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Just to throw a little gasoline on the Arete fire, I wonder if we're criminally underusing the RoE. We did one week of relaxation last month, and are on track to do just a few days this time. Our allies are facing various kinds of trauma, including an old enemy (Gisena), unspeakable warcrimes (Adorie), becoming an adult (Aobaru), becoming a subordinate after being an adult (Letrizia), and choosing between multiple badboys (Aeira).
It is a daunting list of challenges and only Wolfy has bothered to vote for True Relaxation.
It is a daunting list of challenges and only Wolfy has bothered to vote for True Relaxation.
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I expect moderate psychological damage across the board on account of lack of relaxation, but I suspect that it won't be totally irrecoverable, and it feels particularly important to get the maximum increase in combat power from this this Pillars proc in particular given it's coming as a surprise to Dien (in so far as he is capable of being surprised).
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So we know that Etrynome is going to be Dien doing his uttermost. (Well, Dien is always doing his uttermost, but this will be the big climax.) Assuming we survive, the next challenge will be utility/logistical/investigative. That means there is a two part decision here:
First: what is the most effective way to defeat Etrynome?
Second: what is the most effective way to locate and corner Dien?
It seems like the thread is ignoring our most potent weapon: Novakrion is head and shoulders above a baseline Armament. Piloted by Hunger it is 14x stronger. Equipped with a unique Weapon from the Artificer Gisena it could be made untouchable. Given a few weeks of Practice, Hunger could develop a dramatic advancement in both skill and power.
There are elements of Armament combat that we haven't explored yet. Surfing the probability gradient of the Astral plane, casually tossing planets across star systems, threatening (or defending) entire populations as part of a game of chicken... Hunger needs to be ready for what a talented and bloodlusted Armament pilot can do when they don't care about collateral damage. Dien wont balk at playing dirty, and the entire party (incl the teens) will be grouped together when we exit from Pillars.
Full Throttle will get us through the first gate; I'm absolutely confident that Hunger the Pilot can beat Etrynome the biohorror. It will likely cost less Arete to secure victory than choosing normal advancements one at a time via Strife.
That leaves us with the second gate: how do we find Dien? Well, Armaments are crucial for FTL and Letrizia has indicated that there are tactics available to teams of Armaments. Presumably these tactics will benefit from the participation of a Praehir.
Full Throttle will ease some of the constraints on Hunger's mobility, and in turn that will simplify Gisena's job of finding a plan to corner & kill Dien while closing off his various contingencies. She doesn't have to personally outscale Dien if she can outmaneuver him. Putting Hunger in the Robot gives Gisena a much stronger trump card: she just has to get Hunger close, because Nova has a long range weapon. It widens her margin of error while closing off more of Dien's possibilities.
Grace + Robot takes advantage of Hunger's absurd power growth, Gisena's grace singularity & artifice, and allows for combo-techniques with Versch (potentially boosting Letrizia's morale).
Grace + Robot is a good vote.
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Everytime I see YA Aeira, I remember what I sacrificed to get you Supreme Commander. My most precious IP, my pride and joy, my YA Aeira commision - sacrificed on the altar of Rihaku to give us some fighting chance. I will never forgive the Surgeon voters - they took everything from me.
PS: I am completely serious here, getting Closing the fist + SJUC would be the best choice. Arguments: not allowed to say why due to [spoilers]
PS: I am completely serious here, getting Closing the fist + SJUC would be the best choice. Arguments: not allowed to say why due to [spoilers]
^Crafted against Dien long agoRIP YA Aeira.
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[X] Barricade of Myth
[X] Full Throttle
Sorry, Aobaru. The Lord (Hunger) giveth and the Lord taketh away. At least with Attainment of Quickness your fractional ISH buff's more valuable than ever! Our decisionmaking's been a bit scattered lately, so Full Throttle seems like it'll provide a more decisive boost to Hunger's power rather than simply training harder without a spending plan. On an IC level he's already been doing his uttermost with the Praxis, which has yielded a slew of broken advancements. But that's not enough to deal with Dien decisively. Something has to change.
It's said that an Armament only attains its true power when piloted by a Praehihr. Time to test the truth of those words. Hunger has an awful lot of multipliers; let's see what Novakhron can do with them. It could provide insight into what Dien's done with Etrynome, our next major hurdle, and it feels wrong to just ignore the Apocryphal Armament and relegate Nova to the role of armor for Aobaru. A missed opportunity. Hunger can't manifest a Shroud thanks to OaF, but presumably there are piloting powerups that can compensate for that.
Barricade of Myth directly addresses the problem of Dien's plagues. With November Sky as a prerequisite it's an Arete-hog, but we could all use Mental Stability and A True Reprieve doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning with the current stakes. Adorie's also less acclimated to true horror than Hunger or Gisena and took some SAN damage recently. I'm not totally wedded to Barricade; Gisena's option this time around has potential, but even Hunger's barely outscaling Dien with his outrageous Progression.
Still, Mythology Halo could free victims of one strain on a stellar scale if Evoker's Panoply was incorporated into the Halo. The Truss looks like an application of the lightning element, something Seram could've eventually achieved. Hunger has broad control over the Realm of Evening, so perhaps summoning storms to facilitate mad galvanic science would be productive? +300% to all Attributes is also absurd, and it would leave Arete to spend on Novakhron synergies... I'll stop writing before I argue myself out of my current position.
[X] Full Throttle
Sorry, Aobaru. The Lord (Hunger) giveth and the Lord taketh away. At least with Attainment of Quickness your fractional ISH buff's more valuable than ever! Our decisionmaking's been a bit scattered lately, so Full Throttle seems like it'll provide a more decisive boost to Hunger's power rather than simply training harder without a spending plan. On an IC level he's already been doing his uttermost with the Praxis, which has yielded a slew of broken advancements. But that's not enough to deal with Dien decisively. Something has to change.
It's said that an Armament only attains its true power when piloted by a Praehihr. Time to test the truth of those words. Hunger has an awful lot of multipliers; let's see what Novakhron can do with them. It could provide insight into what Dien's done with Etrynome, our next major hurdle, and it feels wrong to just ignore the Apocryphal Armament and relegate Nova to the role of armor for Aobaru. A missed opportunity. Hunger can't manifest a Shroud thanks to OaF, but presumably there are piloting powerups that can compensate for that.
Barricade of Myth directly addresses the problem of Dien's plagues. With November Sky as a prerequisite it's an Arete-hog, but we could all use Mental Stability and A True Reprieve doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning with the current stakes. Adorie's also less acclimated to true horror than Hunger or Gisena and took some SAN damage recently. I'm not totally wedded to Barricade; Gisena's option this time around has potential, but even Hunger's barely outscaling Dien with his outrageous Progression.
Still, Mythology Halo could free victims of one strain on a stellar scale if Evoker's Panoply was incorporated into the Halo. The Truss looks like an application of the lightning element, something Seram could've eventually achieved. Hunger has broad control over the Realm of Evening, so perhaps summoning storms to facilitate mad galvanic science would be productive? +300% to all Attributes is also absurd, and it would leave Arete to spend on Novakhron synergies... I'll stop writing before I argue myself out of my current position.
"Not every hero is a main character. I'm the Protagonist here Aobaru"
I am not a merciless Tyrant, Aobarou. If you behave and eat your vegetables, I will allow you to park it sometimes
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Is Apo-Chan a power equal or greater to the accursed? Surely not. And even then, the Apocryphal Armament isn't the same thing as its curse...
but wait! Attra will be bonded to Hunger, just like Nova and Versch. So it won't exactly be subordinate to either of them...
I'm overthinking this but now I'm doubly sad that I didn't buy Patreon in time this summer 😭
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[X] Critical Mass
Yeah, okay, Grace + Robot. Just gotta make sure the Grace remains and we don't end up with like... Strife + Robot. That would be unfortunate since it doesn't help us find Dien or outscale him.
Hmm. No matter what wins, we should probably just pick up Sword in the Stone and go for direct rule of our territories. Spare the Innocent is neat and all but just look at how fast things have escalated. We've reached a point where our enemies can destroy more than a third of the Human Sphere as an incidental gambit of their actual plan.
It's not sustainable. We have to transition into the ruling phase of the game as soon as we can or there's not going to be anything left to rule. Even if the Apocryphal would target our people directly, I doubt it would cause this level of devastation. Between being able to stymie Dien's operations in the Empire via protective Rank, granting immense power through Hour of Reckoning and converting our muscles into administrative skills, this provides us everything we need in the short to medium term.
Alternatively, Once and Future II! If you round up, Mental Contamination from the Forebear is basically like Mental Stability, right? Very important stuff.
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The best kingdom scale defense is for sure NS/SitS/Hail The Queen. November Sky into Sword in the Stone right now is also probably single most powerful thing we can take against Dien and we can then just naturally translate it into Hail The Queen to purge the corruption. It is a very good build, especially since it doesn't require us to pick anything specific so we can also get Mental Stability for everyone. That's pretty nice.
Also, SitS and HtQ should allow us to easily manifest Fisher King as well as pick up Winter Brand at some point.
Also, SitS and HtQ should allow us to easily manifest Fisher King as well as pick up Winter Brand at some point.
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1. RE: Hail the Queen - One of the edicts reroutes the output of the Fonts of Myth. I wonder what that output is doing right now. Is it being squandered, or is there a benefit from un-harnessed Myth diffusing into Nilfel that we'd be pausing for the purposes of anti contagion tactics?
2. SitS could theoretically still be taken with Critical Mass, right? Hunger could put the sword down while he trains, giving Gisena a little bit of extra luck and maybe farming a few extra picks while practicing with Nova.
3. Similarly, November Sky would grant +4 INT and +5 WILL to Gisena while inside the RoE. That's not a huge % boost but mental stats are pretty rare and it would allow her to make full use of the Realm's more esoteric features during their limited availability
2. SitS could theoretically still be taken with Critical Mass, right? Hunger could put the sword down while he trains, giving Gisena a little bit of extra luck and maybe farming a few extra picks while practicing with Nova.
3. Similarly, November Sky would grant +4 INT and +5 WILL to Gisena while inside the RoE. That's not a huge % boost but mental stats are pretty rare and it would allow her to make full use of the Realm's more esoteric features during their limited availability