A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
- Start date
- Original
Enohthree
Hypersane
Pillars can make Sated targets for us. But regardless we can't go back to previous sated targets otherwise the easy thing to do would be to simply swing by Elixir for five minutes, drink all of the bath water, and pay back the difference with a nationwide bloodcasting buff.
So it looks like I was right about Procyon's ultimate.
You only realised that now?
The Apocryphal Curse wants interesting times for Hunger, not Hunger's death, so endless edging would its ideal o
Cultivation is enough for it to be possible for Nameless to reach High Cursebearer level and is supposed to be around the same level as accretion so this very much plausible.
Lealope
Not yet invincible
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Where are you getting this from?
Rihaku said Nameless could reach High Cursebearer level if he wanted to.
Lealope
Not yet invincible
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I'm not aware of any such statement, do you remember where or when he said this?
As a sidenote, the main barrier is the time taken here, not the system involved. While I'm sure it's theoretically possible to reach High Cursebearer level with just Accretion between Progression and To Shatter Heaven, I doubt Hunger would be able to do it even if he bought an EFB every day for the full ten thousand year span of this task.
- Location
- Europe
Do you have a quote for that? Because High-cursebearers seem far beyond the scope of Nameless cultivation and talent.
Zampano
🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
- Location
- Simping for DSB
Without having seen the details on our complications yet, it is still possible for Strain to have been an unalloyed Good for the plot overall. The Republic Kill Squad's expedition might have arrived soon after we got back from the Realm of Evening, in which case we'd be facing an Armament without the Armor of Midnight. Madness.
Recall that at the purchasing opportunity immediately before this, the resounding conclusion of the thread was "we have enough power to fight Augustine, so we can put 3 picks and 12 Arete on Layaway instead of getting Honing + Iridescence." A thread that had just decided to spend 5 weeks on vacation instead of seeking power would have had little reason to challenge that belief.
So until we find out whether this fight consumed the defensive wish, and until we see the details of the damage from the fight (to the FB Blade & the Walls of Myth)... maybe you could ease off my balls a little bit?
Enohthree
Hypersane
It's already providing some 6 stages of mitigation to all of our Curses simultaneously, that ship has sailed.
- Location
- 1
...say. Pick count is related to downsides-on-loss, and some specific pick count- 4 I think it was?- was stated for one of the Decimator Mitigation things as requiring a risk equivalent to, if I recall correctly, death or severe injury.
If we get a reliable resurrection method, will that reduce the pick counts of all future fights because we're not at substantial risk of death?
If we get a reliable resurrection method, will that reduce the pick counts of all future fights because we're not at substantial risk of death?
Lealope
Not yet invincible
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Nah, there's a distinction between suppression/mitigation and attempting to cheese a Curse like that. Rihaku's only talked about degredation in the context of the latter.
On another note, we may want to use Silver Of Evening on the Apocryphal Curse in case we get another proc before we hit Pillars of Creation. Reducing the difficulty from 72.5% to 52.5% for a day would probably be quite useful. Depending on when we wake up, that day might not take us fully to the activation of Pillars Of Creation (we had about 36 hours left when the armament arrived), but a day to recover in a somewhat safer manner would probably still be useful.
Last edited:
Enohthree
Hypersane
On the flip side, we might want to burn it on mitigating the crack in our sword which would also be a very worthy candidate if it is a viable option.
I don't disagree, but it specifically works against a "hostile effect." I doubt that self inflicted injuries qualify.
- Location
- 1
the fight against Procyon from the perspective of someone with normal speed. It's very dramatic and fascinating, yup-yup!
As well as the 'Procyon punches the Walls' part on loop.
and while I'm at it, I'll include the single frame before Procyon uses its Ultimate to save anyone who wants to know what it looks like the effort of downloading the gif to pause it there. As you can see, Hunger is a grey line(well, should probably be sky-textured but whatever) because he moves too fast, and Procyon is in two postures at once for similar reasons.
As well as the 'Procyon punches the Walls' part on loop.
and while I'm at it, I'll include the single frame before Procyon uses its Ultimate to save anyone who wants to know what it looks like the effort of downloading the gif to pause it there. As you can see, Hunger is a grey line(well, should probably be sky-textured but whatever) because he moves too fast, and Procyon is in two postures at once for similar reasons.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
What happened there?
This has gotta be like 28 Arete by itselfthe fight against Procyon from the perspective of someone with normal speed. It's very dramatic and fascinating, yup-yup!
As well as the 'Procyon punches the Walls' part on loop.
and while I'm at it, I'll include the single frame before Procyon uses its Ultimate to save anyone who wants to know what it looks like the effort of downloading the gif to pause it there. As you can see, Hunger is a grey line(well, should probably be sky-textured but whatever) because he moves too fast, and Procyon is in two postures at once for similar reasons.
- Location
- 1
oh, yeah, that reminds me of a question I was planning to ask. is there a way to know how much Arete something was worth, leaving aside ridiculously specific circumstances like 'update happens with Arete count listed, one and only one post is made in response, new update happens with new Arete count'?
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
That was the tail end of chargen.
Man. Is it weird that I... kind of hope the pilot survived, and that Procyon is at least repairable from this? Feels kind of sucky. Especially with that last bit revelation at the end. Plus feels like there's things we don't know about the Republic and Empire and why things are happening and what's really going on.
Like... One of the things I'm hoping to do, is to make up for this. (If for no other reason than because Armaments are important to humanity. And... not to mention that, hearing that Procyon was the Armament that heralded the interstellar/astral age for mankind? I, again, feel bad about ending that sort of treasure of humanity. I'm hoping it's fixable. And the pilot, too. The Armament potentially is fixable, if we haul it (and Versch) with us into the Realm of Evening, I bet, isn't it?)
... Agh. One or more of the picks, or potential Choices or Options rather than Advancements, is going to be whether to use Procyon's components for anything, isn't it? Whether to repair it, or feed it to an artifact, or use to repair ourselves, or Versch, or to the Walls of Myth, or etc... And there'll be tons of incentive for using it to power ourselves up, isn't there. (Or feels-incentive for using it to help out Nilfel.) Or...
... Actually. I wonder. Could Aobaru be suited to piloting Procyon? That Vigorflame of his and burning spirit... could it hold an affinity for the Plenary Curse? (Yeah yeah I know, it's more Heroism rather than Plenary, but.)
Also, just realized another thing... Some of the Advancements on offer are going to be some kind of monstrous-sized boost to Rank, isn't it?
Feat: Saber or Feat: Titan-slayer
And it'll probably raise you to Rank 10 or something -- a huge and notable jump, especially because Rank gets harder to earn the higher up you go. So "only" getting +1.5 Rank or so Rank might feel like a bit of a letdown compared to huge things like being able to jump to Rank 5 after the Vanreir fight or something -- we should probably keep in mind that we're at rank 8.something by this point, so 1 rank or even .5 rank at our level is a huge amount.
And there'll probably be 2/3 or 5-pick versions of the Feats on offer, too. Meaning that if it's 2-3 Picks, it's going up against Ruling Ring components, Fisher King, OaF, hypothetical-5-pick-Advancement, plus whatever the heck else is going to be in there. (Like, for example, a Letrizia-related or Adorie-related EFB. Super Juggernaut Undead Chimera or something else. Actually now that I think about it, this would be a hell of an appropriate time and place to get some kind of Letrizia/Adorie-related EFB! Since we literally just fought an Armament for Letrizia and Nilfel. Heck yeah. ... In fact. Maybe there could be a Conjunctional: Letrizia and Adorie Advancement?) But anyway, back to the Ring topic...
I don't know if I want Ruling Ring right now.
But.
I would not say no to a Ring EFB. Not Dead But Dreaming though; no, I want something more appropriate to the feat of war or passion or life that we just undertook.
Because it occurs to me that we have 3 EFBs for the Forebear's Blade; Cut Through, All-Defeating Stance, Once and Future 1. 3 EFBs for the Evening Sky; Silver of Evening, Opalescent Tower, Pillars of Creation... but only 1 EFB for the Ring. Crimson Flare.
It's a shame that (IIRC?) it was joshed that there was no Special Advancement for getting 3 EFBs for each of the 3 Artifacts.
Because if we got 2 EFBs for the Ring, we'd actually have 3 EFBs for each of our first 3 artifacts.
Back to the topic of relationship-based or companion Advancements though.
You know what would be really cool to see?
Advancements for Letrizia and/or Adorie. Or, Conjunctional Advancements in that vein.
Heh. Actually, thinking about it...
Given that this was the first second major fight (almost forgot Augustine) where we used Praxis and had Adorie's bloodline boosting us too -- and given the brief words mentioning Adorie trying to 'stem' the aetheric bleeding of the Forebear's Blade -- it would be cool if a Conjunctional: Forebear's Blade and Adorie Advancement cropped up. Same for Forebear's Blade and Letrizia; since we used the Blade to strike down Procyon, and Letrizia pilots an Armament.
(((Hm. Conjunctional Advancement: Evening Sky and Adorie, as well as Conjunctional Advancement: Forebear's Blade and Letrizia? Hmmm...))) (Had actually gotten the Evening Sky and Adorie combo idea, after typing the second, lower, half of this post. But it felt like it fit in here too, so I moved it up here too.)
"Once per sidereal week, perfectly defeat any one hostile effect to which the wearer would otherwise be subject. Applied against a Curse, grants two stages of mitigation for one day and one night. May apply even to the Doom of the Tyrant."
That "once per sidereal week" bit. Doesn't that mean it doesn't count time spent in the Realm of Evening? Because it needs "real time" in order to recharge. This means that we would be using up a once-a-week thing, right after we faced a (presumable) Apocryphal proc enemy, while doing nothing at all... All to grant a measure of security in a 24 hour period. When we might not even know if the Apocryphal is even going to hit at all.
(Actually, I wonder what happens if you use the Silver of Evening's perfect defense while in the Pillars of Creation. Does it actually start counting down the time while in the Realm of Evening? But only if you used it in the Realm of Evening? If you used it outside and went into the Realm, the cooldown would count the outside time frame instead? Interesting.)
And then, we won't have the Perfect Defense for a week after coming out of the Pillars of Creation.
Well. I guess it's something to only do if the "in case we get another proc" part happens, as you said. So, only if we get another proc. (On the other hand, does it work that way? The Apocryphal Curse is partly "In hindsight, this must have been..." and "It turned out, a week/month/day ago, your enemy got a power up and he's coming for you now..."
Hrm. So basically the problem is that even if you use it proactively, to make sure the Apocryphal is weakened for that 24 hour period, the problem is that if anything were going to hit you in that timeframe, it would have gotten its power boost days or weeks ago and been, so... And then of course there's the absolute problem that the Apocryphal would probably be gleeful at the possibility of coming after you just as you exit the Pillars, because you just used up a long-cooldown powerful-effect!
So I'm thinking that we either use Silver of Evening on the wound we took if applicable.
You know, I was wondering what would have been a good time to use Silver of Evening during that fight. It seems like a good time would either have been when Procyon raised its Shroud or used its Ultimate Attack and Hunger physically blocked in place of the Walls of Myth, or if Hunger were about to take a second Shroud-active hit, or that moment when Hunger was making his last and decisive attack on the Armament.
In fact it occurs to me, that aside from using Letrizia to distract the Armament pilot, he could also have used the Silver of Evening to defend himself from Procyon's cross-counter, too.
Of course the problem is, I think most of the damage he took in that exchange was from exertion; over-using the Praxis and Piercing Through...
... Hm. Just had another thought. Silver of Evening and Adorie Mirellyian. I'm... not sure if this is going anywhere. No, more like. Since Silver of Evening was brought up as a 'I wonder if this can help restore our blade?' -- and since Adorie was already seen trying to do just that in the text -- I then started wondering about a Conjunctional Advancement: Evening Sky and Adorie Mirellyian.
That would be cool to see, too. Yeah.
Like... One of the things I'm hoping to do, is to make up for this. (If for no other reason than because Armaments are important to humanity. And... not to mention that, hearing that Procyon was the Armament that heralded the interstellar/astral age for mankind? I, again, feel bad about ending that sort of treasure of humanity. I'm hoping it's fixable. And the pilot, too. The Armament potentially is fixable, if we haul it (and Versch) with us into the Realm of Evening, I bet, isn't it?)
... Agh. One or more of the picks, or potential Choices or Options rather than Advancements, is going to be whether to use Procyon's components for anything, isn't it? Whether to repair it, or feed it to an artifact, or use to repair ourselves, or Versch, or to the Walls of Myth, or etc... And there'll be tons of incentive for using it to power ourselves up, isn't there. (Or feels-incentive for using it to help out Nilfel.) Or...
... Actually. I wonder. Could Aobaru be suited to piloting Procyon? That Vigorflame of his and burning spirit... could it hold an affinity for the Plenary Curse? (Yeah yeah I know, it's more Heroism rather than Plenary, but.)
Also, just realized another thing... Some of the Advancements on offer are going to be some kind of monstrous-sized boost to Rank, isn't it?
Feat: Saber or Feat: Titan-slayer
And it'll probably raise you to Rank 10 or something -- a huge and notable jump, especially because Rank gets harder to earn the higher up you go. So "only" getting +1.5 Rank or so Rank might feel like a bit of a letdown compared to huge things like being able to jump to Rank 5 after the Vanreir fight or something -- we should probably keep in mind that we're at rank 8.something by this point, so 1 rank or even .5 rank at our level is a huge amount.
And there'll probably be 2/3 or 5-pick versions of the Feats on offer, too. Meaning that if it's 2-3 Picks, it's going up against Ruling Ring components, Fisher King, OaF, hypothetical-5-pick-Advancement, plus whatever the heck else is going to be in there. (Like, for example, a Letrizia-related or Adorie-related EFB. Super Juggernaut Undead Chimera or something else. Actually now that I think about it, this would be a hell of an appropriate time and place to get some kind of Letrizia/Adorie-related EFB! Since we literally just fought an Armament for Letrizia and Nilfel. Heck yeah. ... In fact. Maybe there could be a Conjunctional: Letrizia and Adorie Advancement?) But anyway, back to the Ring topic...
I don't know if I want Ruling Ring right now.
But.
I would not say no to a Ring EFB. Not Dead But Dreaming though; no, I want something more appropriate to the feat of war or passion or life that we just undertook.
Because it occurs to me that we have 3 EFBs for the Forebear's Blade; Cut Through, All-Defeating Stance, Once and Future 1. 3 EFBs for the Evening Sky; Silver of Evening, Opalescent Tower, Pillars of Creation... but only 1 EFB for the Ring. Crimson Flare.
It's a shame that (IIRC?) it was joshed that there was no Special Advancement for getting 3 EFBs for each of the 3 Artifacts.
Because if we got 2 EFBs for the Ring, we'd actually have 3 EFBs for each of our first 3 artifacts. Back to the topic of relationship-based or companion Advancements though.
You know what would be really cool to see?
Advancements for Letrizia and/or Adorie. Or, Conjunctional Advancements in that vein.
Heh. Actually, thinking about it...
Given that this was the first second major fight (almost forgot Augustine
) where we used Praxis and had Adorie's bloodline boosting us too -- and given the brief words mentioning Adorie trying to 'stem' the aetheric bleeding of the Forebear's Blade -- it would be cool if a Conjunctional: Forebear's Blade and Adorie Advancement cropped up. Same for Forebear's Blade and Letrizia; since we used the Blade to strike down Procyon, and Letrizia pilots an Armament.(((Hm. Conjunctional Advancement: Evening Sky and Adorie, as well as Conjunctional Advancement: Forebear's Blade and Letrizia? Hmmm...))) (Had actually gotten the Evening Sky and Adorie combo idea, after typing the second, lower, half of this post. But it felt like it fit in here too, so I moved it up here too.)
Hmm, that's... an idea, but...
"Once per sidereal week, perfectly defeat any one hostile effect to which the wearer would otherwise be subject. Applied against a Curse, grants two stages of mitigation for one day and one night. May apply even to the Doom of the Tyrant."
That "once per sidereal week" bit. Doesn't that mean it doesn't count time spent in the Realm of Evening? Because it needs "real time" in order to recharge. This means that we would be using up a once-a-week thing, right after we faced a (presumable) Apocryphal proc enemy, while doing nothing at all... All to grant a measure of security in a 24 hour period. When we might not even know if the Apocryphal is even going to hit at all.
(Actually, I wonder what happens if you use the Silver of Evening's perfect defense while in the Pillars of Creation. Does it actually start counting down the time while in the Realm of Evening? But only if you used it in the Realm of Evening? If you used it outside and went into the Realm, the cooldown would count the outside time frame instead? Interesting.)
And then, we won't have the Perfect Defense for a week after coming out of the Pillars of Creation.
Well. I guess it's something to only do if the "in case we get another proc" part happens, as you said. So, only if we get another proc. (On the other hand, does it work that way? The Apocryphal Curse is partly "In hindsight, this must have been..." and "It turned out, a week/month/day ago, your enemy got a power up and he's coming for you now..."
Hrm. So basically the problem is that even if you use it proactively, to make sure the Apocryphal is weakened for that 24 hour period, the problem is that if anything were going to hit you in that timeframe, it would have gotten its power boost days or weeks ago and been, so... And then of course there's the absolute problem that the Apocryphal would probably be gleeful at the possibility of coming after you just as you exit the Pillars, because you just used up a long-cooldown powerful-effect!
So I'm thinking that we either use Silver of Evening on the wound we took if applicable.
You know, I was wondering what would have been a good time to use Silver of Evening during that fight. It seems like a good time would either have been when Procyon raised its Shroud or used its Ultimate Attack and Hunger physically blocked in place of the Walls of Myth, or if Hunger were about to take a second Shroud-active hit, or that moment when Hunger was making his last and decisive attack on the Armament.
In fact it occurs to me, that aside from using Letrizia to distract the Armament pilot, he could also have used the Silver of Evening to defend himself from Procyon's cross-counter, too.
Of course the problem is, I think most of the damage he took in that exchange was from exertion; over-using the Praxis and Piercing Through...
... Hm. Just had another thought. Silver of Evening and Adorie Mirellyian. I'm... not sure if this is going anywhere. No, more like. Since Silver of Evening was brought up as a 'I wonder if this can help restore our blade?' -- and since Adorie was already seen trying to do just that in the text -- I then started wondering about a Conjunctional Advancement: Evening Sky and Adorie Mirellyian.
That would be cool to see, too. Yeah.
Rihaku
The Internet
Certainly someone like Haeliel could resurrect them, were she so inclined, but any recovery of Armament or pilot within Hunger's normal means would be an epic undertaking at the very least.
Real time recharge, yup.