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Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 16: Playful Parasites Pervert Prayer, Perpetuate Plagues
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It always starts with a lighthouse.
Iris didn't stab us in the back.
Also, on your first point, multiple people have chimed in that they didn't dislike the Clarity bit. It might have been frustrating for the players, but that doesn't make it universally reviled.
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Personally I like Vox's final hours. Want to see how sympathetic we can make him?
I call into question "universally". I have had no problem whatsoever with the portrayal of Clarity so far in this quest, and 'first fight' and 'Endbringer fight' (much less, you know, 'first fight is an Endbringer fight') are sufficiently stressful that having Clarity up and making utilitarian calls like "don't stop to mourn the already-dead people in the Endbringer shelters" is a boon, not a bane.
I think what Funky was getting at was in how long it took to shed the Clarity accrued in the Behemoth fight (a full arc or more!), due to the altered Clarity mechanics representing our, at the time, misaligned Exaltation.
FunkyEntropy
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Metaphorically. It looked like he was taken out of our control and used against us. Because note that I'm not bitching about Jack Slash trying to poison the well RE: Autochthon. I was upset because it looked like our own character sheet was used to attack us when there was another perfectly viable method of accomplishing the same narrative goal.
Because this:
Was not shown in the narrative. I have to be told out of story that Iris didn't give Jack the scoop.
I plead rhetorical excess. Would you prefer widely detested?
And it's not even that she suffered Clarity that was the issue (I've been perfectly clear about that elsewhere). Clarity has its uses, uses that were beneficial to us during that arc. It's how the gaining/losing it was handled, how we simply couldn't get rid of it because Grom had tinkered with the mechanics. It overstayed its welcome, and for myself in particular it happened to feed on other issues (that I brought up via edit in the post you've quoted) as well.
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No. Free Useful.
There was a vote.
3 yards of total obstruction is even more impressive when you consider how easily we can change our viewing angles. Yay flying!
Also, tinkertech is explicitly not flawless. It breaks all the time and needs constant maintenance because spacewhalehax is deliberately crippled by the spacewhales.
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Yep. I didn't want to mention that part because then someone would chime in with, "But Shatterbird!" as if that somehow magically negates everything else in that combo. Knowing Klaus/Uju, they totally would have done it too.
An excellent point.
If it comes down to a roll off - and it probably will, because it's two people contesting one another in their areas of expertise - the fact that tinkertech breaks down without maintenance will probably not do Bonesaw/Bakuda any favors (if it makes a showing it'll be as an external penalty in the roll off).
Doesn't she just remove a few inches of effective blockage for us to look through?
I was more curious why nobody really questioned Taylor when she was in clairity.
Sure they went "Weaver are you... Ok?" And Weaver went "AFFIRMITIVE." then that was it.
I thought people would notice how abnormal that behavior was and show a little more concern.
But hey it was after an Endbringer fight so maybe nobody was in a good headspace to figure out Taylor's robo-ness.
Sure they went "Weaver are you... Ok?" And Weaver went "AFFIRMITIVE." then that was it.
I thought people would notice how abnormal that behavior was and show a little more concern.
But hey it was after an Endbringer fight so maybe nobody was in a good headspace to figure out Taylor's robo-ness.
*shrug*
Then put your money where your mouth is and take the bet.
The abilities of shards in general and tinker tech in specific are entirely arbitrary. If the tinker with the bomb-making shard feels like making a bomb with a higher-than-normal difficulty to disarm then that's what happens. This is FAR from the most bullshit thing we've ever seen a tinker do, but previously they were mostly working in our favor.
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FunkyEntropy
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No, it's because she might damage the computer systems of our armor (although I like your silver lining quite a lot) and thus landlock us until we can afford the time to repair it.This of course assumes that the circuitry is made with mundane silicon and not something fancier like gold or platinum or tinker-synthesized metals. And that we're not cloaked when she does her scream. And that ISF doesn't no-sell it because it counts as hostile shaping (since it's an attack that alters our character sheet and our armor is part of our character sheet).*
*It's more complicated than that, but hostile shaping and ISF has been discussed before in previous threads (though not regarding Shatterbird's scream specifically) so if anyone wants to debate this I suggest you do some digging before bringing it up.
That's not how this works, Klaus.
This is a debate forum. Post your evidence or concede.
Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I dismiss your claim.
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Suit yourself, but I reserve the right to say "I told you so."
Please submit your evidence that the difficulty of disarming the bomb will be lower than our result. Oh wait, you have no idea what the difficulty actually is, just a lot of unsubstantiated conjecture.
We are almost certainly dealing with opposed rolls, and you haven't the slightest idea what Bakuda's bonuses are.
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Seriously? I always assumed that was a clever moniker given to him based on his knife abilities.
On exalting Who, I don't think we need to this arc. At the end of the last chapter, she currently stable and everyone has the power to communicated electronically again. We know from the Interlude that Brian is actively looking for her. If Who's cellphone been destroyed, well Parian does have Taylor's number. It will be surprising if her voice mail isn't spam with messages from Brian. Arranging a meeting with them would be easy. Even if Grom didn't say
Lisa could be very useful in helping us track S9 down faster.
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This is not a debate forum. I suggest you stop being unnecessarily uncivil.
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Of course they didn't question it. It was a natural reaction to so many humans being dead.
Cassiemouse
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So what are some things you guys want to do? I want to hear everyone's plans for the future! I already posted a fair amount about mine. Yep.
Well, "clever" at any rate. I seem to recall that it was the name King gave him, which Jack thought was stupid (but it's not like you're going to argue with King, right?) After disposing of King, he kept the name to make it a stupid name that people would fear.
@Gromweld the bone that was in Chevalier's sword is similar to what's in Bladedancer's sword, correct? Would it be possible for Enduring Order Administrator to synthesize a near-perfect facsimile to the various properties of Marrow's mega-bone? Not necessarily all in one package, but 'the density of' and 'the flexibility of' and 'exotic trait #1 of', etc? Also, how much of a material does Chevalier require to impose its properties onto something? Would he have required several hundred pounds of tungsten, or would a simple marble of the stuff have worked? *totally imagining Cloud's buster sword with materia inserts here*
I'd also like to look at asking Chevalier to allow Iris to observe/dissect something he's used his power on, as it is almost assuredly Relevant To Iris' Interests (and thus, to the Great Maker). If he's got to rebuild his primary sword anyway, after all....
Additional @Gromweld ; understanding Tinker Tech without TIE would be Perception+Craft(+specialty as applicable), yes? What would the 'average' successes need to be to understand most Tinker Tech? 4-6, depending on sophistication etc?
Do you expect the GM in a game to tell you everything that happens that the character would not know about? Honestly i feel that Gromweld was being very generous with that quote in telling us what was going on, it is perfectly fine for people to come to wrong conclusions when playing a role playing game especially when, in character, you are not sure what is going on (after all meta knowledge should not always be relied upon).
After dealing with the Nine? Well, a lot of that depends on how things look when we're done with them, but I'd suggest knuckling down on saving the Great Maker (finding out what Iris needs to make that happen, then working towards that end) and building up our powerbase in the Protectorate. With First Prayer of Perfection, we've demonstrated that we're not
I'd also like to start looking into our next candidate for Exaltation. I personally like Tattletale, but I don't feel like heating up that debate quite yet. I will say, however, that we should consider the following for our Assembly;
-not part of the Protectorate
-preferably a villain (or at least rogue)
-Social Combat!
-Thinker abilities are hardly ever unwelcome
... the other three I understand... but why do you consider having a villian as a member of the Assembly a good idea?
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Except for crazies like the Nine, the hero/villain dichotomy is ultimately a political one, and meaningless compared to what will happen if Autobot dies. We're just putting our Resources where our Presence is.
There's already rumors that the Protectorate/PRT's giving us our marching orders, that would if not dispel them entirely, at least nip them in the bud.
Villains also outnumber heroes at a three-to-one ratio (or higher), so there's more choices to be had. We know from canon that some villains (and heroes, for that matter) are monsters, but others are villains of happenstance and opportunity, who (had the dice fallen a different way) would have become good heroes. The major sticking point I'm imagining, though, is (aside from the PR angle, which is addressable) making sure they've got the right kind of attitudes while still performing our dayjob of, you know, catching crooks.
Fortunately, Dragon is a splendid font of both privacy-destroying surveillance and personality dissection, who would be a great help in this most noble endeavor.
Villains also outnumber heroes at a three-to-one ratio (or higher), so there's more choices to be had. We know from canon that some villains (and heroes, for that matter) are monsters, but others are villains of happenstance and opportunity, who (had the dice fallen a different way) would have become good heroes. The major sticking point I'm imagining, though, is (aside from the PR angle, which is addressable) making sure they've got the right kind of attitudes while still performing our dayjob of, you know, catching crooks.
Fortunately, Dragon is a splendid font of both privacy-destroying surveillance and personality dissection, who would be a great help in this most noble endeavor.
Cassiemouse
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I wonder if we could figure out a way to Exalt Dragon now that we got to study how she is made? Autochthon can build her a human soul and give her a new body and there is no functional difference between her and normal people since neither of them have souls and our charms already consider her a person. Maybe the path to unchaining Dragon could end in us being able to Exalt her?