You mean to tell me that Hunger has to do specific JoJo poses to have some conceptual defense. I consider this an absolute win.
Vote ADS, pose in front of people and make weird noises.
A Simple Transaction I
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Vote ADS, pose in front of people and make weird noises.
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...After the discord conversation, Xal, saying this is an extreme dick move and you know it.
You know, for my own mental health I'm saying gone this time.
@ImperatorV: Sorry, I have to retract my offer. I'm banning myself from the thread.
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*shrug* Welll... he could commit to "just taking whatever Gisena manages to get" in negotiations? Tell her his aims and goals, and his limitations (though, she already knows about the Curses I guess) and just let her work towards them, and then simply accept whatever comes from her negotiating as-is. Might be reckless to commit like that, and might require a lot of faith, but... (Or Gisena can gauge and judge where Hunger would be unhappy with her negotiations, and walk away saying "No deal" and we resort to conflict with the other party. That's also a risk. But then so is everything.)
And I mean, in the end, he has several thousand years to complete his task. Even some amount of distractions or side-quests or annoying commitments or whatever, can probably be handled in that time.
Hell, we've never had a quest take multiple in-universe years, outside of the prologue/character-creation of Most High and Even Further Beyond (and, maybe, the WH40K quest with a DND sorcerer or wizard; I don't remember if the time-skipping in it involved years, but it might have), so. And even EFB... I think most of Nameless Yong's adventure, once he got started on it, got done in under 2 years or something like that? ... And that was with a character willing to be lazy and a decadent hedonist too, so he'd be willing to spend a couple weeks partying and shit.
So, I have some writing in support of Crimson Flare. It is more on Shaping, an expansive and variable magic system I have had most of the specifics of worked out for a while that I am just now taking down. I really would like some feedback on this if anyone has the time as I feel it is kind of incomplete is some ways but I can't quite pin down what else I need to put in it or cut from it to make it better, maybe its just disorganized. Some of the stuff I probably should have just put in there is going to be in later parts.
Shaping is the art, the technique, and the study of the structure by which the laws, concepts, and phenomenon of reality, both physical, metaphysical, non-physical or otherwise exist and work. It is based in the theory that it is the shape of a given reality or universe that determines the structure and function of its laws and other constituents. It is through the study and discernment of the shapes of the laws and phenomenon of reality that one can eventually learn to replicate them.
Shaping is quite a free form methodology for all that it works of the constant of shapes. This is because just as all matter and energy are constantly interacting with each other, so too are the shapes that define those interactions all tied together forming and breaking connections as they define their associated laws or objects. As shapes change objects change and vice versa. As a result of this the actual methodology by which shaping is performed is incredibly variable and diverse. It could be performed through a method akin to the various magics of reality, it could be done through a though process or meditation, it could be accomplished through a skill or technique or bodily movement, it could even be built as a piece of technology. So diverse are the methods of shaping that some shapers may not even know that they are shapers.
This difference between knowingly acting as a shaper and doing so unknowingly brings separates shapers into the categories of Natural Shapers and Knowing Shapers (typically just shapers). An example of a typical natural shaper would for instance be a swordsman who has perfected some part of their stances, form, or movements in accordance with a shape and have potentially further grasp the way of applying their energy to actively manifest the shape. For example a skilled swordsman who's demeanor or mindset allows them to pick what they will cut no matter the force they apply, or more distinctively a swordsman who can give life with a cut of his blade rather than merely taking it (while some of these capabilities are quite possible or even common for non-shapers in the field, shaping effects typically have primacy over non-shaping ones as they exist at the level of natural law or phenomenon at a minimum). On the other hand a knowing shaper knows what it is they have been studying or attempting. As a result of this they often find it more difficult to find a means through which they may actually apply any knowledge of shaping they may acquire but this active knowledge makes what they can do with it much more variable and makes it that much more likely they will be able to progress in the art, scale up their abilities and the effects they can manage, as well as expand their capabilities to shapes distinct from the one they first learned.
Despite the promise of being able to essentially reconfigure the workings of reality with effort and will it is quite difficult to actually learn shapes and even harder to work out a means of actually using them to produce their associated phenomenon. Shaping is a field that has little regard for talent as there are few if any surefire methods to actually learn a shape even with a mentor to walk one through it. Shapes are by there very nature difficult to comprehend and even if one can hold the whole of a shape in their memory, they may very well be missing the most crucial components that make it "alive" so to speak. This is even understating the level of difficulty to even learn the base form of a shape be it through research and experimentation, or through meditation and naval gazing, or other means of study. Shapes are inherently vague slippery things and the variants and relatives of any give shape are without limit.
This difficulty though has done little to discourage people the world over because of the extreme potential of shaping no matter what medium you perceive and perform it through. From simple shaper adepts with exotic effects that are far more powerful than they might initially appear to master shapers who have surpassed the realm of human capabilities and earned the right to trample most gods into the dust, to the utterly incomprehensible grand shapers who can create or destroy entire realities just by the act of existence (though from what few interviews I have been able to find it seems they mostly restrain themselves). The power and capacity offered by shaping is limitless if one has both the diligence and perspective to grasp it.
Shaping begins with the earning of but a single shape, what ever it may be. This is usually tends to be a shape of medium complexity as those are the easiest for those of an unlearned perspective to understand (Nearly all shapes are themselves pieces of other shapes save for the truly elementary shapes which are often difficult to understand for those used to a certain level of complexity without working them out from subdividing an already known shape, which is itself quite difficult. Shapes that cover the whole or a vast expanse of a single subject are equally rare for similar reasons. For more on shapes refer to the sections Shapes, a somewhat comprehensive guide.) The first shape usually has a particularly significant role in a shaper's development as it is the initial lens through which they come to investigate the world.
Initially most shapers, nearly all save natural shapers (who likely do not even realize they are shapers) and those that have a mentor, will be unable to do anything more than sense the shape and expand their perceptions of the world through it. Eventually through practice a shaper will eventually learn to form a sufficiently unaspected energy into the shape by one means or another (the methodology used can be nearly anything so long as it can properly form the shape. After which it is through experimentation and exploration of the capabilities of their shape that a shaper can eventually earn themselves and easier time either expanding upon what they know of the shape towards greater or simpler levels of complexity or learning new shapes altogether. All of these paths of progression are incredibly difficult so every little advantage is incredibly helpful to a new shaper trying to reach mastery.
There are a myriad of potentials even a new shaper can unleash from a given shape. It of course starts with the perception of the world through that shape, and all that is related to the shape through its context allowing one to vastly increase their knowledge of and sense for the associated phenomenon, object, or law of the shape. More active uses of the shape start from the temporary expression of what the shape represents and quickly progresses to the semi-permanent replication of objects, law, or phenomenon in accordance with the shape. As one grows more skilled they may stretch and change the specifics of the shape as they use it doing more than merely replicating something perfectly, to creating their own version of it though it takes quite a lot to actually leave the initial bounds of the shape. Ultimately a new shaper works to progress to the point where they can naturally and quickly string several shapes together with specific details added to each for desired effects producing desired results on short notice, this is the highest capability of a shaper before they achieve mastery for themselves either through awakening or an initiation.
Shaping, a not so brief explanation
Shaping is the art, the technique, and the study of the structure by which the laws, concepts, and phenomenon of reality, both physical, metaphysical, non-physical or otherwise exist and work. It is based in the theory that it is the shape of a given reality or universe that determines the structure and function of its laws and other constituents. It is through the study and discernment of the shapes of the laws and phenomenon of reality that one can eventually learn to replicate them.
Shaping is quite a free form methodology for all that it works of the constant of shapes. This is because just as all matter and energy are constantly interacting with each other, so too are the shapes that define those interactions all tied together forming and breaking connections as they define their associated laws or objects. As shapes change objects change and vice versa. As a result of this the actual methodology by which shaping is performed is incredibly variable and diverse. It could be performed through a method akin to the various magics of reality, it could be done through a though process or meditation, it could be accomplished through a skill or technique or bodily movement, it could even be built as a piece of technology. So diverse are the methods of shaping that some shapers may not even know that they are shapers.
This difference between knowingly acting as a shaper and doing so unknowingly brings separates shapers into the categories of Natural Shapers and Knowing Shapers (typically just shapers). An example of a typical natural shaper would for instance be a swordsman who has perfected some part of their stances, form, or movements in accordance with a shape and have potentially further grasp the way of applying their energy to actively manifest the shape. For example a skilled swordsman who's demeanor or mindset allows them to pick what they will cut no matter the force they apply, or more distinctively a swordsman who can give life with a cut of his blade rather than merely taking it (while some of these capabilities are quite possible or even common for non-shapers in the field, shaping effects typically have primacy over non-shaping ones as they exist at the level of natural law or phenomenon at a minimum). On the other hand a knowing shaper knows what it is they have been studying or attempting. As a result of this they often find it more difficult to find a means through which they may actually apply any knowledge of shaping they may acquire but this active knowledge makes what they can do with it much more variable and makes it that much more likely they will be able to progress in the art, scale up their abilities and the effects they can manage, as well as expand their capabilities to shapes distinct from the one they first learned.
Despite the promise of being able to essentially reconfigure the workings of reality with effort and will it is quite difficult to actually learn shapes and even harder to work out a means of actually using them to produce their associated phenomenon. Shaping is a field that has little regard for talent as there are few if any surefire methods to actually learn a shape even with a mentor to walk one through it. Shapes are by there very nature difficult to comprehend and even if one can hold the whole of a shape in their memory, they may very well be missing the most crucial components that make it "alive" so to speak. This is even understating the level of difficulty to even learn the base form of a shape be it through research and experimentation, or through meditation and naval gazing, or other means of study. Shapes are inherently vague slippery things and the variants and relatives of any give shape are without limit.
This difficulty though has done little to discourage people the world over because of the extreme potential of shaping no matter what medium you perceive and perform it through. From simple shaper adepts with exotic effects that are far more powerful than they might initially appear to master shapers who have surpassed the realm of human capabilities and earned the right to trample most gods into the dust, to the utterly incomprehensible grand shapers who can create or destroy entire realities just by the act of existence (though from what few interviews I have been able to find it seems they mostly restrain themselves). The power and capacity offered by shaping is limitless if one has both the diligence and perspective to grasp it.
Shaping begins with the earning of but a single shape, what ever it may be. This is usually tends to be a shape of medium complexity as those are the easiest for those of an unlearned perspective to understand (Nearly all shapes are themselves pieces of other shapes save for the truly elementary shapes which are often difficult to understand for those used to a certain level of complexity without working them out from subdividing an already known shape, which is itself quite difficult. Shapes that cover the whole or a vast expanse of a single subject are equally rare for similar reasons. For more on shapes refer to the sections Shapes, a somewhat comprehensive guide.) The first shape usually has a particularly significant role in a shaper's development as it is the initial lens through which they come to investigate the world.
Initially most shapers, nearly all save natural shapers (who likely do not even realize they are shapers) and those that have a mentor, will be unable to do anything more than sense the shape and expand their perceptions of the world through it. Eventually through practice a shaper will eventually learn to form a sufficiently unaspected energy into the shape by one means or another (the methodology used can be nearly anything so long as it can properly form the shape. After which it is through experimentation and exploration of the capabilities of their shape that a shaper can eventually earn themselves and easier time either expanding upon what they know of the shape towards greater or simpler levels of complexity or learning new shapes altogether. All of these paths of progression are incredibly difficult so every little advantage is incredibly helpful to a new shaper trying to reach mastery.
There are a myriad of potentials even a new shaper can unleash from a given shape. It of course starts with the perception of the world through that shape, and all that is related to the shape through its context allowing one to vastly increase their knowledge of and sense for the associated phenomenon, object, or law of the shape. More active uses of the shape start from the temporary expression of what the shape represents and quickly progresses to the semi-permanent replication of objects, law, or phenomenon in accordance with the shape. As one grows more skilled they may stretch and change the specifics of the shape as they use it doing more than merely replicating something perfectly, to creating their own version of it though it takes quite a lot to actually leave the initial bounds of the shape. Ultimately a new shaper works to progress to the point where they can naturally and quickly string several shapes together with specific details added to each for desired effects producing desired results on short notice, this is the highest capability of a shaper before they achieve mastery for themselves either through awakening or an initiation.
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
- Location
- The Voyaging Realm
Eh. I still don't consider it a real magic system, but I won't deny it has some mage-type effects. I still think of it as worse then a "real" magic system, but it's more magelike then sword stances, which are pretty warrior-coded.
Ultimately, I think all the options we have this vote are honestly really cool. ADS may be a warrior option, but having an auto-defense against everything is pretty great. Crimson Flare is a little magelike and more importantly saves Arete for a future mage-purchase. Ultra Gisena is also nice and does a lot (Curse mitigation and Gisena EFB magic being the important ones). I also had two really good offers for my votes, I just went with the one I felt was very slightly better for my plans. After all, even if Crimson Flare loses, if Renaissance Woman wins I still get part of the deal, so in 2 out of 3 outcomes I'm profiting.
Your post is coming off a little aggressive, did I offend you by taking the other side? If so, I apologize. It is just a quest though.
The Arete gulag has places for all. A lot of varied food as well - salt, salt soup and salt crystals. Perfect diet to generate Arete.
Maragas
Nothing to see here.
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- Tree House
Ugh, on the one had, I truly have no preference in a strange way. But on the other than I do love bribes.
Anyone want my vote? 2-1, no veto.
Anyone want my vote? 2-1, no veto.
Not me, I don't really care about it.
Duquette7
I am Fire, and I am Rain
One thing I've noticed with options offering potential, is that potential is locked behind further uses of Arete, so you are spending huge amounts of Arete, for the privilege of having more things to spend Arete on latter.
Power options like ADS give you everything they offer up font, every ounce of potential translated too immediate, scalable power, and guess what, when that next build vote comes? There will still be wonderful things to spend Arete on, this is a Rihaku quest, we are here for the build votes, and the blurbs.
In the meantime, rather then deferring power again, and once more trying to pull off an omake storm, or trusting the favor of the Dice, ADS lets us build safely.
The inner temple? Soloed. Ber got you stressing? Soloed. And so on.
Power options like ADS give you everything they offer up font, every ounce of potential translated too immediate, scalable power, and guess what, when that next build vote comes? There will still be wonderful things to spend Arete on, this is a Rihaku quest, we are here for the build votes, and the blurbs.
In the meantime, rather then deferring power again, and once more trying to pull off an omake storm, or trusting the favor of the Dice, ADS lets us build safely.
The inner temple? Soloed. Ber got you stressing? Soloed. And so on.
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ImperatorV
The Laughing One
- Location
- The Voyaging Realm
Uh.
Did something happen in the Discord? I'm usually not a fan of those kind of chats, but maybe I should head over there if it looks like it's significantly altering the discussion?
Also with Byzantine pulling out I'm off balance. Not sure how I should respond to this, I did say I was committing to Crimson Flare but now the calcs are different.
Did something happen in the Discord? I'm usually not a fan of those kind of chats, but maybe I should head over there if it looks like it's significantly altering the discussion?
Also with Byzantine pulling out I'm off balance. Not sure how I should respond to this, I did say I was committing to Crimson Flare but now the calcs are different.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
nope, we're already on the same option!
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
I had the same thought. I can't decide if that means that Gisena's Int is already too high to increase so easily, or if as a non-Cursebearer +Int is much harder for her to come by, relatively. I seem to recall +Int not really being a common thing for Seram either, though. Is my memory faulty? Ah, I can check.
Yeah, I don't know what the deal is with Hunger being able to grab +Int and +Wis so easily, compared to basically all other Rihaku characters that I remember. Maybe it's just that he's not actually a natural genius (except at abduction), and there's a soft cap he'll hit very soon if he keeps grabbing +Mental Stats? Is Accretion just that good at mental boosts (shoutout to Sharpbright)?
Or maybe Rihaku just changed the system a bit.
Zampano
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It wasn't meant to be aggressive! I put in the smilies to show that the line about tit-for-tat was meant as a joke. Like, I offered a 2k word post as a negotiation chip (feasible, proportional to other offers) and when outbid there would be a 200k word retribution (completely unfeasible, wildly over-reacting to the situation at hand).
The question about the ring was because I trust you to lead the way to the best Mage build we can get.
Nothing in particular, no.
It moves too fast for anything serious, and people post stuff anyway here because it generates Arete.
trying my best to keep it strictly shitposts, chief
gotta work up some more art, too
For what it is worth, if we pick up RW, I'd love for Flare to be next, so we could back up superlative diplomacy with actual offers of substance. And Give Gisena the ring safely, too.
But that is probably too arete-optimistic.
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
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- Chicago, IL
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- Any/All
@Sharkey_smt @DkArthas I just noticed that you both have signatures but aren't on the ledger. Can I ask what tiers of signature you applied for, and what date you first had your signature from?
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- Pindorama
Yes, he didn't want @Xalvitor to commit to Total Eclipse. I'll cover how many votes you think would compensate for him, within reason.
Duquette7
I am Fire, and I am Rain
I'll bump my offer to three votes, no veto?
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Byzantine made a comment about his worst-case scenario for your marker use and how he was offering it because he thought you wouldn't use it that way. When Xal suggested that use of the marker, Byzantine assumed that Xal had seen that and was specifically targeting him.
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
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- Earth
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- They
Eh. I didn't really apply for anything. But put it on the lower tier option if you want. I think it's been two weeks?
Well I am just posting in this thread so the lowest possible tier. Honestly I don`t remember - I think last week but I am not sure which day. Can I say yesterday(1st) for easier calculation?
Yeah but it also locks us into more sword and more forbear, and the more we take the more it will be argued that we have to take more to out scale the next apocryphal or what ever mess we have gotten ourselves into, or because synergy. Honestly, I think ADS is great but it lock us out of eventually getting trinity which it also great if not better. I also don't like the sword being the solution to all our problems.
we do not need to solve everything right this instant and take all the power and win everything, and honestly I am not sure that would be interesting. It would also vastly reduce what we can get out of the temple. Neither of the other options are pure potential and we already have one power/potential EFB, can we not just say wait on this because as it is a no pick option if we really need it (which I don't think we will very soon) we can take it so long as we have Arete l, but if we take it now not only are we locked into 3 sword EFB but I find it hard to believe we will give anything else the attention I feel it deserves.
We have taken plenty of power options, just because we cannot flat still the temple does not mean we are lacking power.
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