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Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 6: Fatal Fires Flagrantly Fry Frantic Friends, Family

ticktrick said:
Moonsilver(on the innovative angle) or Orichalcum(on the Bonesaw as an artist of flesh angle), but her heroic nature, even using the classical definition, is debatable. Bonesaw is doing all her art to get attention and affection from her substitute father figure of Jack Slash. She has no other emotional dependencies left alive aside from Siberian. This is a little girl who wants to fit in with her twisted family. Not some true visionary.
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Agreed. Panacea would be a much better option if we can get her head straight again and keep her from falling apart. Except for possibly Tattletale we'd probably be better off looking to known heroes for potential Exalted.
 
mastigos2 said:
So? I'm not talking about sending parahumans there to use their powers. I'm talking about harvesting shards to make shardcharms. Like Shard of Perfect Administration
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My point is, sending Manton into Autochtonia doesn't put the Siberian's powers at the disposal of Autochton and his people to dissect - the actual source of that power is still in another dimension.
 
ticktrick said:
Naw, hero, villain or rogue is superficial. We're looking for individuals with DRIVE, those who get things done, then we match up their qualities to a specific caste. The drive to be something more is a necessity for an exaltation, the other qualities can be met to lesser extents.
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In theory yes, in practice Exalting a known villain would cause a lot of public backlash and strain our relationships with our allies. The more infamous and feared the villain, the greater the backlash. We could make a case for any of the Undersiders after we take care of Coil and reveal that he was holding a gun to most of their heads, but the only one out of that group I really feel would make a useful Exalt would be Tattletale. We only have 5 Exalts available, we have to make them count.

Understand, I'm not disputing you on the need to find highly motivated individuals. I just think that for the most part the pros of Exalting a highly infamous villain are outweighed by the cons.
 
uju32 said:
:D


You do realize you're talking about the guy who rendered an entire race down for Soulsteel right?
Who used gods for raw material?
Who helped plot the murder of his sibling because they were mean to him?
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Given that said race tried to exercise absolute control/domination over him? They deserved whatever happened to them.
 
uju32 said:
The adults of the race did, or maybe just the ruling caste/administration.
He killed everyone, even the children.
And for something they didn't succeed in doing at that.

So no, he may be a fan-favorite, but don't delude yourself; he does monstrous things at very little provocation.
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Hell, he ABDUCTED the ancestors of the Autochthonians when he left Creation. He may be friendly compared to the other Primordials, but that's not much of a yard stick to go by.
 
mastigos2 said:
He didn't kill them. He shoved their souls into the eternity of torture that is soulsteel.
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Actually, he "just" ate their souls. They just sort of settled in the void-ore and naturally turned into soulsteel. That particular result was an unexpected windfall.
 
uju32 said:
The adults of the race did, or maybe just the ruling caste/administration.
He killed everyone, even the children.
And for something they didn't succeed in doing at that.

So no, he may be a fan-favorite, but don't delude yourself; he does monstrous things at very little provocation.
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Perhaps a little far reaching for me to say, I agree. However, I do not recall saying that Autochthon isn't a questionable character. That's essentially part of being a Primordial. Hell the tagline he's picked up in SB because of Glorious Shotgun Princess is "Hold still while I fix your EVERYTHING!". Rather sinister, no?
 
About the Simurgizzazion: if we increase our Medicine, we will probably have ways of understanding who is simurged thanks to our Optical charm. And then we can probably use an artifact or another charm to cure them.
 
Giygas said:
About the Simurgizzazion: if we increase our Medicine, we will probably have ways of understanding who is simurged thanks to our Optical charm. And then we can probably use an artifact or another charm to cure them.
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Even if we can't cure them, we could at least find and detain them until we figure out a fix.
 
Don't the Simurgh not use telepathy then? I belive it was fine telekinisis and playing everyone like a damned flute.
 
As far as I'm aware, there is no such thing as true telepathy/mind-reading in Worm. However, the Simurgh has such powerful post- and pre-cognition, combined with effectively-perfect telekinesis, the theory (put forth by readers, not ICly) is that she's able to tweak brain matter to get just the right result down the road. The evidence for this is her Scream - as shown in the Travelers' arc, it has no audio component (it's only in your head) and has the ability to severely alter behaviors fairly quickly.

The only other explanation is that she has near-worldwide, constant, perfect telekinesis to directly puppeteer people subtly. At that point, she's effectively a god and nearly unstoppable; she can predict up to 80 years in advance, so there's not much you can really do to counter her (outside of Essence hax). I am not using this interpretation for my story.
 
AkatsukiLeader13 said:
Exalting Bonesaw? Wow... I mean some people complained about my omake where I Exalted Shadow Stalker but Bonesaw? Seriously?:confused:

Out of all the characters that have been suggested she has to be at the very bottom of the list for me.
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Despite my dislike of Sophia Hess, I'd select her as an Exalt candidate before I would select Bonesaw.
 
Panacea is not worthy for exaltment. As it has been shown she is too focused in Glory Girl to be able to care for other people.
 
As ticktrick pointed out, Bonesaw isn't heroic enough to Exalt. For that matter, I suspect that a lot of the candidates that have been brought up would not be heroic enough to Exalt.
 
sainen said:
because Bonesaw is redeemable(happened in canon) and a child people naturally want her. also it doesn't hurt that her power is useful(less so to Alchemicals but still). personally she doesn't make the list of people I'd list to exalt.
Armsmaster
Tattletale
Panacea
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Bonesaw was "redeemable" only when a very specific set of conditions was met. To prevent spoilers for BobTheNinja I'm leaving out the particulars.
 
sainen said:
we both know that was Glory Girl's fault, you can hardly blame Panacea for that. mostly she sacrifices her life(time) healing people(though she could be more effective about it) with her power for the betterment of the city/world.
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She only does it because she knows it's expected of her and because she feels she has to prove she isn't a villain. She doesn't actually seem to care about the people she heals.
 
sainen said:
we both know that was Glory Girl's fault, you can hardly blame Panacea for that. mostly she sacrifices her life(time) healing people(though she could be more effective about it) with her power for the betterment of the city/world.


he could be in a coma, as Panacea doesn't do brains, if he is then he's still a viable target.
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Deceased =/= coma. He's dead, Jim, accept it.
 
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