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Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 18: Ravaging Rapscallions Rapidly Regret Regular Rampages

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Gromweld said:
Since getting at least ONE Twin seems to have some momentum, it's worth considering something: the Twins are are in a bad place physically, mentally, and emotionally. Yes, Wyld (and to a lesser degree, Taylor) can help get the metal bits out of their brainmeats, but that's about it. What are we going to do with them? It is quite possible that the Twins, Tranfusion, and Vista have died more than once and suffered some catastrophic brain damage as a result of Bonesaw's poorly-equipped revival techniques.

The Update itself will likely end if we secure them (fulfilling the "STOP SCENE" vote from 8.1) so this is mostly a question for 8.4, but it's worth considering whether what rescuing them means for them and us beyond the simple denial of S9 resources.
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Not much solutions beyond getting them back and preventing things from getting even worse.

They're still resisting, which is good. There's something to save. But we're going to need magical levels of therapy and restabilization.
 
Pretty much we demand Yamada until our social exalt gets here then hopefully they'll be able to provide bullshit exalted therapy. Or if they volunteer and Wyld agrees we could try to have Amy erase their memory of their capture I suppose kind of high risk/reward.
 
True. Moebot could alleviate the problem via social charm backed inspirations, while anyone who comes with Personality Override Spike might be able to help blank out the problem memories.

Or I suppose Marrow could get in touch with Cauldron and ask them to use their memory wiper to detraumatize them, in exchange for not exposing Cauldron but that's like gambling with nukes on their reaction.
 
[X] Plan Mobility Reversal
-[X] 4 points - Uzu
-[X] 4 points - Tatsu
-[X] 2 points - The Guild
-[X] 2 points - Wards
-[X] 2 points- Protectorate
-[X] 0.5 points - Civilians
-[X] 0.5 points - PRT
-[X] 0.5 points - Case 53s
-[X] 0.5 points - Boulder Builders
-[X] 2 points - Crawler
 
[X] Plan: Defense Plan Omega MK2

Attack
- [X] 4 points - Retrieve Uzu
- [X] 4 points - Retrieve Tatsu
- [X] 2 points - Capture Crawler

Defense
- [X] 2 points - Case 53s
- [X] 2 points - The Guild
- [X] 2 points - Civilians
- [X] 0.5 points- Protectorate
- [X] 0.5 points - Wards
- [X] 0.5 points - Boulder Builders
- [X] 0.5 points - PRT
 
[X] Plan: Defense Plan Omega MK2

Attack
- [X] 4 points - Retrieve Uzu
- [X] 4 points - Retrieve Tatsu
- [X] 2 points - Capture Crawler

Defense
- [X] 2 points - Case 53s
- [X] 2 points - The Guild
- [X] 2 points - Civilians
- [X] 0.5 points- Protectorate
- [X] 0.5 points - Wards
- [X] 0.5 points - Boulder Builders
- [X] 0.5 points - PRT
 
They got stopvote shielding though, and 90%, coupled with the small group, makes that reasonably safe.

Alternative

[X] Plan: Defense Plan Omega MK3

Attack
- [X] 4 points - Retrieve Uzu
- [X] 4 points - Retrieve Tatsu
- [X] 2 points - Capture Crawler

Defense
- [X] 0.5 points - Case 53s
- [X] 2 points - The Guild
- [X] 2 points - Civilians
- [X] 0.5 points- Protectorate
- [X] 2 points - Wards
- [X] 0.5 points - Boulder Builders
- [X] 0.5 points - PRT

That puts the Wards at very secure, while the Case 53s are merely secure(also they're a smaller group, which means the 90% survival goes further)
 
Switching to this:


[X] Plan: Defense Plan Omega MK3

Attack
- [X] 4 points - Retrieve Uzu
- [X] 4 points - Retrieve Tatsu
- [X] 2 points - Capture Crawler

Defense
- [X] 0.5 points - Case 53s
- [X] 2 points - The Guild
- [X] 2 points - Civilians
- [X] 0.5 points- Protectorate
- [X] 2 points - Wards
- [X] 0.5 points - Boulder Builders
- [X] 0.5 points - PRT
 
Gromweld said:
Since getting at least ONE Twin seems to have some momentum, it's worth considering something: the Twins are are in a bad place physically, mentally, and emotionally. Yes, Wyld (and to a lesser degree, Taylor) can help get the metal bits out of their brainmeats, but that's about it. What are we going to do with them? It is quite possible that the Twins, Tranfusion, and Vista have died more than once and suffered some catastrophic brain damage as a result of Bonesaw's poorly-equipped revival techniques.

The Update itself will likely end if we secure them (fulfilling the "STOP SCENE" vote from 8.1) so this is mostly a question for 8.4, but it's worth considering whether what rescuing them means for them and us beyond the simple denial of S9 resources.
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Murderous rage rising.

Gladly we will have access to Charms able to heal even this level of brain, psychical and emotional damage.
We will need the social alchemical as soon as possible.

landcollector said:
Everyone voting for Omega Mk2:

Only 0.5 points for Wards is unacceptable.
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They have stopvote shielding, are just four, together with 90% chance this makes it relatively safe.
 
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tenchifew said:
Murderous rage rising.

Gladly we will have access to Charms able to heal even this level of brain, psychical and emotional damage.
We will need the social alchemical as soon as possible.



They have stopvote shielding, are just four, together with 90% chance this makes it restively safe.
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Maybe you're right, but I have little faith/trust in Grom's dice right now.
 
Wasn't it mentioned that Marrow's healing spiders would heal brain damage?

Regarding the twins, I don't know if we are going to Exalt them now (was it ever a sure thing that exalting them would succeed?).

If Marrow can't do it, get an exalt with the Spike for fixing brain damage?
(Who with the Happy Fun Spike.. *cackles ...poor Lisa)
 
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[X] Plan: Defense Plan Omega MK3

(Yes, I now agree with saving the civvies. Peeps convinced me. Amazingly, that happens on the internet!)
 
Wow, I go to sleep and point costs change and discussion explodes. :)

Gromweld said:
Since getting at least ONE Twin seems to have some momentum, it's worth considering something: the Twins are are in a bad place physically, mentally, and emotionally. Yes, Wyld (and to a lesser degree, Taylor) can help get the metal bits out of their brainmeats, but that's about it. What are we going to do with them? It is quite possible that the Twins, Tranfusion, and Vista have died more than once and suffered some catastrophic brain damage as a result of Bonesaw's poorly-equipped revival techniques.
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This is a good point to consider, but only adds to the importance of getting the twins now. After all, insanity lowers the utility of the stop vote option for them, so it's critical to get them without it.

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[X] Plan: Defense Plan Omega MK3
-[X] 4 points - Retrieve Uzu
-[X] 4 points - Retrieve Tatsu
-[X] 2 points - Capture Crawler
-[X] 0.5 points - Case 53s
-[X] 2 points - The Guild
-[X] 2 points - Civilians
-[X] 0.5 points- Protectorate
-[X] 2 points - Wards
-[X] 0.5 points - Boulder Builders
-[X] 0.5 points - PRT
 
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... DragonBard has a good point, actually. "Save everyone, regardless of practicality!" is basically Compassion's shtick.
 
That's three dice I think, mostly because I gave up on starting very long arguments on raising Compassion against strong resistance :p
 
Gromweld said:
Since getting at least ONE Twin seems to have some momentum, it's worth considering something: the Twins are are in a bad place physically, mentally, and emotionally. Yes, Wyld (and to a lesser degree, Taylor) can help get the metal bits out of their brainmeats, but that's about it. What are we going to do with them? It is quite possible that the Twins, Tranfusion, and Vista have died more than once and suffered some catastrophic brain damage as a result of Bonesaw's poorly-equipped revival techniques.
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Between Wyld, Taylor and Marrow's BRW, brain damage is fixable.
Especially since they have only been in Bonesaw's hands for ~12-18 hours; that puts a hard limit on how much physical damage we are talking about.
The emotional and mental trauma OTOH is going to take more time.
I forsee medevac as soon as they're physically ready, to NY for the Twins, where Gloria lives; getting them out of the Nine's reach will be a PRT priority, and she is the only adult non-combatant they have left.
I mean, they would probably be willing to go back for Vista if they could, but the PRT won't countenance it.

We may or may not lose Kid Win for a while as well, since probably he has to accompany them to NY to keep the teleport blocker running until their dimension has been...sanitized.
Sticking drones and traps in there is a no-brainer for the Nine, which means that any initial entry is likely to require Marrow/Chevalier/Narhwal; people armored enough to take an initial hit, and keep trucking.
Ditto Transfusion; I assume his foster parents would have been evacced by now, assuming they survived Shatterbird's scream.
This is another of those occasions where the Happy Fun Spike would have come in useful*grumble*

Vista though?
Is likely to remain in Nine hands till the endgame; the cost of finding her individually is too high(12 points = 3 dead Niners).
Which means her damage levels are likely to be higher.
Especially if we take away the healers and/or capture Bonesaw.
Gromweld said:
The Update itself will likely end if we secure them (fulfilling the "STOP SCENE" vote from 8.1) so this is mostly a question for 8.4, but it's worth considering whether what rescuing them means for them and us beyond the simple denial of S9 resources.
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They are alternates for Starmetal(about old enough for Thousand Courtesans in two years), but they aren't primaries, so we can't just chuck them into the Cradle.
Especially since we have yet to figure out IC what happens if you put Twins in the oven to cook.
Until Taylor talks to Iris about it, even considering it is irresponsible.

Transfusion is not a candidate for Exaltation though; too young.
And we know nothing about Feelgood OOC.
So their fates post-recovery are up to you.

I suspect post-trauma therapy will go better for everyone if Jack's head is mounted on a pole on TV.:V
While I believe that it's against normal evidentiary rules to put the bodies of the dead on display, I suspect the PRT might make an exception for the Nine if/when they get killed.
Which probably means reporters and video footage, like happened with Saddam.
Gromweld said:
BUT WHO CARES, THERE ARE THREADMARKS NOW! WOOO!
Check out the top and bottom of the page - listed next to the thread page list - for pertinent posts. Sadly, it won't be as useful for us because of my ever-burning desire to make new threads with alliterative titles, but it should still help for checking back to the Voting Options posts.
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Yay!
 
-[X] 4 points - Uzu
-[X] 4 points - Vista
-[X] 2 points - The Guild
-[X] 2 points - Wards
-[X] 2 points- Protectorate
-[X] 0.5 points - Civilians
-[X] 0.5 points - PRT
-[X] 0.5 points - Case 53s
-[X] 0.5 points - Boulder Builders
-[X] 2 points - Crawler
 
uju32 said:
Sticking drones and traps in there is a no-brainer for the Nine, which means that any initial entry is likely to require Marrow/Chevalier/Narhwal; people armored enough to take an initial hit, and keep trucking.
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I'm thinking Sirkalla is the best bet. Chevalier's and Narwhal's armor and/or powers are uncertain against most of Bakuda's more exotic "FUCK YOU" bombs, whereas we know for a fact that ISF no-sells most of it at the least.
 
tenchifew said:
They have stopvote shielding, are just four, together with 90% chance this makes it relatively safe.
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No it isn't.

Stopvote shielding only matters for Exalt candidates.
The Cradle only takes ONE person at a time, and most of the rest of the Wards aren't assured Exalt candidates anyway besides Who.
Don't. Get. Greedy.
If we fuck this up and they get killed, we really can't blame Gromweld for it.
 
landcollector said:
I'm thinking Sirkalla is the best bet. Chevalier's and Narwhal's armor and/or powers are uncertain against most of Bakuda's more exotic "FUCK YOU" bombs, whereas we know for a fact that ISF no-sells most of it at the least.
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She'd still need someone to watch her back.
I don't expect bombs anyway, just drones; bombs can be finicky, while drones are maintained by Bezalel-bot.
 
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