Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 16: Playful Parasites Pervert Prayer, Perpetuate Plagues
- Thread starter Gromweld
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This was a throw away line that makes no sense on a variety of levels. The reality on the ground is almost certainly vastly more complex and murky than that simple depiction, but I digress.
Jack Folstam
Refinement of Copper
Things are rarely black and white, but it's not like South American governments tend to have the best human rights track record. That's not likely to have improved in Worm given that parahumans started appearing in the 80's, when they were at their worst, or near enough to it.
Cassiemouse
Market Atheist
My current wishlist for Exaltation is as follows:
Chevalier for Orichalcum
Dragon for Starmetal
Not sure on Jade or Moonsliver.
Chevalier for Orichalcum
Dragon for Starmetal
Not sure on Jade or Moonsliver.
How about if Dragon is not exaltable (due to not being remotly human)?
If we can get away with it exalting Vista for Jade,
Cassiemouse
Market Atheist
I am on board for Vista as Jade. Sounds like it could be interesting! I am mostly considering people that have been active in this story's narrative recently. As far as Dragon is considered then well.... I am hoping for Dragon to be our Starmetal unless Gromweld says no then I guess that is fine.
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Non Americans and non Parahumans should not be excluded from universe altering events ideally. Of course, ideally we'd have multiple assemblies and decades if not centuries to complete a project on this scale. Sadly, resources and deadlines are what they are.
We need the power of existing mortal institutions and if that means being seen to work for them, if that means putting our grand purpose under their banner then so be it. If we can't do regulatory capture better than the Koch brothers we hardly deserve the name Exalted.
That said, if one of the CUI imperial family was a good candidate...
We need the power of existing mortal institutions and if that means being seen to work for them, if that means putting our grand purpose under their banner then so be it. If we can't do regulatory capture better than the Koch brothers we hardly deserve the name Exalted.
That said, if one of the CUI imperial family was a good candidate...
Cassiemouse
Market Atheist
Right now it seems we want to get full PRT backing for our project. They are an international organization and could press governments to support us.
dpara
slightly confused ascendant
Well, they did have access to a Director, a Director that had good reason to access that data/ talk with Uriel about it. Also one of the core? protectorate tinkers. Ultimately I think the failure was more likely the human element.
Past the nine?
1. Get more on the hometeam,
Tattletale, thinkers ho!
Accord, thinkers² ho! Personally I think he never got to stretch his muscles in canon.
Aisha, POS / secret agent/ social combat monster.. either sounds fun
Missy, I am preeetty certain Autochton would remove the Manton limitations on her shard...
Vox, (well if Bonesaw saw fit to keep him alive) .. he seems fun?
Dragon Copy, two Dragons, neat.
The usual suspects.. MM, Chev, Legend, ..
With some development Panacea/ a properly brainscrubbed Manton/Bonesaw
But my list is kinda favored toward the "not boring characters" or characters that can play off against our current team of Miss "dissaproves" and Mega Miss "cryptic".
2. Then start a band.. just feels like a safe way (in terms of forum policy and story) to generate prayers than starting a religion.
3. Magic to Victory
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FunkyEntropy
Occasionally insightful, possibly grumpy
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Roger wilco, I will do my best to calm down.
I just said that it would be a contested roll, which means that the difficulty is whatever the other person gets. I can't know for certain what Bakuda can do, but that doesn't mean that I can't make intelligent guesses based upon the system we're using.
From Bakuda's own mouth,
Interlude 6 said:
Bakuda clearly knows what she's doing in the bomb department. We also know that she is more intelligent than average and clever (toe detonators!), so we can reasonably expect at least a pool of 7 dice (Int 3 + Craft 4) with a Craft (although it might be Technology skill instead of the Craft skill, not that that makes a difference) specialty of (Bombs). Note that she runs on oWoD which means that her specialty does not give her bonus dice but instead means that 10s count as two successes (just like in Exalted). But it would not be unreasonable to assume that she's in the 7~9 dice range although I would not, however, give her more than that because I don't recall Bakuda being mentioned as one of the smartest people in the world (although I'm sure she certainly likes to think she is given her megalomania) so that caps her at Int 4.
Accounting for shard hax is trickier as there are many ways that you can represent it mechanically. Either just throw more dice at the problem (like VtM's Potence does), add autosux (like VtM's Potence after fueling it with a blood point), reducing the Target Number (like VtM's Eyes of the Beast effect on social rolls in reverse), just having her succeed outright (because the action is trivial for her), or some combination thereof. It should be noted that because of the way that automatically succeeding works this would not be favorable to Bakuda because it causes you to succeed but not in an exceptional way; it's functionally equivalent to rolling one success on the roll, but is desirable nonetheless because it removes the guesswork (ie chance of failure/botch via bad luck).
Adding dice or autosux is straightforward and need only be compared with Taylor's own pool of Perception + Investigation/Craft. With the bog-standard TN of 6 (could be more, see below) she's already getting 5.4 sux on average with a pool of 9. Scale it up from there depending on how bullshit you think spacewhalemagic is, although if you're matching solar dicecaps you've probably gone too far.
Having an altered Target Number is also straightforward. For comparison, VtM has quickly boarding up a door and making it able to weather some abuse as TN7. Rebuilding a busted car engine is TN9. More complex actions are extended actions that take 10min per success needed to complete. But let's say that her shard makes bomb making ridiculously easy, TN4 and only needs one success to complete. This means that Bakuda has to option to auto-succeed because her dice pool exceeds the TN, but let's assume that she wants to make this bomb exceptionally well instead of just making a regular bullshit hax spacetime bomb. At TN4 on average 80% of your dice will turn up successes (80% because 10s count twice). With a pool of 9 dice, this translates to 7.2 successes on average. Again, scale it up or down depending on how bullshit you think spacewhalemagic is, although if you're outhaxing Sids you've probably gone too far.
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Ridtom
Good. Bad. I'm the man with the Wand.
I don't think Exalting Scions number 1 fan is a good idea....
UNLESS! We befriend Scion and have him help us! That's possible right?
I dunno if he counts as human enough for exaltation.
It would be hilarious thou.
That gives me an idea. Could we use the Cradle as anti-scion weapon?
FunkyEntropy
Occasionally insightful, possibly grumpy
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Might give Autochthon traumatic flashbacks of Adorjan.
...let's do it.
Ridtom
Good. Bad. I'm the man with the Wand.
Not Exalt him, but just get him to help us by befriending him. If anyone knows anything about opening Dimeonsional Doorways, it's Golden Bro.
Good god imagine if he and Autocthon collaborated?!
Cassiemouse
Market Atheist
So are you guys interested in actually doing the whole cult of the Great Maker thing?
Personally, no.
That would put us in opposition to pretty much all other religions.
Also religion is thought of as a personal choice, not reality.
People who don't think of themselves as believers of Autochon would be less inclined to hear what we have to say.
Also remember that we can't show evidence that faith actually does anything.(cause without a soul it doesn't)
Now, spreading the Word about him in non-religious context may be another matter.
Cassiemouse
Market Atheist
I am quite interested in getting a bunch of mortal followers who are loyal to us. They could help maintain our infrastructure and such. Yep. And doing a cult subplot would make for an interesting narrative, I think.
sainen
Elder Lich
Dragon can't Exalt, it came up when we were pick out our first candidate, she just isn't human enough to.
as for me I want:
Jade Vista
Starmetal Inquisition(Tattletale)
Moonsilver Who
Orichalcum Twins or Armsmaster
We have already sounded out Chevalier and Dragon - neither are prepared to spend the week and take the disruption to their working relationships and Dragon isn't possible anyway. Which is fine, they are already powerful and influential allies.
I agree that Missy would make good Exalt in a few years but she's too young right now. For all that she's smart and has grown up fast there are real limits to her emotional maturity and life experience that would make accepting her her agreement to Exalt ethically iffy and hinder her in the performance of her duties. Not to mention the social and legal disability of childhood which she'll have for another 5 years. OOC she'd rock and she's a known character for Grom to write but IC converting anyone younger than Taylor would be problematic.
I think we need to look beyond the list of usual suspects.
People I'd like Taylor to meed so we can assess their suitability:
The Numbers Man - as connected as Dragon in his own way, already committed to saving one world and you know what they say; "if you want something done, ask a busy person."
Tecton - a Ward but older than Taylor with genuine leadership qualities and a power that I'm sure the Great Maker will appreciate (includes a tinker library.)
Phir Se - Ruthless but capable of idealism and self sacrifice, a name to conjure with in India and a huge amount of power, Autochthon needs to know about time travel and, most impressive of all, he was on the brink of committing Endbringer justifies the means mass destruction but managed to listen to reason.
The Las Vegas Protectorate - for all our manipulative git needs. Once we have a social monster we can look among politicians and bureaucrats with more confidence.
Other Case 53s - we need to take people from this group, still, if a Case 53 manages to become a hero they're probably heroic.
Director Armstrong.
I agree that Missy would make good Exalt in a few years but she's too young right now. For all that she's smart and has grown up fast there are real limits to her emotional maturity and life experience that would make accepting her her agreement to Exalt ethically iffy and hinder her in the performance of her duties. Not to mention the social and legal disability of childhood which she'll have for another 5 years. OOC she'd rock and she's a known character for Grom to write but IC converting anyone younger than Taylor would be problematic.
I think we need to look beyond the list of usual suspects.
People I'd like Taylor to meed so we can assess their suitability:
The Numbers Man - as connected as Dragon in his own way, already committed to saving one world and you know what they say; "if you want something done, ask a busy person."
Tecton - a Ward but older than Taylor with genuine leadership qualities and a power that I'm sure the Great Maker will appreciate (includes a tinker library.)
Phir Se - Ruthless but capable of idealism and self sacrifice, a name to conjure with in India and a huge amount of power, Autochthon needs to know about time travel and, most impressive of all, he was on the brink of committing Endbringer justifies the means mass destruction but managed to listen to reason.
The Las Vegas Protectorate - for all our manipulative git needs. Once we have a social monster we can look among politicians and bureaucrats with more confidence.
Other Case 53s - we need to take people from this group, still, if a Case 53 manages to become a hero they're probably heroic.
Director Armstrong.
Ridtom
Good. Bad. I'm the man with the Wand.
But aren't there a couple billion that are purposely closed off by Scion and Eden?
Having Scion on our side would make the orocess so much faster...
Cassiemouse
Market Atheist
Circumstances can change and maybe we can work on making Dragon human enough to count?
Matropolis. She's female.
Idle thought; there's bound to be Weaver fansites out there, right? After the reveal of the Alchemicals and the Great Maker, ask Dragon to create a deniable account with a crackpot-poster puppet that draws almost-true parallels about Autocthonian physics ("They run on emotion! Weaver is powered by
I doubt they are closed for Scion. If he can access them then they are accessible.
Not like essence respects things like 'physical proximity' anyhow.