Try to think about the vote in terms of Arete as well. This is the difference between getting the next Preeminence next update, or in the update after that. Alternatively, ask how soon you want RING or SORD UPGRADE or NEW EYE or NEW ARM and delay that by one vote. Timing is important for Arete, and we may end up in a situation with not enough Arete, and being unable to take the 7-costs.

Now I am imagining Byzantine voting for Stranglethorn even when it isn't an option

Strangle, even if it cannot be strangled. See, we're thinking in Uttermost terms already!
 
Stranglethorn is garbage with Unerring though because at least half of the latter's power set is based on Agility. Nerfing that with Stranglethorn would be a massive anti-synergy between two of our Defining Advancements. Chances are, we'll just choose some other Defining Advancement to make up the Rank penalty. This is the opposite of what you want if you want to get Stranglethorn. At least Uttermost has a level of synergy with cheap, extremely powerful blade-projections reducing the need for Agility and a massive Willpower bonus.
Remember, the fact that Unerring doesn't include the 'Blade' means it's apparently generalizable into things that are not, in fact, blades! Rihaku's said it's quite good for piloting giant robots, and I bet there's some synergy with magic and whatnot.

Two more fanarts incoming, soon as someone bumps the thread.
 
I'm operating under the assumption that Apocryphal will nail us with a 4-pick opponent sooner or later. Certainly not a guarantee, I just like that we're attempting a coordinated plan.
We've currently outscaled the Apocryphal so this seems unlikely in the short term.

Planning a build around taking a four pick now in order to take another one later when every four pick needs us to practically die killing something strikes me as unwise. The idea is to get strong enough we don't have to nearly die fighting things guys!
 
Not that either Unerring or Uttermost are bad with your current build, but you should probably plan to be strategically coherent within this vote and not rely on getting a specific Advancement in the future. Hunger's progression is rapid but part of the cost is less definitive choice in what he has access to.
 
Remember, the fact that Unerring doesn't include the 'Blade' means it's apparently generalizable into things that are not, in fact, blades! Rihaku's said it's quite good for piloting giant robots, and I bet there's some synergy with magic and whatnot.

Two more fanarts incoming, soon as someone bumps the thread.

I suppose I'll have to meet it with some fanart of my own.
 
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[X] True Maiming
[X] The Ring of Power - Inheritor
-[X] The Librarian
[X] Evening Sky - Opalescence

Righto then. I shall go down with the ship alongside ImperatorV!
 
The chances of this thread managing to avoid 4 pick fights is... nonexistent.
I feel like the chances of stranglethorn being offered if we take Unerring is very low. It's a magic soul agility build which has nothing in common with stranglethorn in terms of thematics.


If you think a problem can't be solved by a sword and the will to use it... you simply haven't found a way!
This looks super cool!
 
Remember, the fact that Unerring doesn't include the 'Blade' means it's apparently generalizable into things that are not, in fact, blades! Rihaku's said it's quite good for piloting giant robots, and I bet there's some synergy with magic and whatnot.

Two more fanarts incoming, soon as someone bumps the thread.
True, it just says "accuracy+++"
 
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We're going to have 30+'s in a stat or 7 Willpower pluses or a ready-made magic system or whatever after this vote, and iirc we had +Might when we came here. No wonder Rihaku was laughing at us, looking back, this place is ridiculous.

Not that this is new, but babby Hunger had no business being in this place.
 
Remember, the fact that Unerring doesn't include the 'Blade' means it's apparently generalizable into things that are not, in fact, blades! Rihaku's said it's quite good for piloting giant robots, and I bet there's some synergy with magic and whatnot.

That would be super! And also a bunch of stuff that doesn't benefit much from doubled Might, which is the argument with Stranglethorn. Unerring is cool enough on its own right (even if I dislike the thematic elements) but this plan of getting it and then Stranglethorn is bizarre. Why would you get a Defining Advancement that nerfs the primary ability of your other Defining Advancement?

And what the fuck kind of plan relies on getting into another fight like this one? If you want to double down on throwing yourself into horrible danger and risking Devastating Conditions, pick Uttermost, which could actually survive doing that.

His powerset is damned synergistic with ours, I mean, he killed Gabrielle with her multiple magic systems craziness and the Armored Knight before almost killing us. Specifically, it's like Heavy Counter applied to our attacks.

Plus, like, why is powerset the defining reason as to why a character is worth interacting with? Might as well apply to Baenlixnaire having spells which are dooming him or Tyranshal having Essence spells which make you moderately mad (Cerebation). Or Letrizia being totally dependent on an Arnament to be combat-useful to us at all.

It's not at all about interacting like them but becoming like them. Would you want our character to be mad and bitter like Baenlixnaire? Manifestly not, given how we spent 3 BP to avoid exactly that. How about Tyranshal? Letrizia?

This guy is cool but he's also significantly less competent than Hunger on a lot of levels. Why would we welcome him into our soul? At least the Forebear's mental contamination makes Hunger more capable of achieving his goals.
 
It's nice that someone likes my arguments. Most of this thread does not value my contributions.
You're doing fine man. All quests face the same realities of voting. A relatively small number of participants with strong opinions, joined by a massive tide of silent observers. Arguments, in order to be effective, must be aimed at the undecided rather than the devoted, in order to pull in those to your side who otherwise would have been ambivalent, or not participated at all.

This is slightly skewed in Rihakuquest, which enjoys an abundance of passionate voters, willing to champion their cause, but a relative lack of silent uncaring observers. That means that persuasive arguments are mostly read by those who already feel strongly for another choice. We're quite unlikely to swap to something else, particularly something perceived as a rival option, when we've already put effort into the option we care for.

That's a big part of why Rihaku counts arguments in his composite measurements. That way, even when you're trying to convince an already unreceptive audience, your efforts matter.

A big part of why I swap around so often is that I want to validate some of these wonderful efforts by you guys. Also to meme, but that first part sounds way more noble.

Fortunately for everyone, everywhere, I have but one vote to give.
 
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