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A Stranger in a War-Torn Galaxy: A Supreme Commander/WH40k Quest

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I'm following Blademaster's logic, but instead of using more human-like xenos it uses Chaos, wich in my opinion is both the greatest threat to the Imperium and instrinsecally tied to humanity and sentient life in general.
I figure that understanding the true scope of Chaos would help her at least understand where a lot of the paranoia and the horrible stuff humanity does comes from; she would never agree with it of course, but she would understand that a lot of it is done more out of fear than cruelty.
It's a bit how learning that the reason the Knights kept their world in the middle ages was because they honestly mistrusted and feared technology raised her opinion of them (that's what happened right? Or did I read that wrong?).
Does that make sense?
 
Unhinged Weirdo said:
Does that make sense?
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The problem is that requires Revy to make alot of mental gymnastics to arrive at the same puddle-depth reading the "Chaos justifies the Imperium" reading certain people make with disturbing sincerity.

This goes back to Revy's issue of "you can't provide anything that isn't religious screed". You can't put Chaos into conventional military terms. It's been made by ten thousand years of expressing faith through violence, and the Imperium's response has been to continually kill more and more of what makes it human to create numerous and lethal religious zealots.

Chaos is The Bad Guy. Imperium is The Bad Guy. The UEF are The Bad Guys. The fact there's a sliding scale of "how cruel and nihilistic the faction is" does not make them any less The Bad Guy.
 
BOTcommander said:
I am not sure I follow the chain of logic that the existence of Chaos will make her think any better about the Imperium.
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Honestly it might make her loose more hope for the Imperium. I mean like how bad does your nation. Need to he that people will look at a daemon of nurgle snap their fingers and say "Yeah joining them will make my life much better." I can already tell ol revy is gonna have many moments of screaming into the void when she meets chaos. And then learns a large majority of people willingly join them.
 
BOTcommander said:
Sena needs to finally sprout angel wings

Well, she is closer than ever.
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Or you could just throw Blood Angels into the mix and have Revy get a face full of Form-Fitting Golden Armor Man.
Zegama123 said:
And then learns a large majority of people willingly join them.
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"Willing" is big air quotes. The Thousand Sons recruit through a Warp-based Underground Railroad for psykers and their families/friends, but that's about it. The Imperium is out to kill the less fortunate and suffering, but Chaos would happily slaughter them and sacrifice their souls.

Khorne, you cut loose in insane bloodlust or just straight up get born into a community of cultists. Nurgle, you embrace the depression and laugh as you die choking on your liquified tissue. Slaanesh… technically it's not all sex and drugs, but it's what gets attention.
BOTcommander said:
Some of you have some strange ideas about the extend to which being faced with Chaos is gonna disturb her.
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Daemon Engines and Possessed Titans/Vehicles? No biggie, that's just stuff with spikes.

The skyscraper sized bat-dog-bipedal thing that just cut the air with a flaming axe to open a portal? The giant blob of cycling guns that just turned flamethrowers into miniguns?

That's a lot more squick.
 
BOTcommander said:
Some of you have some strange ideas about the extend to which being faced with Chaos is gonna disturb her.
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Well most likely just gonna be her shrugging and just adding more targets for her artillery to take care of. The only "oh shit moment" will be if a daemon meets her face to face. But if that happens so many things have gone wrong that at that point we have messed up MASSIVELY.
 
BOTcommander said:
Problem is I think I would need to make an OC xenos race for that. Other than the DE none of the big factions fit that bill and I really don't want to pollute the narrative pool with self-made enemies.
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There are actually a lot of smaller alien species some of whom have their own nations, even if Tau is the biggest of them. At least of those that have a direct border with Imperium. But Tau are nowhere near the most dangerous Imperium needs to deal with - Hrud are much scarier when they actually decide to engage instead of evading Imperium and other threats.

-Draxian Hegemony is mostly a footnote but they have enough planets and ships to make Incursions into Imperium.
-Hrud are time manipulators and one of the scarier aliens out there perfectly capable of standing up to any major faction.
-Giant trilobite like Indaar don't seem to have a direct border with Imperium right now but their ships severely outgun those of Imperial Navy and a few encounters with them were incredibly costly.
-Khrave are warp-tech species capable of going toe to toe with space marines and cutting anything in half with weapons created directly from warp matter, groups of their best warriors were able to stall primarchs.
-Rak'Gol mantis like cyber enhanced raiders, their tech is lagging behind that of Imperium but circumstantial data shows that their production capabilities are way ahead, possibly due to automation, similar to Tau they lack psykers and their connection to the warp is very weak.
 
Second Lieutenant Katrisha Sena confidently led the way, gently urging the Sister Superior forward with her hands bound behind her back. Accompanying them were four members of the Sororitas, all clad in heavy UEF power armor, though their formidable presence was unnecessary. Any defiance against Lieutenant Sena was tantamount to defying the Emperor himself, a fact not lost on the Sister Superior, who hung her head in shame. Golden eyes bore into her sister's back as Sena silently cursed her for ordering one of her subordinates to carve verses of the creed into her skin due to a perceived lack of devotion.

Despite months of clashes with the Stoic Heart's leadership, Rebecca had struggled to eradicate entrenched disciplinary practices. While physical punishment had long been a tradition, the changing circumstances demanded a shift. If they insisted on self-flagellation, it must be channeled into intensified training, a concession to the General's directives. Sena, though reluctant, played her role as enforcer, knowing that escorting her Sisters to the holding cells was part of their punishment. There, the Sister Superior would face a brief confinement followed by demotion, her replacement chosen by the General.

"Marching on with steadfast might,
Under the Emperor's guiding light.
In faith we stand, our spirits high,
For His will, we'll fight and die.

The base was bustling with activity as the group passed by a battle convent engaged in a unit running exercise. A thousand Sororitas jogged in orderly ranks, all wearing identical gear supplied by the UEF. Sena could hear the Palatine leading her convent ahead, shouting marching verses in UEF Basic, which the whole unit echoed back. The integration of Sister Dialogous into the Battle Sisters had accelerated Rebecca's language training for the Stoic Heart, now that their numbers were no longer limited by power armor availability.

Unified with the UEF, we stride,
Establishing Order, side by side.
In unity, our strength is shown,
In His name, we claim our own.

The entire battle convent halted as they approached Sena. The Palatine instructed her Sisters to salute the Lieutenant. A thousand battle-hardened women raised their hands to their temples in a salute, while others placed a hand over their heart, completing half of an Aquila. Sena returned the salute before continuing on. Within the Stoic Heart, all official UEF personnel were respected, but the reverence for Sena and Rebecca was particularly intense, sometimes uncomfortably so, she pondered as the convent continued onwards behind her.

In every stride, His grace we heed,
Bound by faith, in word and deed.
With the UEF, we stand as one,
For the Emperor's will, our work is done."

The rapid changes in the Order over the past few months left Sena unsettled, unsure of what to make of the atmosphere shift.

Just probing the writing muscles.
 
Always Late said:
Or you could just throw Blood Angels into the mix and have Revy get a face full of Form-Fitting Golden Armor Man.

"Willing" is big air quotes. The Thousand Sons recruit through a Warp-based Underground Railroad for psykers and their families/friends, but that's about it. The Imperium is out to kill the less fortunate and suffering, but Chaos would happily slaughter them and sacrifice their souls.

Khorne, you cut loose in insane bloodlust or just straight up get born into a community of cultists. Nurgle, you embrace the depression and laugh as you die choking on your liquified tissue. Slaanesh… technically it's not all sex and drugs, but it's what gets attention.

Daemon Engines and Possessed Titans/Vehicles? No biggie, that's just stuff with spikes.

The skyscraper sized bat-dog-bipedal thing that just cut the air with a flaming axe to open a portal? The giant blob of cycling guns that just turned flamethrowers into miniguns?

That's a lot more squick.
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Well before it goes full on chaos they willingly join. But even when it goes full crazy mode there's still a sizeable (real scale wise not 40k wise) of people that would join them. Also one thing that always confuses me does the military know about chaos? cause like I would think they do cause I've read books that have the Guard mention about chaos but other ones I read they don't know jack about chaos.
 
Zegama123 said:
Also one thing that always confuses me does the military know about chaos? cause like I would think they do cause I've read books that have the Guard mention about chaos but other ones I read they don't know jack about chaos.
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Certain amount of information is classified depending on your rank. Civilians aren't allowed to know beyond what the propoganda puts out.
 
BOTcommander said:
When I dont threadmark something its not canon. This was just me experimenting with something.
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But aside from that, what did people think would happen. The SoBs are not immune to propaganda, the UEF is not nice, Rebecca demanded the ability to make leadership and diciplinary decisions for this reason, Hall specifically ordered a plan to worm the six square flag into the Sororitas minds as an ally to their holy mission.
 
Always Late said:
Certain amount of information is classified depending on your rank. Civilians aren't allowed to know beyond what the propoganda puts out.
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boy would not like to be an imp guard conscript and on your first day of battle see a bloodthirster fricking bench press then yeet a baneblade at your trench line. Then on the off chance, you survive that hell you get put into the forever box by the inqusition. Still think its over all dumb that the imperium doesn't tell people about chaos. I mean come on that is the biggest propaganda win you can have. Hey guys hell exists now better start praying harder or we gonna start lining you up!

I mean they already do that part but you know it'd be more enthusiastic.
 
Zegama123 said:
that is the biggest propaganda win you can have
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Chaos is a Cognitohazard. You don't have a choice when your soul gets tainted and your mind opened to the Four. To what degree, the Imperium doesn't actually know. Mostly because trying to figure that out winds up with an Inquisitor selling their soul to Chaos and dragging a bunch of important and innocent people with them.

They don't tell people because knowing will wind up with an entire world getting sucked into the Warp. It's excessive, but they have no way of refining their methods.

That was the whole point behind The Months of Shame: Even after the Space Wolves and Grey Knights put themselves in position for greater losses to spare the Guard being purged, the Grey Knights broke their oath and helped the Inquisition round up the soldiers into death camps. And then Exterminatus'd multiple planets because one person from those camps happened to be on it.

It's only dumb when modern day knowledge and research doesn't make people explode into Warp Portals.
 
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Always Late said:
Chaos is a Cognitohazard. You don't have a choice when your soul gets tainted and your mind opened to the Four. To what degree, the Imperium doesn't actually know. Mostly because trying to figure that out winds up with an Inquisitor selling their soul to Chaos and dragging a bunch of important and innocent people with them.

They don't tell people because knowing will wind up with an entire world getting sucked into the Warp. It's excessive, but they have no way of refining their methods.

That was the whole point behind The Months of Shame: Even after the Space Wolves and Grey Knights put themselves in position for greater losses to spare the Guard being purged, the Grey Knights broke their oath and helped the Inquisition round up the soldiers into death camps. And then Exterminatus'd multiple planets because one person from those camps happened to be on it.

It's only dumb when modern day knowledge and research doesn't make people explode into Warp Portals.
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I've always been of the opinion that telling a large group of people would lead to an initial burst of hereay, but then innoculate the group more effectively. There's probably been experiments run by solo Inquisitors to this end. Some wind up being warp bait. Others succeed, but are then subsequently judged by the Inquisition, alongside their charges.
 
Dynamesmouse said:
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I've always been of the opinion that telling a large group of people would lead to an initial burst of hereay, but then innoculate the group more effectively. There's probably been experiments run by solo Inquisitors to this end. Some wind up being warp bait. Others succeed, but are then subsequently judged by the Inquisition, alongside their charges.
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The two halves of that already exist.

"Tell a large group of people" is called the Schola Progenium. It's where the Inquisition gets the best you can with un-augmented humans. Still can fall.

"Inoculate against Chaos" are the Grey Knights and Exorcists Chapter.

Both projects still have incredibly high and lethal standards, and have very few numbers given the sheer magnitude of the Imperium and its armies.
 
BOTcommander said:
Problem is I think I would need to make an OC xenos race for that. Other than the DE none of the big factions fit that bill and I really don't want to pollute the narrative pool with self-made enemies.
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I mean, there are plenty of minor xenos you could use. I think the Slaughth might still be around, but I'm not sure. Up to you thought.
 
None of the minors have a fleshed out style of warfare I can use on an ACU scale. I would need to fanon basically everything.

The Hrud come closest, but they would not be particularly interesting to fight.
 
Always Late said:
The two halves of that already exist.

"Tell a large group of people" is called the Schola Progenium. It's where the Inquisition gets the best you can with un-augmented humans. Still can fall.

"Inoculate against Chaos" are the Grey Knights and Exorcists Chapter.

Both projects still have incredibly high and lethal standards, and have very few numbers given the sheer magnitude of the Imperium and its armies.
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Chaos existed for millions of years, before the Imperium, and it hasn't conquered the galaxy. The fact that it is so vulnerable to Chaos, that it must censor the mere existence of Chaos, is a mark against it
 
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