for fighting massed enemies, but vulnerable in the energy supply and limited in subtlety. Synergy with Cauldron of Creation for the fuel to use it's powers.
Myriad Directions - Strong vs 'mundane' styles that use physical attacks, weak vs ki based styles like Oncoming Monsoon, Raging Furnace or Glacial Messiah, as well as defensive styles that give nothing to manipulate.
Kaleidoscope of Eternity - High speed and mobility style, subtle to observers. Weakness against high awareness and counterattackers who can force paradoxes(e.g. borrowing an attack from the future but countered in such a way that you couldn't make the future attack).
Pearl Heaven Dreamer - Anti-monster style. Doesn't do much on humans. On the other hand only the ki using styles are any good on spirits at all.
Fairy Sleeve - Like Shadow Typhoon, except for formal occasions. Incredibly useful if you are taking the noble route to power, useless otherwise.
Howling Devil Dog - Essentially the ki blast version of Raging Tiger. Synergizes with Cauldron of Creation to build up higher energy reserves, or with Raging Furnace/Glacial Messiah for ki-reactor styles.
Crane and Spider - Extreme maneuverability in street or forest fighting, weakness in close quarters and completely open arenas.
Faceless Cosmos - Ultimate low profile style, especially combined with Fairy Sleeve or Shadow Typhoon to hide that you're a martial artist/there at all. But since it explictly locks out defensive techniques while in use, it's useless in a defensive battle.
Sublime Force - Strong vs equipment, ineffective on anything else
Jade Sentinel - Strong vs inhumanly powerful enemies. Weak vs human tier opponents. On the other hand when you face an enemy of inhuman power, you REALLY need the advantage.
Thousand Slayer - Strong on attack, weak on defense. Pretty straightforward.
Imperial Dragon - Strong unarmed, incompatible with weapons.
Ever Thirsting Void - Counters martial artists except for the ki reactor styles(Cauldron of Creation, Raging Furnace and Glacial Messiah), though few direct attacks are built in.
Cauldron of Creation - A 'basic' style, in that it just adds a lot of power to everything you do, and synergizes with the ki heavy styles like Raging Furnace/Glacial Messiah(to retain balance you need both at the same level of mastery), Oncoming Monsoon and Howling Devil Dog. Counters and is countered by Cauldron of Envy.
A level 4 martial artist could probably still draw with a level 3 martial artist in it's weakness after all.
Tyrant Sword - Strong vs Sword while wielding swords, weak vs everything else of the same level of mastery.
Raging Tiger - High attack power, low stamina. Counters and is countered by Vengeful Cobra.
Cauldron of Envy - Exploits emotional states, counters and is countered by Cauldron of Creation. Variable in power, but SV is good at pissing people off.
Raging Furnace - Strong vs Glacial Messiah, overall offensive style. May have combination with Glacial Messiah mastery or may conflict internally.
Glacial Messiah - Strong vs Raging Furnace, overall offensive style. May have combination with Raging Furnace mastery or may conflict internally.
Vengeful Cobra - Strong defense and counters. Counters and is countered by Raging Tiger.
Unbreakable Monolith - Strong defense, high damage but slow. No mobility, incompatible with evasion styles, speed styles or styles that require a non-polearm weapon.
Shadow Typhoon - Strong in subtlety in that you can fight to your maximum ability in the public without exposing your identity as a martial artist.
Oncoming Monsoon - Strong in power, especially useful for fighting massed enemies, but vulnerable in the energy supply and limited in subtlety. Synergy with Cauldron of Creation for the fuel to use it's powers.
Myriad Directions - Strong vs 'mundane' styles that use physical attacks, weak vs ki based styles like Oncoming Monsoon, Raging Furnace or Glacial Messiah, as well as defensive styles that give nothing to manipulate.
Kaleidoscope of Eternity - High speed and mobility style, subtle to observers. Weakness against high awareness and counterattackers who can force paradoxes(e.g. borrowing an attack from the future but countered in such a way that you couldn't make the future attack).
Pearl Heaven Dreamer - Anti-monster style. Doesn't do much on humans. On the other hand only the ki using styles are any good on spirits at all.
Fairy Sleeve - Like Shadow Typhoon, except for formal occasions. Incredibly useful if you are taking the noble route to power, useless otherwise.
Howling Devil Dog - Essentially the ki blast version of Raging Tiger. Synergizes with Cauldron of Creation to build up higher energy reserves, or with Raging Furnace/Glacial Messiah for ki-reactor styles.
Crane and Spider - Extreme maneuverability in street or forest fighting, weakness in close quarters and completely open arenas.
Faceless Cosmos - Ultimate low profile style, especially combined with Fairy Sleeve or Shadow Typhoon to hide that you're a martial artist/there at all. But since it explictly locks out defensive techniques while in use, it's useless in a defensive battle.
Sublime Force - Strong vs equipment, ineffective on anything else
Jade Sentinel - Strong vs inhumanly powerful enemies. Weak vs human tier opponents. On the other hand when you face an enemy of inhuman power, you REALLY need the advantage.
Thousand Slayer - Strong on attack, weak on defense. Pretty straightforward.
Imperial Dragon - Strong unarmed, incompatible with weapons.
Ever Thirsting Void - Counters martial artists except for the ki reactor styles(Cauldron of Creation, Raging Furnace and Glacial Messiah), though few direct attacks are built in.
Cauldron of Creation - A 'basic' style, in that it just adds a lot of power to everything you do, and synergizes with the ki heavy styles like Raging Furnace/Glacial Messiah(to retain balance you need both at the same level of mastery), Oncoming Monsoon and Howling Devil Dog. Counters and is countered by Cauldron of Envy.
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Do you mean 'can't'?
It's RELATIVELY weak to martial artists who don't use swords. Any master will crush their enemies, but the plan mentioned lacks mastery on any martial art, meaning it's quite weak to an Imperial Dragon 4 user.
It's weak like Myriad Directions is weak to martial artists who use ki blasts...they'd still mow down the usual rabble you'd face, or lesser martial artists.
It's equals or superiors that're the problem.
No, it isn't. It's weak to anti-sword weapons. If weapon styles were weak to fists they be pointless.
I can agree that rank four would be good.
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Yeah, the way I read it, a martial artists first are totally and completely a weapon, and its weak against *styles* that are good against swords, but normal-strong against other styles. Tyrant Sword level 4 versus Martial-Art-that's-not-strong-versus-swords level 4=tie.
The crux of the issue was the rank 4, and which style should take the hit to fuel it. Arguably the more generally applicable styles at 4 would be able to crush more things, especially when so few of the styles bother with swords at all that you can leverage the advantage on. Most sword users would be using Sword weapon skill(caps at 2), and Tyrant Sword is the only sword style.
How about just asking the QM instead of arguing what we think they meant? @Happerry Clarification on Tyrant Sword please?
@Shadows
I'm seconding veekies issue with not having at least 4th level style and the unsynergistic combination. Either remove Tyrant Sword (i like sword but just being strong against other swords is meh - and we do not to specifially know a sword style to use sword anyway) or Imperial Dragon (because Sublime Force is best combined with weapon)
@Shadows
I'm seconding veekies issue with not having at least 4th level style and the unsynergistic combination. Either remove Tyrant Sword (i like sword but just being strong against other swords is meh - and we do not to specifially know a sword style to use sword anyway) or Imperial Dragon (because Sublime Force is best combined with weapon)
That means we will only have 3 out 4 being usable at all time. It is better to have a combination that always all usable.
Did you even read his description for my choices? Force is good for Dragon, Sword and Fairy.
You've yet to state how Dragon's secondary characteristics are unsynergistic with sword. Relying on just one style is a bad idea anyway.
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Happerry
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No active conflicts between your sources noted by eyeballing your plan.,
Fairly well. They don't have any blatantly obvious combo techniques, but they don't conflict either, and Cauldron's high energy stores helps feed the brute force and windstorms of Monsoon style. It'd be less a combination of making what you have stronger and more just letting you use it longer and more freely without having to worry about supply issues. Which is useful enough in and of itself if someone swarms you with minions or is a Cobra master type dude.
Noooot so much. This is the only blatantly wrong thing, so have a correction and history lesson.
Shadow Typhoon style is basically ninjutsu, minus naruto style magic and illusions. It migrated over to the mainland when a clan of ninja decide fantasy japan land was getting to hot for them to handle and, well, evacuated to the mainland. There they ended up interacting with Kung Fu dudes as the local martial artists, stole some secrets, lost some to rivals and enemies and friends, traded other secrets for shiny Kung Fu secrets, and basically cross pollination happened.
Several hundred years later the style has been spread around more and adapted to the needs of the world of Kung Fu. It's better at fighting then an actual Ninja, and a lot better in a fair fight then an old style ninja, but in return has lost a lot of the advanced espionage and poison secrets because there's a lot less call for ninja mercenary type missions. Or in short, they kept getting into Kung Fu fights and no one was hiring them as spies and assassins, so they got better at Kung Fu Fights, and cheating at Kung Fu Fights, and worse at the stuff they weren't finding useful.
If you fight in public with it, you'll definitely be showing off your martial artist skills. (Of course, no proper Shadow Typhoon user would try to get in a public fight anyway. Sneak attacks in the middle of the night work much better.)
Anyway, even if its lost a lot of the spying and general covert affair knowledge from lack of use, it's still better in those areas then 80% of the other Kung Fu styles because those styles don't teach that kind of thing, like, at all. Imperial Dragons are not given to being subtle, and neither are the firestorms a Blazing Furnace grandmaster can kick off. And so on.
If you want to fight in public without showing off martial artist skill, Weapon Mastery is the choice to take, and is what most nobles and soldiers use. As well as the bandits.
Tyrant Sword is, from most to least effective, best verses swords, decent verses most barehanded fighters, average verses other weapons/sword using schools that also carry the anti sword trait, and bad against other weapon or barehanded schools that have the anti sword trait.
Also note that a lot of styles still use swords even if swords aren't specifically called out for them. Or spears. Or other weapons.
Generally speaking, if a style isn't called out as being barehanded only, you can assume the user is going to be using some sort of weapon simply because weapons are better then barehanded combat. That's why people use swords or spears or maces or axes in the first place, they're more deadly then someone's hands.
Now, sure, a master's hands can be just as deadly as a sword... or that master could just pick up a sword and use all that skill that lets him be equal to a sword to be even more deadly.
Howling Devil Dog users tend for short heavy blades they can use inside the cramp corridors of ships, Crane and Spider stylists go for spears a lot to combine their mobility advantage with a reach advantage, Thousand Slayers are usually weapon experts of some kind, Raging Furnace users enjoy using their style to gain the flaming weapon bonus (among other things, it's a lot easier to heat a sword blade up without damaging yourself then to make your fists red hot without cooking your own hands off), and so on.
Also swords are like the most commonly used weapon by J Random Noble as well.
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I wanted a more developed cult, so I went for the build I did. With only 8 style points, Oncoming Monsoon and Cauldron of Creation are the most potent combination, since Cauldron has a lot of ki with no outlet, and Monsoon uses a lot of ki with no supply. Combining the two means giant ki blasts for Monsoon, coupled to Cauldron backed durability. Once the Hidden Lore(which is more useful for the cult, since the whole cult would be able to learn basic Kaleidoscope of Eternity) is used, you get these combinations:
Cauldron of Creation 4 + Oncoming Monsoon 4 = Extremely powerful ki attacks, with rapid reloading. Cauldron of Creation also makes up for Oncoming Monsoon's lack of close combat specialties by applying an all round buff
Oncoming Monsoon 4 + Kaleidoscope of Eternity 4 = Further increase the power of Oncoming Monsoon by stacking past and future versions of the same blast over each other.
Cauldron of Creation 4 + Kaleidoscope of Eternity 4 = Extreme speed backed by time accelerated superhuman senses, while Cauldron of Creation buffs strength and durability for high speed high power close combat. Kaleidoscope of Eternity is a damage multiplier for time echo punch, and Cauldron of Creation increases base damage.
The build went for synergy over everything else, so simply swapping a part out doesn't work.
Cauldron of Creation 4 + Oncoming Monsoon 4 = Extremely powerful ki attacks, with rapid reloading. Cauldron of Creation also makes up for Oncoming Monsoon's lack of close combat specialties by applying an all round buff
Oncoming Monsoon 4 + Kaleidoscope of Eternity 4 = Further increase the power of Oncoming Monsoon by stacking past and future versions of the same blast over each other.
Cauldron of Creation 4 + Kaleidoscope of Eternity 4 = Extreme speed backed by time accelerated superhuman senses, while Cauldron of Creation buffs strength and durability for high speed high power close combat. Kaleidoscope of Eternity is a damage multiplier for time echo punch, and Cauldron of Creation increases base damage.
The build went for synergy over everything else, so simply swapping a part out doesn't work.
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I said Force is best with weapon not that it cannot be used with Dragon. With weapon we can use SF to enhance attack power, without weapon we can only use SF to attack inanimate objects.
Fine maximum 3 and half style usable at the same time then. Still better to have 4.
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You're still wrong. Force adds brute strength too, it right inside what I quoted, not just item hardening. We can also wrap our fists and punch people with
It's a not a bad combo. I wanted a versatile melee monk that was good at ninjaing/assassinating though instead of a mage monk. I just have to settle for Raging Demon Swordslayer.
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