Gromweld
Learning By Mistake
Several other people have chimed in on this to explain why it would be problematic, so I'll just focus on one point that hasn't really been brought up: the Soulgem Injector process gives someone a HUMAN soul, with its Hun and Po components. That means the person receiving it has to be close enough for the process to identify them as Human (very difficult to swing for Dragon and some Case 53s), and they would then be limited to all the standard Human frailties that were built into a Human soul by the Primordials - the biggest one, of course, being the NO TRUE RESURRECTIONS rule (which would fly in the face of Dragon's AI-self backups).So I was revisiting the idea of exalting Dragon and came across an odd thought. Can we give Dragon a Soul? And would that soul help in preventing the whole Ascalon thing from becoming a problem? The whole thing about having a soul gem is so that the soul is preserved even after death so I wouldn't see a problem if her backup were to retrieve the soul gem and just stick it back into her new head should she fall after all.
It fudges up the timer a bit, but not a full restart - it really depends on what happens during the subsequent fight, but at the worst he'd lose about a day or two of progress as long as he's brought back to where he was working on converting.So if we stick Iris in the MotDG, will that mean he has to restart the timer for the demesne creation?
Again, this is Iris' calculations and considerations, not objective fact. Of course, it's pretty dang close to the truth, since Iris is no dummy and he had a lot of time to watch and think things through - for this Quest's purposes, his statement should suffice as the final say on the matter.Huh. Managed to tie to what I was working with better than I thought I'd get it.
If it's in color or bolded, that'd be where I diverged. Well, at one remove for Malfeas, since infinite growth + infinite shrinkage = infinite stasis.
Still. Dang. That's...poor Lord Grasp. Also, poor Infernal and Cenotaph, if our resident Malfeas and Ebon Dragon charm user ever gets seen by Iris.
Yes.Does Iris mean that as the collection noun the Yozi, or is he referring to a singular Yozi?
Just quoting it because it's true; I try to shape the story to play to our strengths and weaknesses, rather than keeping to a strict plot path. My biggest concern, in this way, is that we've rapidly run into the problem of having too much awesome powers/abilities, so it's difficult finding the time to showing it all off without turning Taylor & Co. into rampant Mary Sue-esque protagonists. Hopefully I've struck something of a balance, but it's something that occupies a lot of my headspace when writing and plotting.While I'm not sure of how @Gromweld would have played those events out, it boils down to this: they played out the way they did because you had the armour and could tank the bullet, could go toe to toe with a (sandbagging) Behemoth.
It is the exact same thing. Bonesaw is around because you wanted your woobie, and yes, it allows the narrative to go in different directions than otherwise it would go if you didn't have Bonesaw. No Bonesaw means Gromweld would go a different route for certain things to possibly happen.
IAT or no IAT means the same thing. The narrative goes in a different directions.
beyond me having to tell @Gromweld he's doing it wrong when he's, you know, doing it wrong. Whatever 'it' is.
Basically. I expected this to only take a year IRL - two, at tops. Real Life has been the major timesink, I know, but I'm going to be putting more in-universe pressure to get things moving just so I'm able to finish the story at all.Taylor: The Author realised that with the previous timetable he wouldn't be done writing the story until his late 40s at the earliest.
Costa-Brown: Be serious.
Taylor: Sorry sorry. Bad joke.
Google Docs had the spelling wrong for some reason and auto-corrected. Weird, and means I probably saved the wrong spelling manually into the dictionary at some point. Fixed the story and my own dictionary, thanks!Now, now Iris, you are allowed to be mad but it's pronounced demesne...
As for the chapter part, I would like to state a few words, damn Valor 5 spirits. Thank you.
Any one of these events, alone, wouldn't have raised too many eyebrows - the PRT's been around a while, and ~40 years of parahumans means lots of weird shit has come and gone before. It's the constant, increasingly-powerful instances of absurdity that are sending up the most alarms, and the PRT is sort of scrambling to figure out what to do about it all, since the one-off rules that have been designed to handle each separate Weird Thing are usually mutually exclusive.I gotta wonder how the peripherally affiliated PRT Directors are viewing all this. I mean, they get outlandish reports of an overpowered Ward Case 53 doing...odd things (generally helpful, but odd all the same), then she starts to bring out friends. And the friends she brings out are increasingly powerful, to the point where one of them is at or near Triumverate level, Weaver's flipped at least two S-class threats to become S-class assets (handle with care) that they can sic on former problems (like Ash Beast, the Endbringers, etc), I'm sure there's proposals to include Bonesaw on a list of potential assets to counter Nilbog somehow (I mean, I doubt they're making use of her in this fashion but they've gotta be giving it serious consideration at least, right?) and the latest came out with what looks to be an absolutely horrific set of Master/Thinker abilities and a narcissistic doom scorpion-bot that can mulch tanks without breaking a sweat, but then you have things like the odd sphere that Weaver keeps treating like her boss goes ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL over a major city.
Weaver is the Monkey's Paw that lays the golden eggs.
Lord Grasp called him a Yozi Sympathizer. The only reason Lord Grasp still exists is because Iris determined that he's crucial to the Assembly's success.Just woke up. First impression.
Iris: "What would be the worst possible way to inform Lord Grasp that Creation and everything he loves is destroyed, tell Saki that Bonesaw is around working for us now?"
Iris: "I know! I will just do what Viator did! That guy is such an awesome diplomat!"
Do Not Taunt The Happy Fun Ball.
Taylor has more info than we do at the moment, but it's going to be revealed in-story (a lot of it in the next Part) so I'm not going to repeat it here. Suffice to say that where we want Iris to make the first demesne will one of the vote options for 9.5, but by default Taylor is just going to plop him on the Cradle so that he's not an albatross around her neck.Question! @Gromweld, can we move Iris? I mean is he going to create the Demesne here and now, or could we move him closer to the Cradle or another desired location? Or is this just a "punishment" for waiting too long?
In-universe, Taylor & Co. are of the firm belief that their continuity of consciousness and fully-intact memory of their meatrobot life means that their Alchemical selves are the same people they were before. THIS IS NOT NORMAL. Even the very first eight Alchemicals made - which Autochthon himself forged from the Eight Great Heroes that were helping keep everyone safe/sane when Autochthon first absconded into Elsewhere - had only one past life in their soulgems when they were forged and came out different people. This is because Alchemicals are still human in soul and spirit, and thus follow the NO RESURRECTIONS rule put in place when Auto and the other Primordials crafted the human soul template.At worst, it means that the first time Dragon dies, she dies for good. If it was that easy to just take a soulgem and stick it to another body, they would do that with dead alchemicals all the time. Instead, new alchemicals are new persons, with very high Eidolon required to remember the previous life (and it IS a previous life for normal alchemicals).
So the question becomes: Did Autochthon break the NO RESURRECTIONS rule through some loophole involving the Nowhereverse? Or are Taylor & Co. delusional and the POD PEOPLE fear is founded? The only person who would know for certain is Autochthon, and his statements during the Exaltation visions certainly imply one answer... but is that the actual truth, or just something he says to instill faith in his Nowhereverse agents? JET FUEL CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS.
Adamant clothing would be possible, yes, but it would still count as 'armor' for the sake of Clarity generation.Possibly. Worth remembering that the shard-charms are alive and somewhat sapient. Its possible that just like Taylors shard-charm WANTS to be kept on, and requires Willpower and Temperance to be kept off, Prayers shard-charm wants to work with armor and weapons. Still, Adamant clothing would not be that massive a shift (and you could argue that it IS armor of sort), that maybe she could. Ofcourse, the things she creates are not permanent so it would work only for her.
This is a possibility, yes. Taylor didn't have time to try it over the week since Prayer and Defiant were cavorting about the planet, but it's something to keep in mind for when Iris finishes accelerating the Plot.Though I wonder. When Prayer handed a spear of Adamant to VoV, VoV converted it easily to soulsteel. If we wanted to have a set of permanent Adamant armor/weapons/clothes, would it be easier for Prayer to create them, and then Iris make it permanent (somehow), than it would be for Iris to create Adamant from scratch. With the Prayer-made items, the Autochton made shard-charm designed specifically to create Adamant would have already done most of the work afterall, and Iris would just have to prevent it from dissipating. Possible way to get Adamant slightly more easily?
We have a sizable stash (100+) of soulgems filled with Hun souls. If we need more, there's probably something going on important enough to interrupt Iris for it.Maybe, but I would not bet on it. Remember, soulgems are only containers for Hun souls, and Iris is the one who has the souls. Now its possibe that he left behind some soulgems prefilled with hun souls during the research before shutdown, so there is perhaps a possibility that we can choose one or two people to give souls to. However unless we can somehow access his Hun-Soul storage (not sure how that would be possible), we won't be giving souls in large amounts until Iris is finished.
All of what Iris said was understandable by everyone that was frozen - Iris didn't want to deal with possible translation errors or trust issues. For those wondering why Vision of Vengeance only spoke in Old Realm, Vision gave exactly NULL fucks about the specks of dust around him and their limited capacity for understanding true language.-That entire meeting was almost certainly recorded, which means that they would have caught both Crushing Grasp's temper tantrum, and Iris Abbreviated History of The Fall of Creation.And since there is an Old Realm translator, they can confirm what was said without resorting to having an Alchemical translation.
Note the parts about maddened Exalts: if other Celestials show up in-universe, the PRT is going to freak.
There was a hint at just exactly what went wrong in Saki's vision.Huh.
So something new went wrong between Prayer's Exaltation and that of the Twins.
Which suggests that sending Sakura to Estasia might actually be Autobot improvising with available resources, and not part of the original plan.
An unlimited range teleporter has strategic implications for the Alchemicals of Autochtonia, even barring her PR capabilities; just the logistics alone.....
Legend would have absconded with the squishy meatbags before returning himself, since Prayer would have been able to survive in the meantime.Heh.
So that's Miss Militia, Prayer and Legend as the only three possible combatants, and two are Blasters in a small room with a high-level Brute/Blaster.
They'd have gotten ripped apart, wouldn't they?
Well, Prayer would have survived it....
Taylor and Prayer were deliberately hiding/obfuscating Iris and his power, at Iris' request - Iris' existence is still largely a secret to everyone, and he sorta prefers it that way since it generally allows him to work/act in peace.It does mean that in his two days of absence from Saki's side, he didn't actually spend any time interrogating Prayer about the current state of affairs in his new area of operations, or determining who his new allies were.
That was remarkably careless of a Primordial War vet.
Iris' initial "Exaltation Guide Book" briefly mentioned that their 'home reality' was gone, and Iris filled in a few more gaps over the last week, but since it was largely irrelevant to the task at-hand he didn't bother explaining the whole thing (he doesn't like thinking about it, too).Also note the implication that Taylor knows, in some detail, what happened to Creation.
There may or may not have been an infinitesimal moment where Iris was confused about Dragon, but then went "Oh, Nowhereverse version of I AM ok no big deal."Philadelphia to New York is ~100 miles, which is where Miss Milita, Legend, Prayer, Grasp and Saki are.
Philly to DC is ~140 miles, which is one possible location for RCB.
Philadelphia to Los Angeles is ~2400 miles, another possible location for RCB.
Philadelphia to Vancouver is ~3000 miles, which is where Dragon is based.
And Iris just wololo'd the lot of them casually.
Chevalier only sees impressions of trigger events from shards, and some wonky stuff from converted shards. Iris himself is neither of those.
Sure, but that interrupts Demesne creation in the meantime. However, Iris is no longer putzing around on a long time scale where he has time to sit and gather data - he's not going to just sit by and let things happen to him anymore, even if it means letting lose the map-redrawing moves.And if Taylor can absorb him into TIE while he's in low-power, because you can bet some moron will think to attempt a sphere-napping.
It's worth remembering that Lord Grasp went through an even worse time-skip than Saki; for him, the party after the Primordial War, in which he had spent hundreds/thousands of years (time got weird for a bit in there) participating, was only three days ago.
What a way to learn that your entire existence, and the deaths of your friends, were for naught.
Poor dude. At least comforting him will give Saki her first opportunity to intentionally use her powers.
Sure, add them to the list.@Gromweld, just noticed these:
Still a thing? Should I add them (or some of them) to the wiki? Or have you changed your mind?
Feel free to try that in-story...@Gromweld, next crazy question.
You say in SoPA writeup for Spirit Attunement Generators that: "The exception to this sub-module are dormant spirits - usually least gods and lesser gods within objects - which the user must consciously identify, then rouse in order to bring them under the charm's sway."
You also state (2327891) that "Alchemical charms are physical artifacts, and thus have lesser gods within them. It's how they're 'learning' about Nowhereverse rules, even if they aren't fully awoken.".
As an Alchemical Exalt, we should obviously follow the wise example of our 5 dot mentor and be willing to do SCIENCE, so I was just wondering. What happens if Taylor uses SoPA to rouse to awareness the lesser god in her TIE charm artifact, takes control of it with SoPA, and forcibly makes it eat another Dragon Suit whether the TIE charm likes it or not?
You have to be able to pierce/puncture a person to give them motes with Personality Override Spike. Don't expect that to work with Iris.Truthfully, its a bit unclear. Iris apparently has an abnormally small max mote pool, which is why stuff such as injecting him with more essence via Sakis hypodermic won't really help. Ofcourse I don't really understand how he is collecting Essence then?
He'll have you know that the S9 was quite a valuable source of data, despite their wasteful and inefficient tactics, and it served his purposes quite well to be carted around by them. The dresses, hats, and tea time were, of course, completely unconscionable.Iris is actually quite vulnerable, and they know it. Just kill Taylor (or separate them), and he becomes an inert ball, that can't do anything. That was the whole reason he did not just kill S9 immediately and return on his own.