OctarineShrike
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Hunger's final battle for this quest is currently unfinished.
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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- washington
qm just taking their time or anything else? Cause that battles like 4 or what 5 months in the making or something if not more? Not complaining I genuinely don't know the situation.
OctarineShrike
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Rihaku has recently(some point in the last few weeks IIRC) been giving cryptic Discord hints about a tactic that may be useful against the Maiden so it's possible that battle will get a conclusion.
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- Location
- Malaysia
Other possible tactics:
Un-CtF our Favor/Sword combo and pick something else. Candidates:
1. Blade/Tears - Maybe if Hungers gets enough + APP he can counteract Beauty.
2. Doubledip with a Hungerbaru fusion.
3. Cloak of Evening + Tears - Idk, maybe Hugner will lose the Battle of Dominions less fast.
Hunger also technically has 8 Panoply slots due to EBA, but it's not like we can make use of it.
We can also try Imprisoning the entire Human Sphere into the Realm of Evening. The Maiden probably can't continue the Contest of Dominion if everyone is inside the Pillars of Evening.
Try seeing if we can Silver of Evening Fault-Defeating Stance's drawback of only advancing 1(2) Domains per Sidereal year.
Un-CtF our Favor/Sword combo and pick something else. Candidates:
1. Blade/Tears - Maybe if Hungers gets enough + APP he can counteract Beauty.
2. Doubledip with a Hungerbaru fusion.
3. Cloak of Evening + Tears - Idk, maybe Hugner will lose the Battle of Dominions less fast.
Hunger also technically has 8 Panoply slots due to EBA, but it's not like we can make use of it.
We can also try Imprisoning the entire Human Sphere into the Realm of Evening. The Maiden probably can't continue the Contest of Dominion if everyone is inside the Pillars of Evening.
Try seeing if we can Silver of Evening Fault-Defeating Stance's drawback of only advancing 1(2) Domains per Sidereal year.
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Possible progress towards The Tactic that R's been hinting at:
I would've guessed that "use Silver of Evening" was already mentioned in the thread, but in a quick search the only real relevant quote I found was from Lealope on Aug 9:
However, the string "silver " only appears in a few places in the threadmarks which (allegedly) contain a hint about the strategy:
For reference, here's the SoE blurb:
If "use SoE" is an underdiscussed tactic, my proposal would be to apply the 2 stages of mitigation towards Indenture (Task Leeway) and reduce Hunger's vulnerability to a stray shot destroying the Human Sphere. This is one of the main strategic benefits of "Perfect Merger", which means that Arcanist!Gisena could spend her energy on other things, instead of using that effort on mitigation. OR, it would mean that a Supreme Merger with Aobaru could fight even more recklessly, and not worry about needing to prevent collateral damage.
In the long term, the +2 mitigation one day a week is active 14% of the time. I think that habitually activating SoE every week for 1 day, instead of saving it to use the defense in personal combat, would be a meaningful reduction in Apocryphal charge. Depending on how the higher levels of mitigation stack up, that could plausibly be up to a 2.8% Apo mitigation (cumulative over many weeks).
That's meaningful!
Rihaku gave a 'thinking' emote to this about 4 hours ago.Shard — Today at 6:24 PM
Can Silver of Evening on Apocryphal be used to duplicate Hour of Destiny?
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I would've guessed that "use Silver of Evening" was already mentioned in the thread, but in a quick search the only real relevant quote I found was from Lealope on Aug 9:
However, the string "silver " only appears in a few places in the threadmarks which (allegedly) contain a hint about the strategy:
For reference, here's the SoE blurb:
and the improvement from the Tower EFB:
Notably, Blood Halo applies +1 ISH to "all direct offensive actions and relevant forms of defense" so SoE will be boosted.
If "use SoE" is an underdiscussed tactic, my proposal would be to apply the 2 stages of mitigation towards Indenture (Task Leeway) and reduce Hunger's vulnerability to a stray shot destroying the Human Sphere. This is one of the main strategic benefits of "Perfect Merger", which means that Arcanist!Gisena could spend her energy on other things, instead of using that effort on mitigation. OR, it would mean that a Supreme Merger with Aobaru could fight even more recklessly, and not worry about needing to prevent collateral damage.
In the long term, the +2 mitigation one day a week is active 14% of the time. I think that habitually activating SoE every week for 1 day, instead of saving it to use the defense in personal combat, would be a meaningful reduction in Apocryphal charge. Depending on how the higher levels of mitigation stack up, that could plausibly be up to a 2.8% Apo mitigation (cumulative over many weeks).
That's meaningful!
- Location
- washington
So not that I would do this. But, considering amount of content in text does something to help. What would happen if someone I dunno just posted the bee movie script into the thread?
- Location
- Peterborough, NH, USA
There's a penalty for non-relevant things.
...Besides if you really want to rack up the Arete use the ultimate Bee Movie mod.
1. The entire Ice Age pentology, but every syllable is replaced by the entire Toy Story quartet.
2. Every second that the color green is on the frame is replaced by every video ever uploaded on Youtube. (Well over 600 million hours as of 2017)
3. Every ten seconds of these videos, every episode of the Simpsons plays.
4. Every word with a vowel in the Simpsons is replaced with the Bee Movie.
5. Every second a bee is shown, it's replaced with every episode of Spongebob played backwards.
That would take over 8 octillion years to watch normally. Playing from the Big Bang to now would have you at less than 1/30,000th of the total runtime. It was 8.672 back when Toy Story only had 3 movies, Spongebob had 205 episodes instead of 281, and Simpsons had 609 episodes instead of the current 751.
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- Location
- Malaysia
Silver of Evening on Apocryphal does give 2 extra stages of mitigation. Can mitigation be retroactive, reducing the difficulty of the Maiden appropriately?
Can we select Silver of Evening Mitigation: 'Once per Apocryphal Tribulation, Apocryphal is less bad'? Or something along those lines.
Or the two extra stages of mitigation can be effectively temporary Serendipity.
We could also maybe see if Temporary Mitigation of Decimator would allow us to, like, direct it's decimating effect on the Maiden.
Can we select Silver of Evening Mitigation: 'Once per Apocryphal Tribulation, Apocryphal is less bad'? Or something along those lines.
Or the two extra stages of mitigation can be effectively temporary Serendipity.
We could also maybe see if Temporary Mitigation of Decimator would allow us to, like, direct it's decimating effect on the Maiden.
- Location
- Europe
It may also be worthwhile to use Silver of Evening on a harmful effect caused by the Maiden. Perhaps removing whatever effect is suppressing Hungers regeneration would be worth while. Or, for obvious reasons, we could use Silver of Evening to defend against the Maidens trump-card.
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That's Blood Halo hitting us with a -1 ISH to healing, though if SoE gets the 'relevant defenses gain 1 ISH' buff then that would cancel itself out.
- Location
- Europe
It wouldn't actually heal Hunger, merely remove the effect preventing him from doings. His regeneration should still be good enough to make up the difference afterwards.
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- washington
so of the things rihakus done which has he definitively finished aside from even further beyond? I've gotten through most of the latter and wondering if they finished anything else?
- Location
- washington
hmm okay the exalted one die?
- Location
- washington
I thought the final battle hasn't happened here yet?
- Location
- Europe
An epilogue for Most High, though I'm not sure I'd consider it finished with that.
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- washington
I wouldn't really not to be mean an epilogue of an incomplete story is still well an incomplete story. You wouldn't call berserk or hunterxhunter finished if an epilogue came out right now would you?
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- washington
I mean I've not personally read the story it is why I asked if it got finished or petered out somewhat through and got an epilogue. Like some quests do as a sorta sorry here let me finish this instead of just ending without a finish sort of thing? It's still the fic equivalent of getting cancelled and and throwing in an ending super quick or a what could of happened in 30 updates downsized to one update.
Did it come to an ending cause there wasn't much left to do and the sequence of events meant the finale would come? Or did it essentially list a sequence of events of what could have happened given a lot more chapters?
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- washington
So can no one answer that? Because I was actually hoping for an answer cause depending on the answer I will read said fic. Just a hope really.
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- washington
Sad thanks for informing though I appreciate it. I just don't want to read something and be saddened by it. Hope this gets a conclusion here though even if it'd be a bitch to read through it all. Not even cause length but cause the qm doesn't exactly always make it very clear what votes won, what mixture of them, and his method of showing what won often varies from update to update as I've seen in even further beyond. Sometimes its not shown directly at all and I can't even use the thread tally reliably since votes aren't always the deciding factor which would be fine if rihaku provided the winning option every time reliably.
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- Europe
That changes in this quest, actually. Votes get shown at the bottom of the update and before the next vote pretty much every time.
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Praise be I'm not gonna lie it was fucking cancer trying to do it in the other quest. Rihaku wasn't even consistent in it. Sometimes it wasn't shown, sometimes middle of the update, sometimes before the update, sometimes multiple updates after the update where the vote was placed, sometimes in the comments a page or so before the update, and sometimes not at all, sometimes at the beginning.