Does That Bird have any other name or title? How'd you learn of it, were you, Questionable, and Birdsie all part of the same RP?
I spread no spoiler when I say this, that motherfucking shitstain of a blight upon any ontology is the part of the Ormulum that causes more rage in my heart than any other, and I have had hour long arguments about why the Dominion and its Litanists should all die.

FUCK. THAT. BIRD.
 
Why is Litany evil? Reaping I can definitely see the argument, but Reinforcement?
Far as I know, it's not even confirmed that they're powered by hymns in Hell.
 
Litany is evil because of how people (especially the Six) use it, rather than because of some kind of inherent moral flaw.
 
I mean, Reaping has some deeply awful incentives built right in. I don't remember what all the others do, so maybe there's something else problematic. Revelation has privacy violation and fate effects, I remember that much.
 
Why is Litany evil? Reaping I can definitely see the argument, but Reinforcement?
Far as I know, it's not even confirmed that they're powered by hymns in Hell.
The Litanies themselves aren't evil, but have some inhuman incentives. Reaping's only the most obvious of the bunch.

Reinforcement pushes you constantly to become more transhuman. The more you progress, the more certain things seem justifiable. Reinforce yourself to not need sleep; then not need food, and so on. Then eventually, you do not need anything. Boom, you're no longer reliant on society or empathetic connection to your fellow man! In a relatively good case, this means you'll become an ascetic monk pursuing eternal self-perfection. This is maybe the mildest, but there's enough space for malicious gradients; some conceited bastard might start to self-perceive as a perfect being. There have been documented cases of Reinforcers praying to themselves or their future selves. That can have nasty results.

Reassurance is something I often think of as the scariest Litany because it's based entirely on the power of lies subsuming truth. Ancient Reassurers can bend the world as easily as they bend minds. Even relatively innocuous cases (a Reassurance theme of, say, "isekai protagonism,") are able to completely brainwash you into an adoring slave, because an isekai protagonist has a harem, doesn't he? In even worse cases, you can have Reassurers based on fear who saturate an entire town in their theme and make it a literal nightmare to live in, forcing people to obey or else.

Reciprocity's the Litany of physical and social connections - if you can't think of why that has some nightmare fuel potential, take a moment. It propagates effects like nobody's business. Making Reciprocal zealots is easy, as is becoming a lich via binding phylacteries. You could bind yourself to an entire populace of mind-slaves and force a potential assassin to slay thousands before you can be put down like the rabid dog you are.

Then you have Revelation. It's sometimes said the Lord Revelator is the only being with true free will in the Dominion. This assertion's not accurate, since the Lord Revelator has fellow Lords and Ladies, and some Ancient contemporaries who retain sufficient hold over reality. Still, he's most likely got more freedom than anyone else. If he can play puppeteer with Ancients, then even mortal people are nothing in the face of a common Revelator. All it takes is one sour look at a cafe to trigger their ire, and a Revelator can turn your next year into a living nightmare with a whispered prophecy.

And finally, Repulsion. It's the Litany of banishment and warding; admittedly, this one's the most difficult to bend to inhuman or immoral incentives or wills, but you could still do something like banishing your own humanity or other essential aspects of selfhood until you eventually lose them entirely.

Like I said, it's simply that Reapers are the most obvious and noticeable.

(Although, this doesn't mean all Litanists are evil or something. Just a scary amount of them.)
 
A lot of places could benefit from the Ecumenist's attention, frankly.
 
Well, his gallery entry says he's drinking away what's left of his life at the moment.

I wonder if my Paladin build would Dream of him - he was Acknowledged as a Dreamer, and also had Dreams of Distant Fire, which combination I'm guessing would be a big part of why and how he Expresses. The question is if the Fire is all he would see in those prophetic dreams, and if that has enough to do with why the Ecumenist quit to show him anyway.
 
Reinforcement pushes you constantly to become more transhuman. The more you progress, the more certain things seem justifiable. Reinforce yourself to not need sleep; then not need food, and so on. Then eventually, you do not need anything. Boom, you're no longer reliant on society or empathetic connection to your fellow man!
Personally, I'd say that self-perfection to the point of narcissism isn't the worst risk of Reinforcement. The Litany of Creation lends itself first and foremost to the production of weapons of mass destruction or other artifacts of doom; depending on who is the Reinforcer in question (right, Lady Reinforcement?), said weapon cannot be put back into the hat it came from. Additionally, the transhuman experimentation on other, unwilling subjects is pretty much another issue: what happens if a Reinforcer has the aesthetical sense of a Tzimisce and desires to flesh-craft muggles into furniture? Bad things, that's what.

And finally, Repulsion. It's the Litany of banishment and warding; admittedly, this one's the most difficult to bend to inhuman or immoral incentives or wills, but you could still do something like banishing your own humanity or other essential aspects of selfhood until you eventually lose them entirely.
Shunting someone into the 11th dimension where life cannot exist isn't nice. So is using the Litany to keep a tortured individual on the brink of death for continued 'fun' - although to be fair that is hardly Repulsion's exclusive domain. However, I think Repulsion incurs in the risk of alienation from social bonds much more easily than Reinforcement due to being so entrenched with the concept of banishment and warding. It is quite telling that the two most known Repulsor are, respectively, a reclsuive scientist who sucks at expressing friendship and a cranky professor who gives a shit about two individuals in all the world.

(Although, this doesn't mean all Litanists are evil or something. Just a scary amount of them.)
This I will contest, even if an eventual debate is better left to private channels :V

Despite the Enclaves, the slums, Taxation and the potential abuse of Litanies, the Dominion is no worse than an Earth who had access to a bullshit magical systems and millennia to gird itself in a golden age. Arguably, it is better than such an Earth because for all their dysfunctions, the Seats have hold their spots for thousand of years without actual war and have ensured the Dominion is a decent place to live for most people.


...except Theresa. Fuck Theresa. She can die yesterday and nothing of value would be lost.
 
...except Theresa. Fuck Theresa. She can die yesterday and nothing of value would be lost.
Ah, some input from the Glove himself. Thank you, Glove-san. Your input on the Litanies is appreciated!

Anyway, Enclaves and slums aside, I am not arguing that the Dominion is not a decent place to live. Just that it's a concerning one, what with all the barely-checkered Ancients running around. The little man can get fucked over pretty easily. The statistical minority is indeed a very minor minority, but when it gets fucked, it has to bite that pillow hard.
 
Teresa Mercier, the Lord Reaper's First Praetorian. Honestly? Never met her in any game I played, but all accounts I've heard mark her out as a spectacular asshole, and given she's the inventor of a martial art based on unremitting violence and the idea that death and war are inescapable and people need to start accepting that, I'm willing to trust those testimonies.
 
Anyway, Enclaves and slums aside, I am not arguing that the Dominion is not a decent place to live. Just that it's a concerning one, what with all the barely-checkered Ancients running around. The little man can get fucked over pretty easily. The statistical minority is indeed a very minor minority, but when it gets fucked, it has to bite that pillow hard


Something something inhuman power is inhumane something something. Something something absolute power reveals absolutely.
 
Teresa Mercier, the Lord Reaper's First Praetorian. Honestly? Never met her in any game I played, but all accounts I've heard mark her out as a spectacular asshole, and given she's the inventor of a martial art based on unremitting violence and the idea that death and war are inescapable and people need to start accepting that, I'm willing to trust those testimonies.
Huh. If she's a Meti expy that's probably accurate, but Meti has enough charisma for it to not be obvious. And if she's an expy of the other obvious character, I'd expect Evil!Fem!Dugu Qubai to have a similar coolness aura.
Maybe she's a Tanya Degurchaff or maybe Taylor Hebert type, as viewed from the outside? Or she could just be a Battousai, I guess.
 
I should have some time to write near the end of this month. First on the agenda is the final version of Epic, and then we'll see about (hopefully) closing out Hunger's story. I had originally intended to close the vote around the new year, but there's probably no harm in letting it run until I'm ready to write an Epilogue.
 
Is Vengeance winning on omake-power, then? I think Freedom was winning on votes.
Edit: Apparently, Freedom is losing by three votes. I can't read all the voters for either faction, though - and Birdsie isn't obviously voting for either.
 
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Well whatever or not freedom overtakes Vengeance at the last moment or it wins... I have made my choice and am ready to actually see what will happen to Hunger.

I hope others are the same heh.
 
I think if we were voting Vengeance we should have voted full-power Maiden, and as literally the only person to have voted for that, I feel that this argument is extremely solid.
 
and as literally the only person to have voted for that,
According to the last vote count before the update at least TooSlow, Talace, and qwolfs (tis I) also voted all Maiden powers. A Simple Transaction I Original

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100 Ordinal Credits.
5 Cerulean Obols.
0 Radiant Electrum.

[1] - Do as thou wilt:

[ ] A Modest Realm - Manifest Realm

[ ] Gamble -
First Gamble: Receive [+1 Radiant Electrum] in addition to the listed reward.
[ ] 3: Incursion - [+2 Cerulean Obol]


Ally / Alternate
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[ ] II: Ally [20 Ordinal Coins] -
[ ] II: Armada [70 Ordinal Coins] -

Dream / Double
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[ ] II: Multithreading [28 Ordinal Coins] -

Cerulean Obols
[ ] Worldly Might [5 Cerulean Obols] -

Radiant Electrum
[ ] The Pocketwatch [1 Radiant Electrum] -

Credit: 100/ 7 / 1
Debit: 126 / 7 / 1
Net: 005 / 0 / 0

Strategy:
The Goal is to acquire powers that are either not our own, such as companions, or which can be reload upon in moments of exigency. The pocket watch can be reliably triggered if your life is at risk, and thereby allows you to optimize the effort you put into appeasing the Incursion entity.
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Oh right. Sorry to have maligned you. (That was a very long voting period. I think I might have called a marker on Aabcehmu at the beginning, but I'm genuinely not sure.)
 
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