Hmm. Unlocking Adorie's second EFB and taking it at some point can be an effective Apo-chan mitigation since it might make her stronger than us, thus able to counter enemies that may be thrown at us and considering her quasi-mitigation for Apo-chan being a thing, we might get further benefits there too.
 
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[X] Sate the Hunger
I'd rather not sacrifice the weak and vulnerable for improved gains.
[X] Always Forward
A source of picks for us to spend our Arete on would be preferable now, since there aren't exactly many opportunities for us to gain picks outside the Realm of Evening without risking death. We also will be able to get more desirable advancements than we otherwise might outside.
You leave me no choice.
[X] Aeira

[X] Nightmare Flight

10 seconds is significantly longer than a fight at Hunger's level lasts anyways so duration wouldn't be an issue.
Just to remind everyone we were decimating for a few days when the quest started so this isn't anything new.
Hunger is now much stronger being able to fight Armaments and win. Armaments are Rank 10 and Rank 10 alone is enough to fight Stage 15 cultivators who would have infinite physical stats, so Decimator's range would likely be the entirety of the Voyaging Realm and the rest of the universe now. With a range that high even if a day of Decimation exposure would kill only 1 in 1000000 the death toll would still be unacceptable.
 
[X] Always Forward
[X] Plowshares to Swords

Get Fisher King from Always Forward in the first week.

Activate Grail Keeper when the Decimation returns.

*Grail Keeper: At any time while within a land he rules the wielder may take on the Decimator's Affliction into himself. For the duration, the Decimator's Affliction merely poisons the land, rendering it barren and and its residents infertile, rather than claiming lives. Territories not under the wielder's rule are not affected by this mitigation. This causes him to suffer the Affliction of Leprosy and the Mutilating Affliction for the duration.

Avoid fully Decimating the Realm of Evening for 8 days, plus the Voyaging Realm when we return. Grab a Sated target ASAP.

We don't have to spend an entire week on "A Hunger Sated", when we can just use Grail Keeper from Fisher King. (Though, yes, the prospect of more Picks or advancements from a fight is tempting...)

As for which Social to pick... Not sure. Aeira is tempting because she went off exploring the Realm of Evening, so we might learn more about the Realm! Plus, I'll bet the reason this option gives her a lot of power is because she returns and goes "So I learned that if I do X..." and Hunger uses his control over the Realm of Evening to channel power into her or something like that.

Aobaru is tempting because he could use the power and growth rate. Letrizia and Adorie again are also tempting. Fighting alongside an armament, getting more stuff and plans...
 
@Rihaku I'm petitioning for an extra social pick! We have two weeks and Aeria deserves some attention 🥺


[X] Always Forward
[X] Plowshares to Swords
[X] Aeira
[X] Nightmare Flight
 
Just Shoot Them
(Previously)

My flames block the shotgun blast easily, but my headache gets worse as hospital-gown sees me. Then they're moving again, outrunning the flames, which burn their burrowing-shell too slowly to reach them. Even with the whole surface on fire.
These cyborgs aren't terribly durable, they just have a lot of regen for their shield. I have the scale to overcome that, if I just burn a deep enough pit, but it'd take a while. I don't think I have the time.
So I sacrifice another breath of comfort/safety/future selfhood, pull a gun, and give it the weight of that devil set free. The bullets tear through their hillock as it strafes, spraying blood and rock chips, then traveling on to wherever they may. Given the flames and the Nine, that risk is... nothing I haven't chosen already. The cyborgs burn.
The smoke smells like sulphur.

I still don't know where Jack is, but I think the Nine will be fleeing. Whatever else they are, they aren't stupid - when caught out, scatter and retaliate from a distance. He's probably with the Siberian, or will be if he thinks he can reach.
The Siberian was... that way. A forest, opposite side of the river from the creek. But if I was in their position, I'd have Manton hidden among the prisoners, and keep the telefrag statue right in the best spot to ambush heroes who won't be playing the game.
The Protectorate has learned not to play their games.
Also, the sandstorm is descending - it's not dense enough to get through my flames yet, but the buildings are starting to disintegrate and I can't use the roads quite as freely. It might be worth the detour to kill Shatterbird. And Nonstop is like a minute out, although the storm's been playing merry hob with our comm signal.

[ ] The Creek
[ ] The Forest
[ ] Shatterbird
 
Before I forget, I would make a write in for us to train Adorie if I thought it had any chance. Currently Adorie's very presence boosts us significantly to the point where we can fight Armaments, however her lack of skill and experience make her a very obvious target and huge weakness in any of the fights we may face; taking her out or forcing her to retreat would absolutely be an important priority to whomever we fight. Considering this, giving Adorie training shores up what would be the biggest weakness of our current strategy, and makes us much harder to deal with in combat. As support, Adorie is relatively squishy right now, even considering the fact that (hopefully) she is part of Undying Vanguard simply because she wouldn't know how to defend herself from a peer-level opponent.

So I think this is something we need to shore up soon, and I'd be willing to give up the picks for it. Is there any more support for this?
I would. It's a very good idea, honestly. Make the vote, and I'll vote for it?
 
Adhoc vote count started by DkArthas on Dec 9, 2020 at 5:48 PM, finished with 52 posts and 22 votes.
 
[X] Always Forward
[X] Plowshares to Swords

Get Fisher King from Always Forward in the first week.

Activate Grail Keeper when the Decimation returns.

*Grail Keeper: At any time while within a land he rules the wielder may take on the Decimator's Affliction into himself. For the duration, the Decimator's Affliction merely poisons the land, rendering it barren and and its residents infertile, rather than claiming lives. Territories not under the wielder's rule are not affected by this mitigation. This causes him to suffer the Affliction of Leprosy and the Mutilating Affliction for the duration.

Avoid fully Decimating the Realm of Evening for 8 days, plus the Voyaging Realm when we return. Grab a Sated target ASAP.

We don't have to spend an entire week on "A Hunger Sated", when we can just use Grail Keeper from Fisher King. (Though, yes, the prospect of more Picks or advancements from a fight is tempting...)

The problem with just activating Grail Keeper is the Mutilating Affliction, which might stop us from getting picks in the last few days and would definitely suck for Hunger. Maybe we could grind 1 picks? I definitely expect a reduction from picks if we use Fisher King here for sure. And we might not even be able to hunt while Grail Keeper is active, actually. It's something we should do when Gisena makes us some prosthetics relevant to our tier, because right now it would basically severely hinder us.
I would. It's a very good idea, honestly. Make the vote, and I'll vote for it?
[X] Snow Queen - To defeat Armaments in the field, you will require Adorie's support; however, a lifetime spent in a tower is hardly adequate preparation for the chaos of war. Should you fight with her at your side, there is a chance your foes will recognize such vulnerabilities and exploit them, either limiting your actions or forcing her to retreat and thereby substantially weakening you. And yet, she wields the power of Winter, whose purview is Might; should the resources of the Realm be devoted to preparing Adorie for true combat, perhaps something will awaken...?

Here it is. Hope it's valid, @Rihaku.

And before I forget...

[X] Aeira
 
[X] Snow Queen - To defeat Armaments in the field, you will require Adorie's support; however, a lifetime spent in a tower is hardly adequate preparation for the chaos of war. Should you fight with her at your side, there is a chance your foes will recognize such vulnerabilities and exploit them, either limiting your actions or forcing her to retreat and thereby substantially weakening you. And yet, she wields the power of Winter, whose purview is Might; should the resources of the Realm be devoted to preparing Adorie for true combat, perhaps something will awaken...?

[X] Adorie
[X] Plowshares to Swords

i like it. And if we are doing this might as well take the Adorie social for maximum effect.
 
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With a range that high even if a day of Decimation exposure would kill only 1 in 1000000 the death toll
death toll would be roughly zero - Decimation takes away % of lifespan, which is not the same as actually killing people. Days and Lives are not actually interchangeable.

If killing person A would extend the lifespan of everybody on earth by 1 day, killing person A would still be wrong. There is a net increase of days of life lived, but it would still be wrong.
 
[HVB] The Creek

The goal is to have Jack dead before the train arrives. While he lives other parahumans become liabilities and the 9 benefit from the equivalent of a subconscious tactical network.
As long as he lives turning Bonesaw is a fools errand as well, since she's the second greatest threat on the 9 short and long term this adds further weight to killing Jack.
 
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The problem with just activating Grail Keeper is the Mutilating Affliction, which might stop us from getting picks in the last few days and would definitely suck for Hunger. Maybe we could grind 1 picks? I definitely expect a reduction from picks if we use Fisher King here for sure. And we might not even be able to hunt while Grail Keeper is active, actually. It's something we should do when Gisena makes us some prosthetics relevant to our tier, because right now it would basically severely hinder us.
We have 6 days remaining; hunting would be done in the first week. Ergo, only the last 1 day would be affected.

... Except. Would it really be affected?

Because, keep in mind: the Ring's progression boost is determined by how hard things are and how challenged you are. Suffering under Mutilating Affliction would be pretty challenging, no?

"Making things harder for yourself" is a valid way to get progression from the Ring Hunger.

The Mutilating Affliction via Grail Keeper definitely counts, I say.

If anything, I want to see what the Picks are from hunting while suffering under 1 day of Mutilating/Leprosy Affliction! We might get Advancements and Picks targeted at Decimator's or Grail Keeper or Mutilating/Leprosy!
 
Y'know, I bet Sealing Protocol Level I and Hyper Reactor would have some very impressive synergy.
[X] Always Forward
[X] Snow Queen
[X] Aeira
[X] Armor of Midnight

The problem with just activating Grail Keeper is the Mutilating Affliction, which might stop us from getting picks in the last few days and would definitely suck for Hunger.
Rank massively reduces wound penalties - I imagine it's part of why Hunger wasn't offered Immortal Sheath - and the Realm of Evening is difficult to get picks in because of easy healing anyway, so he already has to make the fights ridiculously difficult.
Honestly, I wonder if keeping the Blade cracked is a net positive to training here...
[HVB] The Forest

The goal is to have Jack dead before the train arrives. While he lives other parahumans become liabilities and the 9 benefit from the equivalent of a subconscious tactical network.
As long as he lives turning Bonesaw is a fools errand as well, since she's the second greatest threat on the 9 short and long term this adds further weight to killing Jack.
To be clear, SI-me isn't sure where the Siberian - and therefore, presumably, Jack - is, but suspects the video was a decoy and the Siberian is actually waiting to ambush anyone who heads straight for the prisoners.
 
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Because, keep in mind: the Ring's progression boost is determined by how hard things are and how challenged you are. Suffering under Mutilating Affliction would be pretty challenging, no?

"Making things harder for yourself" is a valid way to get progression from the Ring Hunger.

The Mutilating Affliction via Grail Keeper definitely counts, I say.

If anything, I want to see what the Picks are from hunting while suffering under 1 day of Mutilating/Leprosy Affliction! We might get Advancements and Picks targeted at Decimator's or Grail Keeper or Mutilating/Leprosy!
Difficulty doesn't flawlessly translate into power.

That is, an ant fighting a man might provide the same amount of picks as Hungers fight with the Rotbeast. All the same, the strength they'd gain would be very different.

A lessened and restricted hunger grows at a lessened rate.
 
[X] Always Forward
-- Buy Fisher King
[X] Plowshares to Swords
[X] Aeira
[X] Nightmare Flight

Looks like Hungers stay in Evening will end before I can finish my animation of him farming picks in a very showy way in Evening...
 
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We get Reversion the grace entire, and not just the ultimate Make Whole right?

I'm considering the Vanq + Temporal + Reversion build. Repair the Blade and full Rez is up in 3 months, and the Hunger + Gisena combo has been pretty OP up until this point.
 
As a sidenote, for those who are voting for Aeira because of the +??? Mystery Box,
[ ] Adorie - The Princess, now Queen of Nilfel was instrumental in Hunger's recent victories, and an eager spectator of his maritime exploits. Perhaps you can help Adorie create a palatable cover story to justify traveling with Hunger. She's upgraded one Sign already, but working together they might be able to advance even further... +++Adorie, Double effects of Sign Augmentation below, unlock second Companion EFB for Adorie, +???
In addition to the other bonuses, Adorie's pick has a mystery box too.

Outside of that, doubled blink-dodging time for boosted Nightmare Flight really shouldn't be underestimated in its usefulness in combat, tbh.

Also, EFBs that compound on EFBs are stronger than ordinary EFBs, which combined with the fact that Companion EFBs are disproportionately strong compared to normal EFBs, and the tremendous amount of Adorie +s that we had to gather to unlock this*, it means this could be some serious stuff. Oath of Winter was already great, so this is honestly quite exciting.

*We currently have 22-23 Adorie +s, and this would bring it to 25-26. Looks like 25 is the threshold for Companion EFB #2, then.

EDIT:
Might as well sum up the effort that was required to gather these pluses to give some perspective.

(Spent 25 Arete) Tears of Winter: Adorie +++++
Picked Oblique Means: Adorie ++
Took Adorie along for the Augustine fight: Adorie +, possibly ++.
Regency: Adorie +
Consolidate Power: Adorie ++
(Spent 28 Arete on her EFB) Myth and Legend: Adorie +++
(Spent Heroic Upgrade) Heroic Upgrade: The Tears of Winter: King of Winter: Adorie: +++++++
Evening Chill Adorie Social: Adorie +

As you can see, that's a lot of prep-work in order to fulfill the requirements for this EFB, which implies good things about its potency.
 
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I mean, I'm voting Aeira because I like her and I think she has interesting things going on. Getting a second Adorie EFB because Adorie's Loyalty is apparently super easy for Hunger to win would be... interesting, probably, but I think it's basically just unlocking Foremost Maker status and some lore from that perspective, possibly including something to do with the Realm of Evening.
Aeira, on the other hand, would get halfway to her first Companion EFB and would let us throw a spotlight on her Evening explorations. I just think it's a more interesting thing to learn about right now, especially after last update - Aeira got a plothook there, whereas Adorie didn't.
 
Oh yeah, if you want to vote for Aeira because you like her, go for it. That's a given, and I think people should do that more frankly. Though, I want to contest one thing:
. Getting a second Adorie EFB because Adorie's Loyalty is apparently super easy for Hunger to win
This is simply incorrect. We had to spend 53 Arete and a Heroic Upgrade to get 15 of the Adorie +s that we currently have. In addition, 3 pluses can be attributed to spending two of our valuable timeskip actions.

That's a pretty high expenditure, to put it lightly, so calling it easy is simply misleading.

As for plothooks, well, you said it yourself. Hunger has already wondered about the origins of this realm, and I think both Aeira and Adorie's socials probably will delve into that in their own ways, tbh. After all, the Realm of Evening was probably constructed by the Foremost.
 
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