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ImperatorV said:
Man, today has been absolutely crazy. I just feel disappointed that I couldn't contribute to the Omake Grand Working because today is Father's Day and I was doing stuff with my family. Maybe I'll have time to create something before the vote closes, but that depends on when it happens and what else I do tonight.
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Yeah, unfortunately I've been busy as well and am still paying down my Lingering Exhaustion, but the index should be up to date once again. Thanks to everyone who's added fuel to the fires of this crazy omakestorm.

However, an acquaintance just messaged me with an interesting thought: Rune King applies To Shatter Heaven's bonus to all magic systems learned from now on. In taking Cut Through before it, are we denying our Sword Praxis techniques the benefit of a 400% training rate increase? Could conceptual limit-breaking aimed laterally allow us more general access to the Praxis? It may be a moot point given Dreadnought's rarity and cost (3 picks, 7 Arete), and maybe Cut Through's not a magic system according to whatever heuristic TSH uses to judge such things. But it deserves to be mentioned before we bite the bullet and buy it.
 
ImperatorV said:
Man, today has been absolutely crazy. I just feel disappointed that I couldn't contribute to the Omake Grand Working because today is Father's Day and I was doing stuff with my family. Maybe I'll have time to create something before the vote closes, but that depends on when it happens and what else I do tonight.
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No worries, it'd probably be best to spread things out anyway so that the indexers don't get overwhelmed! Not to mention everyone reading them!
 
I like how there's been this heroic effort when the only thing happening in story is Letrizia going to high school.

Study hard Letrizia! Make sure to discover some amazing 14 arete option to distract us!
 
vali said:
I like how there's been this heroic effort when the only thing happening in story is Letrizia going to high school.

Study hard Letrizia! Make sure to discover some amazing 14 arete option to distract us!
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Be careful what you wish for. We could get something that discounts super Juggernaut undead chimera or unlocks Pillars of Creation given Rihaku's earlier remarks.
 
Thematically speaking, it applies TSH by letting us see magic more clearly through our single eye by sacrificing the other. So TSH should work for any magic system we deign to study after getting Rune King.
 
Moreover, I'm not sure if things like To Shatter Heaven would even apply to advancement in the Praxis, which is something meant to be founded on the principles fairness and self-sacrifice. Those kinds of stacking rate improvements are the definition of unfair bullshit advantages that invalidate the efforts of those without them.
 
Letrizia tries to decide if she wants to go to school or have a spa day. The thread's response; 50k words, 20+ pages of posts, like a dozen pieces of art.
 
runeblue360 said:
Moreover, I'm not sure if things like To Shatter Heaven would even apply to advancement in the Praxis, which is something meant to be founded on the principles fairness and self-sacrifice. Those kinds of stacking rate improvements are the definition of unfair bullshit advantages that invalidate the efforts of those without them.
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Well, Progression applies to it at the very least, though it might be an exception.
 
Now then... how do we shake out how much arete we have out of Rihaku? If we somehow get more than 12 more than our starting we might wish to get Cut Fate for obvious reasons. Though that is very unlikely.

Anyway, my hope is we beat the temptation by rocketing straight past the 8.5 arete barrier so he can't tempt us anymore.
 
Unelemental said:
Well, Progression applies to it at the very least, though it might be an exception.
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Yeah, that's one of the things that confuse me about the Praxis. Even if it only requires Willpower to advance in, how can that advancement truly be described as fair when some people have access to bullshit magic powers that let them get stronger willpower faster? I suppose we'll see once we actually unlock it.
 
Unelemental said:
Should a situation occur where the Doom forces a confrontation and causes us to start killing these people, the former Hero will likely get traumatized and develop further complications.

So the question becomes, what could we do to prevent something like that?
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With Cut Through, we might be able to develop Battle Magic-ish I-can't-believe-it's-not-lethal attacks. Cut Through can do anything! Even... not cut through? :???:
 
runeblue360 said:
Yeah, that's one of the things that confuse me about the Praxis. Even if it only requires Willpower to advance in, how can that advancement truly be described as fair when some people have access to bullshit magic powers that let them get stronger willpower faster? I suppose we'll see once we actually unlock it.
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Not sure how much Willpower helps with the Praxis:
Rihaku said:
The Praxis doesn't have a casting stat!
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Of course that doesn't mean someone with high Willpower won't have an advantage when studying a magic system that requires effort and self-sacrifice. But I was referring to another statement of Rihaku that directly said how Progression types learn the Praxis faster:
Rihaku said:
They can both grow in the Praxis, but the Progression type will grow faster. This will become increasingly apparent at higher levels.
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Zfglx said:
Doesn't cut through have the same disadvantages as praxis namely in healing and restoration? So isn't it not good for everything?
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Sorry, I can't come to the phone right now, I'm still being logic bombed.

But yeah, Praxis is bad at those things even if it can do them, so it would be better to do swords and lasers and other utility stuff with it and grab other systems for its weaknesses, I think.
 
Well, since Praxis is the art of self-sacrifice, it's possible Rune-King would work with exactly because it sacrifices our eye. It's possible similar stuff is what lets the Progression types have such an advantage when it comes to using the Praxis.
 
Zfglx said:
Doesn't cut through have the same disadvantages as praxis namely in healing and restoration? So isn't it not good for everything?
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Our version would heal by cutting the wounds unto others. So not truly healing and probably can't repair damage to the Soul.

Fortunately that's what the Ruling Ring is for.


BrainInAJar said:
Well, since Praxis is the art of self-sacrifice, it's possible Rune-King would work with exactly because it sacrifices our eye. It's possible similar stuff is what lets the Progression types have such an advantage when it comes to using the Praxis.
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It may also not be required, since Praxis is... odd. By definition it is the unlimited defiance of the Rules and lacks conceptual limitations. So I'm wondering if TSH is built in.
 
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Unelemental said:
Not sure how much Willpower helps with the Praxis:


Of course that doesn't mean someone with high Willpower won't have an advantage when studying a magic system that requires effort and self-sacrifice. But I was referring to another statement of Rihaku that directly said how Progression types learn the Praxis faster:
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Do we have any idea about what kind of self-sacrifice qualifies? While we were quite good at burning away our self, I'm not sure how much more we have in the tank!
 
Unelemental said:
Hmm, I'm not sure the last one is feasible if the Doom will consider such magics an authority trying to impose its rules on us, so we might need to test things out and rely on non-magical means should this not work.
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I think Truthsaying or a more selective form of the Plenary Brand could help here. The main point of most of the laws we're likely to break would be the risk of harm caused. For example, if people want to confiscate our weapons, being able to perfectly reassure them that we will not attack unprovoked would do a lot for our functionality in society, assuming they don't discard it as mental influence on principle. From there, having enough power/potential to act as a deterrent/incentive would go a long way to making civilizations accomodate us, even if they think they could bring us down with sufficient wherewithal.
 
Though maybe the self-sacrifice is also about placing restrictions upon one's self in order to gain power, like a Geas. The theory about the Curses giving the Accursed his power had been more or less debunked, but that doesn't mean the Praxis can't have related mechanisms.
 
Hirorubie said:
Do we have any idea about what kind of self-sacrifice qualifies? While we were quite good at burning away our self, I'm not sure how much more we have in the tank!
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It's hard to square that circle for me. Self-sacrifice being the most powerful magic system, I totally dig it. The fact that it seems to be sustainable is where it gets weird. Progression Cursebearers can always scrounge up more "self" to sacrifice, but at that point, what's the sacrifice? Or if it was a meaningful sacrifice, where's the power?

That's why I think that the day-to-day casting is just about the effort, and the sacrifice is for breakthroughs and the big stuff. /unfounded speculation
 
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