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Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 18: Ravaging Rapscallions Rapidly Regret Regular Rampages
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That isn't changing the motivation though it is taking advantage of the motivation to convince them to change their methodology for persueing the motivation.
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Word of Grom is that he'll escape confinement within a few updates. If he is conscious we could at least try appealing to his motivation. Why going with the targets WE suggest is better.
This.
Oh...I had forgotten about someone.
Canary.
We need to figure out a way to find out about her IC and then get her to Philly. Have her sing to Crawler if he's conscious. Repeated exposure if it helps.
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Then we go with that. Also, see above.
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Word of Grom also states the S9, which includes Crawler, will almost certainly be dead by the end of this arc.
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And if we can convince Crawler to help us before he's able to escape it will be that much easier to take out the rest of the Nine. Either sic him on some of the squishier members, or he can be an expendable distraction for Siberian.
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WOG is she's unavailable right now and since Grom said we'll have to deal with lawyer stuff after this so who knows we may get to become Canary's Lawyer?
I'll admit I don't understand how.
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"Your teammates are really strong and you're stuck here unless we let you out so why not help us kill them? You'll even get a chance to fight Siberian"
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See my post above. Hatchet Face cancels his regen but Crawler's still a giant monster and can crush or acid him. Crawler could also potentially do the same to Shatterbird, Burnscar, Mannequin, or Bonesaw. Jack gets away by default because Communication hax, but it's not a sure get away for the others.
Siberian would kill Crawler easily, but we may be able to control who Crawler faces first. War 5. Or he would at least be an expendable distraction for the Siberian.
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I'm rather skeptical of Crawler's efficacy against flyers that can attack from distance.
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Act as a big giant distraction for us or one of the PRT snipers?
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I vaguely recall mentions that she wasn't available immediately. But did we get confirmation for the entire arc? If you can find the post, fine, but if not it doesn't hurt to ask.
With stunts possibly setting the stage, and at the very least our War stat backing him up I'm not all that skeptical.
And don't forget Mannequin, Bonesaw, Bakuda, and Hatchet Face (shuts off his regen but Crawler's still a monster with potent acid blood) are not flyers. Same for the zombies and a lot of the drones.
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Yeah, I don't want to rely on any plan that involves convincing any member of the Nine to fight the others. I imagine that Crawler will only escape if we don't make some effort at dealing with him in a more permanent manner (either a more creative means of confinement or execution) so it would probably just be worthwhile to expend the effort on that.
FunkyEntropy
Occasionally insightful, possibly grumpy
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Crawler is about as vulnerable to Bonesaw and Bakuda's stuff as Bulldozer is - not very, but that just means that he'll be less on guard for the more exotic stuff that could actually take him out.
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More that Crawler is a poor choice because he'd likely accidentally(?) KILL them and set off their failsafes
@FunkyEntropy
1986ctecel has it right regarding my concerns.
1986ctecel has it right regarding my concerns.
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Still leaves Mannequin, Hatchet Face, drones (mostly), and zombies as non-flyers. And I'd say there's a good chance he could kill Shatterbird and/or Burnscar too, especially with our War backing him up.
Or again, he could be used as a distraction against Siberian. Or even force Jack to flee (can't kill him, but he'd be busy dodging). Ideally though, Crawler's Siberian bait to give us a shot at Manton or killing other members of the Nine for us.
Until the update actually gets here we can't be sure how things are going to look...but let's keep our options and our minds open.
Trusting the insane sadomasochitic serial killer with a part of your plan is just a bad idea.
Serious question time:
Why should we care about Canary?
Yes, getting railroaded is a terrible thing.
Nonetheless, there are thousands of people in jail for shit like that.
Why is Canary so special here that we have to intervene?
Can't be her powers; we have access to better in the Social tree, and that's without bringing in artifacts.
Mannequin is a stealth lord. Burnscar can teleport. Shatterbird can fly.
Siberian will simply obliterate him out of hand, and she almost always stays near Bonesaw and jack to give them the benefit of her invulnerability when necessary.
Bakuda and Hatchet Face are the only two he can reach, and Bakuda is almost certain to kill him anyway via shaping bombs.
Spit poison.
Throw projectiles.
The problem is finding them in the first place.
Bakuda yes.
Bonesaw not so sure.
As for less on guard, the wanker is crazy enough to run towards things that can possibly take him out.
Piggot used his psychosis to kill him.
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Dynamesmouse
Bzzzzzz
Let's not risk Amy on something so dangerous. Cornered animals are scary.
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She can use her vine thingy, no real contact needed.
Probably the same reason people want to save Bonesaw, same reason people are absolutely unwilling to take massive casualties to defeat the Nine, same reason we're sticking with the Wards when it's done nothing but slow us down: some people just want to be the hero.
They don't need a larger motive than that. Our actual objectives (kill all Endbringers, keep Autobot's stupid pinhole portal from destroying the world) are frustratingly distant, so more than ever people want the small, silly victories. It helps take the edge off being directly responsible for Behemoth killing everyone in BB or the Cenotaph fiasco. Something like keeping the Wards alive through the Behemoth fight or recruiting and befriending Who, a minor win that people can be proud of and go "This small thing was better because we were here."
We're a robot, yeah, but we're not heartless.
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He can survive doing that, he's immune to anything less than actual artillery at this point. Additionally, his flaw is masochism not valor, he wants to be exposed to things he isn't immune to yet, he doesn't especially care if people know he's immune except insofar as it will make them come up with more things. He was killed in cannon when they found something that would kill him in one shot and only told him that they had something that would hurt him.