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A small fish in a infinite sea (SI).

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He could have tried line of fire warding instead or murder. Ya know gettim to bolt instead of trusting his bulwark not to get dispelled.
 
The Eromancer said:
I for one would have had no problems slaughtering the whole lot of them. If I were a planeswalker I'd be focusing on green and would of had the treea uproot themselves and strangle them all. Or spawn hordes of rats to eat them alive. Or have the ground swallow them whole and leave them there to die buried alive.

just me personally.
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The last one would contaminate his archeological dig.
 
Mizuki_Stone said:
I hate to say it, but you need more black.

Honestly you've been behaving a touch light on black for some time now. Even back before you got into land based magic you were more ruthless. Black is needed to let you do things that must be done. To much drives you insane, but to little renders you nonfunctional.
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He'll need to pass through one of the great swamps of Azeroth to get to the Blasted Lands, so that should sort itself out. If not, there's always Zangarmarsh, once they hit Outland.
 
JadeCriminal said:
This is gonna become a trope isn't it? Possible Definition: Unexpected danger out of the lefty field as a consequence of complacency or too much self confidence. See Also: Murphy's Law and corollaries.
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It's called Chandler's Law.
Winchester said:
He'll need to pass through one of the great swamps of Azeroth to get to the Blasted Lands, so that should sort itself out. If not, there's always Zangarmarsh, once they hit Outland.
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He needs a bit of time to attune to a land, so claiming while on the road is probably out (and Dawn needs her first set of lands first). And I don't know if he risks to claim land in Otland, it seems a bit risky with all the corruption. Maybe Shattrath is safe from that, but before someone claims the city its probably best to talk to the Naaru there.
 
edukated said:
Then what is the goddammed point of being a being of infinite power if you can't even go a frikin lvl 1 dungeon crawl/raid? ;)
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So the point of power is to slaughter those weaker than yourself?

By this logic, you should have no problem with Police or Military personnel murdering random homeless people they meet. After all, they're stronger than the bums, so it's ok in your book.
 
Blackmane said:
Isn't that basically the definition of a strawman argument?

To put it another way- are they homeless people alien psychopaths who kill and consume everyone that steps into their area of buming?
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Does Winter have any evidence of that?

Does he have the time to beat civility into their heads if he did?

The Trolls of Stranglehorn are not a serious threat to anyone outside small groups traveling the road.

Basically, as presented in the snippet, the trolls weren't worth the time, effort, or traumatizing Dawn even more to kill them all.

Murder should never be an easy or casual thing, no matter how much the victims may or may not deserve it.

This isn't a video game anymore to Winter, and it should not be treated as such.

And as for strawman arguements, you all are the ones going 'A video game told me that they're just evil mooks, so it's okay to slaughter them all on first sight, because Winter is a Player Character, and that's just the way things are. It's not like anyone who isn't a Planeswalker are real people after all. They're just NPC's.'
 
To repost this part since you posted and started a new page while I was replying:

As for the strawman arguments, many of you are the ones going 'A video game told me that they're just evil mooks, so it's okay to slaughter them all on first sight, because Winter is a Player Character, and that's just the way things are. It's not like anyone who isn't a Planeswalker are real people after all. They're just NPC's.'

Because taking time to think things through, get evidence that the trolls have actually done something wrong, or develop a plan to correct those wrongs isn't satisfying enough for some people.

Some people just want to watch the jungle burn.
 
I really wish people would keep quoting me as the 'kill them all' argument. I'm arguing that he should get more black, not that he should have killed them. A bit more ruthlessness in that situation may have been called for. I mean he literally was passive to the point of letting them surround him and poke at the barrier until he nearly lost it, when they had the apparent intent to kill them. He didn't have to even hurt them, but a small show of force, something he did not hesitate to display earlier in the timeline would have been enough to instill caution in the 'enemy' sufficient to buy much more time.

It wouldn't even bug me if he hadn't been willing to display that yes he was dangerous in the past, but he has, and he's also made comments about disliking using black mana in the past, while typically keeping it his smallest pool even when he's balancing out as best he can. All of that leads me to believe he might be a little mana imbalanced right now.
 
Brellin said:
Completely missing the point
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Are... you being intentionally obtuse? I just went on a huge rant about no, it's not great to kill people, and that killing people is something to avoid.

Now before Hiver deleted it for whatever reason he actually gave a explanation that made more then enough sense to me. Namely that he underestimated them, and by the time he realized 'oh I might actually be in trouble' he had blown though enough of his mana for that to actually be the case. That's fine, objection withdrawn. Arrogance is the cause of all kinds of stupid calls. I'd say that you'd think with his experience he'd realize that the situation was going to get worse, but honestly the last setting he spent time in, that kind of projection of 'power' would likely have cowed most of those who stood against him.

Still, it seems you guys are very much going berserk over the 'kill' issue when honestly a lot of people aren't even advocating for harmful, much less lethal force.
 
Mizuki_Stone said:
Are... you being intentionally obtuse? I just went on a huge rant about no, it's not great to kill people, and that killing people is something to avoid.

Now before Hiver deleted it for whatever reason he actually gave a explanation that made more then enough sense to me. Namely that he underestimated them, and by the time he realized 'oh I might actually be in trouble' he had blown though enough of his mana for that to actually be the case. That's fine, objection withdrawn. Arrogance is the cause of all kinds of stupid calls. I'd say that you'd think with his experience he'd realize that the situation was going to get worse, but honestly the last setting he spent time in, that kind of projection of 'power' would likely have cowed most of those who stood against him.

Still, it seems you guys are very much going berserk over the 'kill' issue when honestly a lot of people aren't even advocating for harmful, much less lethal force.
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I removed it because I dislike to give spoilers, even small ones :p
 
Arimai said:
However having read the author's reply I now understand why. However I am still puzzled why he is so weak that a normal fireball and lightning bolt drained him that much
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It didn't. They started to drain what he put into the shield when he formed it as he was in a hurry. The more he need to put into something, the longer it take to put up. The shield is not permanent, but it can handle itself for a little while without being fed more.

He simply wanted a shield up asap. If he used full power they could have hammered that shield all the way back to camp and it would still not have gone down before he reached it.
 
Hiver said:
I removed it because I dislike to give spoilers, even small ones :p
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Did I give away to much? I can edit out stuff if you like.
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Brellin said:
I wasn't talking to you so ... yeah. I'm not being intentionally obtuse, I just haven't bothered reading your posts because they all appeared to be about the same thing which I don't care about.
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Fair enough, I apologize, though really it is only a few voices that are calling out for total lethal force in this.
 
I was wondering why he didn't Plop down a literal line of fire. Their Trolls. Trolls allways hate fire. Theat should make them run like bitches.
 
What doesn't sit right with me is that Hiver didn't make a demonstration to intimidate. Given the situation, a hostile encounter with thinking beings that don't actually pose a real threat to you, the natural progression, to me, would be starting with attempted dialogue like he did, but followed up with a visible demonstration of power when that fails, then nonlethal takedowns, followed by lethal force. It feels off that he didn't even try to scare them off.
 
I don't quite understand why everyone is so worked up. Assuming all game data is 100% accurate, should the trolls have died a horribly painful death? Yes. However, given that I kind of doubt that being a veteran of the war in Northrend would be enough to let you go to Goldshire, punch the guard captain, and have him splattered over the landscape, or that the proper response to the fact that you've just tripped over your own intestines would be sitting down to eat some bread, the point seems moot. Game data cannot be assumed accurate (nor would he be likely to remember it in depth). Should he have taken a more aggressive stance? Probably. Is it in his character to hold back more than he should? Given that he's been treated as a god for ten years and is probably terrified of becoming Nicol Bolas 2.0, and thus has very good reasons to use a light touch, be it out of arrogance or fear, I have to say yes.
 
He got practically all the entertainment he asked for though, because all the copyrights expired or something.
 
Rufus Shinra said:
I've been in CrW for quite a long time, before the whole canard thing. Actually, look at the first page to Hiver's first SI... Or look in many MLP threads, or in the Index, etc., etc.
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Ah, we just don't share the same commonality in interest.
 
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