Page 2427! Just 24 more posts and our (reduced) goal will be met!
 
Come on! We can shitpost harder than this.

Twice now I have tried to throw together CYOA for the Arete mines, and twice I have failed. I have so little to show, I cannot even supply you with notes.

This, compared to posters who put out thousands of words in the time it takes me to shit. Surely the crowd who once posted a hundred pages before the first narrative update, can handle a mere fifty more posts!
 
So much Foremost lore coming in at the end of the line. Really puts the "Shoguness" achievement in perspective - Gisena or Adorie could have been full Makers nearly a year ago.
 
Page gang, you have my post in these twilight hours; I teared up again re-reading my favorite bits. Both Gisenas ascension, when she looks upon the Lathe of Heaven and reads it's message, and Hungers meeting with Haeliel, when Hunger is hit by the one two punch of both seeing and understanding Justice, and being offered a job well done that for all the words being rote platitude, they felt so meaningful from her.

Forward.
 
Dien Bravo had been a shattered mote, less the true Surgeon than a single flake of its dermis; young as she was, the Maiden had come against him in full. Likely it was hubris to think he could overwhelm the Foremost unaided, much as he wished her cut down by his own hand. Now Hunger's strength flagged from grotesque exertion in the Praxis, the weight of his wounds only compounding that fatigue.

For the Maiden to be described as young after an eternity of training... the Foremost were of a different breed.
 
This was where I had the most fun - thinking about how Dien could use his one Implement to terrifying effect while Hunger & co rode around in Versch + Nova without even thinking about Noncombat uses. It's like using the Death Star to drive your kids to school. It can accomplish the task, but it is kind of missing the point.
 
This was where I had the most fun - thinking about how Dien could use his one Implement to terrifying effect while Hunger & co rode around in Versch + Nova without even thinking about Noncombat uses. It's like using the Death Star to drive your kids to school. It can accomplish the task, but it is kind of missing the point.

It's a shame we never truly explored the powers of Maker infrastructure. Hunger's dizzying ascent to power rendered too much of it redundant, but I'm sure concerted efforts might've dug up something that would be useful here.
 
Honestly, I'm not sure I agree with Hungers assessment here. If a full Foremost is this weak they can hardly claim the title in any broader context. They're still limited by the ISH, even.
 
It's a little bit outrageous that everything the Human Sphere prepared was swept aside in an instant upon the Maiden's arrival. I guess we don't actually have Retinue, but Gisena seemed like she was keeping up with Hunger up until the Wishes started rolling in. (Although now that I think of it, RW was acquired via wish as well…)
 
I mean, they are buffing Hunger, iirc. And Gisena is preparing her own intervention.

Perhaps she intends to hijack the Maiden's coalescence?
 
Honestly, I'm not sure I agree with Hungers assessment here. If a full Foremost is this weak they can hardly claim the title in any broader context. They're still limited by the ISH, even.

Let's be sane about things, please. For all that the ISH promotes a dizzying, unthinkable ascent to realms of power beyond any human comprehension, the Maiden is strong. She's stronger than Seram, even now, and despite his lack of curses, he's still closer to the average than Hunger ever will be.
 
Let's be sane about things, please. For all that the ISH promotes a dizzying, unthinkable ascent to realms of power beyond any human comprehension, the Maiden is strong. She's stronger than Seram, even now, and despite his lack of curses, he's still closer to the average than Hunger ever will be.
Sure, she's strong compared to her verse, she strong compared to Hunger, but she isn't Foremost by any stretch of the term, not in her broader setting.

Like, imagine knowing about the Accursed and calling yourself Foremost. It's kind of pitiful. I guess they could be Foremost in some obscure field, but the title really doesn't fit, imho.
 
I do think the next work, if and when it comes, will likely be lower power level than this one! But that's not exactly saying much...
Some settings that I would say aren't at multiverse level, for fun (I will count universal tho)

-Jojo (I'm pretty sure that doesn't really get proper multiversal unless with very high end interpretations)
-Touhou (on my wish-list and Rihaku did a quest long ago)
-Worm (isn't multiversal in any way outside of the Entity cycle stuff that isn't an attack or normally usable.)
-Bleach (again)
-Naruto (again)
-Kamen Rider (gets really powerful but most end game stuff is universal I think)
 
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Sure, she's strong compared to her verse, she strong compared to Hunger, but she isn't Foremost by any stretch of the term, not in her broader setting.

Like, imagine knowing about the Accursed and calling yourself Foremost. It's kind of pitiful. I guess they could be Foremost in some obscure field, but the title really doesn't fit, imho.
This is like saying The Nameless Yong cannot truly be Nameless because his name would be trivial to discover by one at the highest level. It's not relevant to us! It never will be! Certainly, they were bold with their name, but I can't bring myself to disparage them for it, not when that same spirit of boldness, the will to challenge a herald of the End of Stories is the reason the Maiden is currently beating Hunger's ass.
 
Sure, she's strong compared to her verse, she strong compared to Hunger, but she isn't Foremost by any stretch of the term, not in her broader setting.

Like, imagine knowing about the Accursed and calling yourself Foremost. It's kind of pitiful. I guess they could be Foremost in some obscure field, but the title really doesn't fit, imho.
I think that Hubris is an important component in the characters we've seen (Surgeon + Maiden) but I don't agree that comparing the A-dawg makes them pathetic. Haeliel is the embodiment of Heroism even tho Accursed is pursuing A Quest of much greater import, for example
 
Now's a good time to spotlight you guy's favorite Omake's as well.
It's slightly meta, but I never laughed so hard whilst feeling called out as when reading Sharkey's:
AST Noir - Vote DEATH or Die Trying - 2200 words

I hate this season. The weather sucks up all the slime and filth in the streets and pours it back down on ya. But then, that's what this city's all about. Name's Humphrey , private eye. I've spent my life in this concrete merry-go-round watching the same votes play out year after year, like a jukebox with only one, sad song. It's a city with no one to trust, and no one to love, where cigarette butts are the only ass you get.
I'll admit I voted my fair share for going off the deep end, but I always had an unrealistic amount of faith in Hunger, he's so damn cool that he even makes me think his dumb name is cool, it's insane!
 
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This is like saying The Nameless Yong cannot truly be Nameless because his name would be trivial to discover by one at the highest level. It's not relevant to us! It never will be! Certainly, they were bold with their name, but I can't bring myself to disparage them for it, not when that same spirit of boldness, the will to challenge a herald of the End of Stories is the reason the Maiden is currently beating Hunger's ass.
Nameless isn't making a claim to power or excellence with his name. He also doesn't seem to have much knowledge of the broader setting, so as far as he knows he is pretty much the strongest being he'll ever meet. If he called himself the strongest I wouldn't mind.

The Foremost, however, are making a claim, not only to excellence but to supremacy. They are saying they are better than, not merely excellent or powerful, or virtuous, but better than you and better than anyone. At the same time they do seem to know about beings tremendously more capable than themselves. They know they aren't Foremost.

I think that Hubris is an important component in the characters we've seen (Surgeon + Maiden) but I don't agree that comparing the A-dawg makes them pathetic. Haeliel is the embodiment of Heroism even tho Accursed is pursuing A Quest of much greater import, for example
It isn't that they don't measure up to the Accursed, no one does. It's that they don't measure up to a while ladder of beings -- a whole Procession of beings even, if the Forebear was anything to go by.
 
Gang, the boss wants to make it to 2430. Pick a topic and start dropping hot takes like your lives depend on it. Even if we can't peacefully make it to that marker, we can do it if we pull out the knives one last time. Shank each other!
Nameless isn't making a claim to power or excellence with his name. He also doesn't seem to have much knowledge of the broader setting, so as far as he knows he is pretty much the strongest being he'll ever meet. If he called himself the strongest I wouldn't mind.

He certainly knows about the boss, flying into his face was one of the projects we could pursue!

The Foremost, however, are making a claim, not only to excellence but to supremacy. They are saying they are better than, not merely excellent or powerful, or virtuous, but better than you and better than anyone. At the same time they do seem to know about beings tremendously more capable than themselves. They know they aren't Foremost.

What are aspirations for, if not to express ambitions beyond your station? We don't know what their true motives were in calling themselves that, but we certainly know they manage to harness the power of Curses? Who knows how far they might've gone, had they not been shattered in time.
 
Let's be sane about things, please. For all that the ISH promotes a dizzying, unthinkable ascent to realms of power beyond any human comprehension, the Maiden is strong. She's stronger than Seram, even now, and despite his lack of curses, he's still closer to the average than Hunger ever will be.
The ISH isn't even that big of a deal. We already knew about it, we just didn't have a coherent unit of measurement for it. It's technobabble, it's plot armor, it's the author conveniently forgetting their own exposition when it comes in handy. It's narrative shorthand for power beyond our ability to understand, but not to contextualize. It's the black box with Schrodinger's undead cat inside.

We just now have a way to compare undead cats.
 
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