Enohthree
Hypersane
A soul evocation with To Shatter Heaven attached to it's learning speed, some downtime to figure it out, and a mental map of where it could be best applied to wring the most benefit out of the Middle Ring.
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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- Original
I don't know how you can post this in response to me saying it's not in a league of its own when just last page you acknowledged that the options were valued at par.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Uttermost makes us 7 times as strong and fast.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Really? I read it as "don't rely on having a fight that drops Stranglethorn; Hunger powers you up real fast but it restricts your build decisions a lot".
I'm pretty sure the drop is "enemy whose themes are strongly resonant with Inheritance/powering up by hosting or imprisoning other souls".
Hey, I'm down to get Librarian if it's a choice between Librarian and Unerring. If it's a choice between Unerring and Uttermost, though, I'm definitely going to pick the one that isn't Uttermost.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
I'm saying choice count is not a reasonable way to determine which is more valuable when dealing with esoteric effects.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Yeeeesh, called out by the big guy. Sorry @Byzantine , your willpower may be unlimited but mine isn't, and I'm not really interested in taking Unerring if we'll be locked out of Stranglethorn.
[X] Lingering Exhaustion
[X] Forebear's Blade - Uttermost (4 picks)
Another point: taking Mental Contamination from Vanreir is a bad idea for Hunger personally, as it's likely to negatively affect his combat effectiveness. Vanreir, the guy whose interlude is titled Honor Unstained, the straightest shooter this side of the Temple, now influencing the mind of someone who barely got several deadly battles only through Age and Treachery. Will Hunger, the next time he faces an overwhelming foe, allow himself to deceive and cheat in order to win?
Librarian would be so much better...
Librarian would be so much better...
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
That is not what that says. He's saying that we can never be sure what picks we are going to get.
Not to mention that very logic could also mean Uttermost locks us out of basically everything too.
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- Location
- Pindorama
I don't think any of these options lock us out Stranglethorn. He's just warning us to pick whatever is best in the moment and not worry about future advancements. I'd say neither Unerring not Uttermost have particular synergy with Stranglethorn, as both rely on the speed of their attacks for both offense and defense. If we want to pick a synergistic option, Stranglethorn won't be appropriate for either of them.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
Homestuck
A tale about a boy and his friends and a game they play together. About 8,000 pages. Don't say we didn't warn you.
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- Location
- Pindorama
Hey, we got two mental contamination from the Forebear and barely noticed! The effects of such might be overstated.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Uttermost make SORD big, SORD GUD, vote Uttermost.
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
I don't think the point we're making is that X choice will lock us out of Stranglethorn, but that Uttermost as a defining trait is more coherent with the traits presented in Stranglethorn. Both are implacable, stubborn, and find a way. We give ourselves two avenues for that-- to be sharp and to cut through unerringly, or to dig our feet in and keep on going. The aesthetic appeals to me so goddamn much, for some reason.
Ah, screw it. Literal eleventh-hour betrayal, on account of Priest & Microwave wanting this.
[X] True Maiming
[X] Forebear's Blade - Uttermost (4 picks)
Renewed shall be blade that was broken.
[X] True Maiming
[X] Forebear's Blade - Uttermost (4 picks)
Renewed shall be blade that was broken.
Dark Abstraction
Infrequent Participant
- Location
- United States
None of these options lock us out of future ones, and anyone saying so is fearmongering baselessly.
Rihaku is clarifying that there is not a guarantee that a given option will be available in the next few fights. Which has always been true; if we don't kill things that make gardening likely, we won't get Gardener's Hallow. If we don't fight Knights we won't get Slayer's Knell or Knight of Holly (we've locked ourselves out of the former and soft-locked the latter through our progression however, because none of them offer XP anymore).
To act as though "You don't necessarily know what you'll end up fighting, so you don't necessarily know what picks you'll get from them" is a new concept is... astonishingly short-term memory.
Rihaku is clarifying that there is not a guarantee that a given option will be available in the next few fights. Which has always been true; if we don't kill things that make gardening likely, we won't get Gardener's Hallow. If we don't fight Knights we won't get Slayer's Knell or Knight of Holly (we've locked ourselves out of the former and soft-locked the latter through our progression however, because none of them offer XP anymore).
To act as though "You don't necessarily know what you'll end up fighting, so you don't necessarily know what picks you'll get from them" is a new concept is... astonishingly short-term memory.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Because it's the aesthetic for how we have been playing. You know? Suicidally?
- Location
- Canada
Why are so many people voting for Lingering Exhaustion? We only have nine more Apocryphal-free days and we can't do anything in the seven days we spend exhausted without risking making our exhaustion worse and are still tired for a week after that. Do people think we can power through the rest of the Temple in two days while tired? Or are they okay with the Apocryphal triggering while we're inside the Temple?
Dark Abstraction
Infrequent Participant
- Location
- United States
Just means you know how to suffer defeat while still coming back for more. It's rather sympathetic with Hunger's guerrilla warfare days, no?
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
We've given up clearing the temple before Apocryphal returns. It was never viable.
That's because Forebear is great! I'd gladly take another three from him. Vanreir, not so much. In fact, it's a little strange to see how we passed up Cut Through before this because of one point of Forebear contamination, but decide it's cool to take twice that from someone with a much less synergetic mentality.