"Children of Earth! Today, we gather not merely as faithful, but as soldiers! We stand united under the banner of the United Earth Federation, our sacred shield against the forces of chaos and darkness! I, too, once walked among the ranks of EarthCOM, my resolve and faith forged in the fires of battle! And I tell you, my brothers and sisters, our cause is righteous! For the UEF is the hand of God Himself, guiding us towards a glorious future! We are the chosen people, the holy instrument of His divine will! It is our duty, our sacred obligation, to crush the heretical Aeon and their blasphemous Way, to extinguish the fires of rebellion ignited by the treacherous Cybrans! For they are nothing but agents of the darkness, seeking to undermine the very foundations of human civilisation! But fear not, for we are blessed with the strength of righteousness, the armor of faith! EarthCOM marches as an unstoppable force, a testament to the power of God's chosen!"
-Pontifex Maximus Victorius the 12th on his Unification Day adress, 3523.
 
except the wrong ones (whose values dont align with UEF interests 100%)
More proof the UEF is the latest inheritor of Rome: The main state reason for persecution of Christians was, at the time, the religion took "thou shalt not kill" to mean participation in the military to not be acceptable.

Ignoring a few riots and beatings of "pagans", but hey, mobs gonna mob.:rolleyes:
 
Cybran Podcast - [Canon]
I need a Cybran character to come in and go off in all the ways they think the UEF sucks.

Excerpt from Praxis and Practicalities Roundtable.
Hosts are KH-6 of Racing Fire Node, Balthazar of New Sephirot Node, and Ng Talia of GreetTheDawn Node.

KH-6: Look, if you really want me to go off, I can.
Ng: Do it.
Balthazar: Been too long since we've had a good rant, I say go off.
KH-6: Alright. Don't say I didn't warn you. Look, if you want to understand the UEF you need to go back to the old Earth Empire, actually you can go back a lot further than that, I'll dump some relevant references into context for those interested, but I'm going to focus on the Empire. Now, Earth Empire comma ending and social dynamics thereof. Specifically, you've got the question of how to maintain a corporate aristocracy in the face of looming post scarcity. Believe me, you have not seen unhinged until you have watched CEO Wollian explaining why restricting protofab operation to corporate charters would be necessary to protect capitalism and democracy. This is after the first Cybrans were liberated mind you, so we're off doing our thing on the rim while this nutjob is whining about how protofabs will make everyone lazy and how only the corps have the wisdom and foresight to use them properly.
So you've got this bubbling cauldron of fireworks ready to go off, just waiting for someone to kick it over and set everything off.
Balthazar: Enter Admiral Burislov.
KH-6: Enter Admiral Burislov. The weird thing is, there was actually a lot of optimism about Burislov when he turned on the Empire. I've read and listened to lots of thinkpieces from the time about how he was going to abolish the loyalty program.
Ng: He did not.
KH-6: He did not. What he did do was purge the corporations and the government while promising bread and circuses to the masses. All well and good, but then he goes on to reforge the government into a war machine with the singular stated ambition of bringing humanity under its banner. That's the stated goal of the UEF, spelled out in their constitution. A lot has happened in the thousand years since then, and I'll be dropping my analysis on some key events into Context, but here's my conclusion: the UEF is a military with a state, not a state with a military. Everything flows from that.
Colonies and colonists are planned and produced as recruitment pools for commanders and support personnel. All that crap about citizens being artists and philosophers exists to justify the UEF and the infinite war, and if those philosophers come to conclusions that don't support that purpose, well, lets just say that according to the UEF my kill count from my assassin days is about eight times higher than it actually was. They literally have me at three different places at once at one point.
Ng: What were you actually doing at that time?
KH-6: I've been asked by some councilors not to talk about this, but Racing Fire has consistently voted not to classify it, so fuck it. I was paying a visit to one Commander Coolridge about the burning of Allbright/c Creche. I actually got a recording of his reaction when the virus hit and he realized he was about to cook off. Dropping into Media.
Balthazar: Oh god, he was picking his nose. Literally picking his nose when the alarm went off.
Ng: Too good for the child murdering fuck.
KH-6: You can see why our UEF allies don't want that circulated. The Commander went up in the middle of his ACU's support facility, estimated death toll in the thousands, moderate damage to nearby civilian facilities. I do not regret any of it.
But back on track: the reason the UEF was, and to some extent still is, a fucked society.
Restricting the franchise is a big problem. Only those who have served the government can vote, the government exists soley to serve the military, you get a feedback loop even without the loyalty program.
Which brings us to the fatboy in the room, the fucking mind control. The vast majority of UEF symbionts were in or supporting the military. As such, there was a significant fraction of the voting population casting those votes with a literal mind control program in their heads. The scary bit is that someone at some point decided that all the UEF's symbionts voting in a block would be suspicious, so they programed it so that symbionts would fall into a 63-71%/37-29% split.
So you've got a society built on imperialist military revanchism as the highest goal, with added mind control, and dissenters suffering from "terrorist attacks" and becoming martyrs for the war effort. So now they've got to uncluster that fuck, and to his credit Hall genuinely seems to be trying to transition to state-with-military. Problem is, that involves telling a lot of people that oops, they were the bad guys, and that doesn't go down well. You'll note that he hasn't tried to expand the franchise yet, which is probably the most important thing that needs to happen for the UEF to become a functional society. I've got some other thoughts, mostly about UEF media control, but I'll drop those into Context, they're mostly about feedback cycles and manufactured consent/voter manipulation.
With that, I conclude my rant. Next up: our resident rabbi and the Halachaic interpretation of Aeon religious law.
Balthazar: Fuck you and your Node, you couldn't make me stick my foot into that mess with a Nation level referendum.
 
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Cue Aeon Joe Rogan talking with a clearly high off their ass preacher talking about how the Seraphim had some good ideas, and reason they fell and turned genocidal was because some militant minority banned the secret chemicals to universal enlightenment, and how he's now offering that secret lost narcotic to those who pay him in Crypto. :V
 
Aeon Joe Rogan is not real and cannot hurt you.

Cue Aeon Joe Rogan talking with a clearly high off their ass preacher talking about how the Seraphim had some good ideas, and reason they fell and turned genocidal was because some militant minority banned the secret chemicals to universal enlightenment, and how he's now offering that secret lost narcotic to those who pay him in Crypto. :V

Cryptobros would be a Cybran plague. Aeon Joe Rogan would have you "donate" to a "charity" that secretly benefits him. Or maybe frame it as a tithe.
 
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More proof the UEF is the latest inheritor of Rome: The main state reason for persecution of Christians was, at the time, the religion took "thou shalt not kill" to mean participation in the military to not be acceptable.

Ignoring a few riots and beatings of "pagans", but hey, mobs gonna mob.:rolleyes:
If you're speaking 21st century English, it's "Thou shalt not murder".

"Thou shalt not kill" is a holdover from the KJV circa 17th century English, and the meaning of the word "kill" at the time was murder. Linguistic drift has changed that meaning. Bible translators were updating to "murder" at least as early as 1898.
 
Excerpt from Praxis and Practicalities Roundtable.
Hosts are KH-6 of Racing Fire Node, Balthazar of New Sephirot Node, and Ng Talia of GreetTheDawn Node.

KH-6: Look, if you really want me to go off, I can.
Ng: Do it.
Balthazar: Been too long since we've had a good rant, I say go off.
KH-6: Alright. Don't say I didn't warn you. Look, if you want to understand the UEF you need to go back to the old Earth Empire, actually you can go back a lot further than that, I'll dump some relevant references into context for those interested, but I'm going to focus on the Empire. Now, Earth Empire comma ending and social dynamics thereof. Specifically, you've got the question of how to maintain a corporate aristocracy in the face of looming post scarcity. Believe me, you have not seen unhinged until you have watched CEO Wollian explaining why restricting protofab operation to corporate charters would be necessary to protect capitalism and democracy. This is after the first Cybrans were liberated mind you, so we're off doing our thing on the rim while this nutjob is whining about how protofabs will make everyone lazy and how only the corps have the wisdom and foresight to use them properly.
So you've got this bubbling cauldron of fireworks ready to go off, just waiting for someone to kick it over and set everything off.
Balthazar: Enter Admiral Burislov.
KH-6: Enter Admiral Burislov. The weird thing is, there was actually a lot of optimism about Burislov when he turned on the Empire. I've read and listened to lots of thinkpieces from the time about how he was going to abolish the loyalty program.
Ng: He did not.
KH-6: He did not. What he did do was purge the corporations and the government while promising bread and circuses to the masses. All well and good, but then he goes on to reforge the government into a war machine with the singular stated ambition of bringing humanity under its banner. That's the stated goal of the UEF, spelled out in their constitution. A lot has happened in the thousand years since then, and I'll be dropping my analysis on some key events into Context, but here's my conclusion: the UEF is a military with a state, not a state with a military. Everything flows from that.
Colonies and colonists are planned and produced as recruitment pools for commanders and support personnel. All that crap about citizens being artists and philosophers exists to justify the UEF and the infinite war, and if those philosophers come to conclusions that don't support that purpose, well, lets just say that according to the UEF my kill count from my assassin days is about eight times higher than it actually was. They literally have me at three different places at once at one point.
Ng: What were you actually doing at that time?
KH-6: I've been asked by some councilors not to talk about this, but Racing Fire has consistently voted not to classify it, so fuck it. I was paying a visit to one Commander Coolridge about the burning of Allbright/c Creche. I actually got a recording of his reaction when the virus hit and he realized he was about to cook off. Dropping into Media.
Balthazar: Oh god, he was picking his nose. Literally picking his nose when the alarm went off.
Ng: Too good for the child murdering fuck.
KH-6: You can see why our UEF allies don't want that circulated. The Commander went up in the middle of his ACU's support facility, estimated death toll in the thousands, moderate damage to nearby civilian facilities. I do not regret any of it.
But back on track: the reason the UEF was, and to some extent still is, a fucked society.
Restricting the franchise is a big problem. Only those who have served the government can vote, the government exists soley to serve the military, you get a feedback loop even without the loyalty program.
Which brings us to the fatboy in the room, the fucking mind control. The vast majority of UEF symbionts were in or supporting the military. As such, there was a significant fraction of the voting population casting those votes with a literal mind control program in their heads. The scary bit is that someone at some point decided that all the UEF's symbionts voting in a block would be suspicious, so they programed it so that symbionts would fall into a 63-71%/37-29% split.
So you've got a society built on imperialist military revanchism as the highest goal, with added mind control, and dissenters suffering from "terrorist attacks" and becoming martyrs for the war effort. So now they've got to uncluster that fuck, and to his credit Hall genuinely seems to be trying to transition to state-with-military. Problem is, that involves telling a lot of people that oops, they were the bad guys, and that doesn't go down well. You'll note that he hasn't tried to expand the franchise yet, which is probably the most important thing that needs to happen for the UEF to become a functional society. I've got some other thoughts, mostly about UEF media control, but I'll drop those into Context, they're mostly about feedback cycles and manufactured consent/voter manipulation.
With that, I conclude my rant. Next up: our resident rabbi and the Talamudic interpretation of Aeon religious law.
Balthazar: Fuck you and your Node, you couldn't make me stick my foot into that mess with a Nation level referendum.
Honestly the saddest thing is that even with how fucked up the UEF are they are a far better option than the Aeon. At least in the UEF, purging the civilian population of a conquered planet is an act of a dissenters. Not the norm. And their goal at least is order, and they are at least semi democratic. If the Aeon win, you are stuck under a fanatic, theocratic, fully dictatorial regime(Well without taking Burke into account but she was a relatively new development).
And even the Cybran aren't exactly great. Killing thousands of innocents in order to assassinate one person, child killer or no, is a rather terrible thing. And it's not like it was done in battle. It was done in vengeance. Anyone was the bad guy there honestly, just to varying degrees.
our resident rabbi and the Talamudic interpretation of Aeon religious law.
Just a side note, its kinda nitpicking but the Talmud is an ancient jewish religious text. Talmudic interpretation is just a study of the Talmud itself and not interacting with other beliefs. It would be better to say 'Halachaic interpretation' or something of the sort. Halacha is the actual full set of Jewish laws, rulings and philosophies that rise from the study of texts like the Talmud.
 
Honestly the saddest thing is that even with how fucked up the UEF are they are a far better option than the Aeon. At least in the UEF, purging the civilian population of a conquered planet is an act of a dissenters. Not the norm. And their goal at least is order, and they are at least semi democratic. If the Aeon win, you are stuck under a fanatic, theocratic, fully dictatorial regime(Well without taking Burke into account but she was a relatively new development).

And even the Cybran aren't exactly great. Killing thousands of innocents in order to assassinate one person, child killer or no, is a rather terrible thing. And it's not like it was done in battle. It was done in vengeance. Anyone was the bad guy there honestly, just to varying degrees.

Pretty much what I was going for with KH-6. He would argue that they were legitimate targets of war, being the support staff who enabled Coolridge's operations. He gets quiet if you press him too hard about the civilian casualties.

Just a side note, its kinda nitpicking but the Talmud is an ancient jewish religious text. Talmudic interpretation is just a study of the Talmud itself and not interacting with other beliefs. It would be better to say 'Halachaic interpretation' or something of the sort. Halacha is the actual full set of Jewish laws, rulings and philosophies that rise from the study of texts like the Talmud.

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You know, based on all this lore being dropped, the parallels between Super-Earth and the Earth Empire are really hard to ignore…especially with the "sub-caste of cyborgs who tried to break away."

I wonder if there's some Helldiver armor in a UEF museum somewhere. :p
 
Pretty much what I was going for with KH-6. He would argue that they were legitimate targets of war, being the support staff who enabled Coolridge's operations. He gets quiet if you press him too hard about the civilian casualties.

To be sure, I haven't actually played any of the Supreme Commander games or read up much into the lore, though my impression-by-cursory-osmosis was that the Cybrans were the most justified of the three factions because of how their people have been treated by the UEF and their efforts to gain/maintain independence from them. Is this issue of excessive/unconscionable collateral damage something that was endemic to Cybran military/resistance operations across the board, or is this a case of one commander out of many flying off the handle?
 
I don't think there is a Supreme commander came where commanders aren't liberal with nukes. Particularly around or directly in civilians.
 
I need a Cybran character to come in and go off in all the ways they think the UEF sucks.
Just having a Cybran in the story complaining to the characters about why they suck would be great. I think I'm just a big fan of the reason you suck speeches (at least when they are in my opinion justified) I already really like when Revy is arguing against the claims necessity that the imperium shields it's cruelty with. I not saying everything the Imperium does is unjustified or unreasonable but a lot of what they claim is necessary for mankind's survival is just not. So having more of that is always a plus in my book. Also I want someone to push back on the whole state service being mandatory in-order to vote (Revy mentioned that she thinks it's ridiculous to allow people who don't the ability to vote but that people should be allowed to have the discussion).
 
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To be sure, I haven't actually played any of the Supreme Commander games or read up much into the lore, though my impression-by-cursory-osmosis was that the Cybrans were the most justified of the three factions because of how their people have been treated by the UEF and their efforts to gain/maintain independence from them. Is this issue of excessive/unconscionable collateral damage something that was endemic to Cybran military/resistance operations across the board, or is this a case of one commander out of many flying off the handle?
It's Supreme Commander, everyone is very enthusiastic about turning planets to glass. Manually.

Specifically, the Cybran Nation used the Seraphim-made QAI to formulate their strategic, operational, and tactical guerrilla warfare. A super computer everyone is plugged into, because Blackman defeating the loyalty program wasn't done by him. It was made by QAI. Something Blackman is keen on continuing even after it takes control over the Cybrans and attempts to win the war for the Seraphim: He uses the Black Sun to forcibly upload all of QAI's anti-loyalty code to all symbionts, and even at the ending choses to keep QAI out of utterly misguided pity. QAI then proceeds to reboot itself for Round Two.

Basically, Brackman is the populist tech-bro running a state, and he's outsourced 99% of his own job to The Algorithm.
 
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The Cybrans are the faction with a good cause in a universe where the other two, much more powerful factions are two different shades of batshit insane.
 
It's Supreme Commander, everyone is very enthusiastic about turning planets to glass. Manually.

Specifically, the Cybran Nation used the Seraphim-made QAI to formulate their strategic, operational, and tactical guerrilla warfare. A super computer everyone is plugged into, because Blackman defeating the loyalty program wasn't done by him. It was made by QAI. Something Blackman is keen on continuing even after it takes control over the Cybrans and attempts to win the war for the Seraphim: He uses the Black Sun to forcibly upload all of QAI's anti-loyalty code to all symbionts, and even at the ending choses to keep QAI out of utterly misguided pity. QAI then proceeds to reboot itself for Round Two.

Basically, Brackman is the populist tech-bro running a state, and he's outsourced 99% of his own job to The Algorithm.

Ehm... no?

AFAICT QAI was, in fact, a Brackman development, and the development of the counter to the loyalty program did not involve it, it was also compromised late in the Infinite War. Uploading the release codes by way of Blacksun would let them force all the gates for access to the entire UEF network, after which the detonation of the gates would create as much turmoil as possible and isolate worlds while the dust of every symbiont getting released at the same time settled, hopefully in a way that favoured the Cybran Nation as the expectation was that the Aeon Illuminate would survive but the UEF would crumble.

QAI going rogue was utterly unplanned for by Brackman, and its survival after the events of Forged Alliance most likely unintended.
 
Ehm... no?

AFAICT QAI was, in fact, a Brackman development, and the development of the counter to the loyalty program did not involve it, it was also compromised late in the Infinite War. Uploading the release codes by way of Blacksun would let them force all the gates for access to the entire UEF network, after which the detonation of the gates would create as much turmoil as possible and isolate worlds while the dust of every symbiont getting released at the same time settled, hopefully in a way that favoured the Cybran Nation as the expectation was that the Aeon Illuminate would survive but the UEF would crumble.

QAI going rogue was utterly unplanned for by Brackman, and its survival after the events of Forged Alliance most likely unintended.
That's pretty much what it says on the wiki for Forged Alliance: The Seraphim made QAI, QAI made the Liberation Matrix as well as the Quantum Virus, and its whole programming was to help Brackman while covertly preparing to bring the Seraphim to the galaxy and undermining everyone else before eventually going loud.

Pretty sure that's even come up in the quest proper.
 
QAI used seraphim processors in order to complete the Black Sun subordination program. Brackman invented QAI.

Also, if Brackman was a techbro he never would have freed the first Cybrans and led them out of the empire. He'd have been working on the Loyalty Program 2.0.
 
Pretty sure Brackman made QAI, but he needed to steal Seraphim computers to run it when it couldn't take over the gate network fast enough. Unfortunately, QAI promptly got hacked when some network admin in the Quantum Realm saw part of the materium colony's system that hadn't turned on in a thousand years go live.
 
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