The Realm of Evening is an actual place, one that is possibly a critical piece of magical infrastructure that supports and upholds the voyaging realm. One concern is that by decimating that realm we'd be killing the whole voyaging realm.
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The Realm of Evening is an actual place, one that is possibly a critical piece of magical infrastructure that supports and upholds the voyaging realm. One concern is that by decimating that realm we'd be killing the whole voyaging realm.
Upgraded signs, like Bring to Heel, were stated to be equal to or surpassing the Royal Praxis, not the signs we have now.
Of course it would, we would be attempting to control a being stronger than us after all.
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Yeah, Bring To Heel was some hot nonsense.
...Man, imagine Upgraded Pennants with Elder Sign. I kept saying that Pennants were more of a potential-based option than a power-based one, that absurd casting time wasn't something to make peace with but something to Progress through, but... Well, whatever.
...Man, imagine Upgraded Pennants with Elder Sign. I kept saying that Pennants were more of a potential-based option than a power-based one, that absurd casting time wasn't something to make peace with but something to Progress through, but... Well, whatever.
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Thing is, Enclosure is still better. We have much more options to improve power than to translate same power into utility.
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Elder Sign would be amazing if we'd taken Pennants. +2 Rank for 8 hours of cast time, +4 for 80. That's some wild shit, especially since we could just cast the second tier version in Pillars with plenty of time to spare. That's basically a get out of jail free card for any kind of enemy we'd face. And if it had been upgraded on top of that...
We won't be Decimating the Realm of Evening. An Artemisinin satiety lasts 60 days, a lunar month + 21 is 50 days. If we Hunt in the last week of our stay the whole of our next stay is covered plus a few days beyond if the Hunt at the end of that stay fails and we have to do something in normal time.
edit: We will still be subject to ~25% apocryphal while in RoE though.
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Pendantry: it would be 33% apocryphal while in RoE. The Realm's Mitigation does not stack with other mitigation approaches.
Also, the number of HM targets that can be generated by Pillars is limited. We won't get perfect and indefinite mitigation of Decimator just by buying Pillars. Better to expect that our hunts will happen outside of the realm of Evening whenever possible.
That's assuming that it would double Rank instead of duration or something.
Yeah, but that's without Artemisinin. With it, we get same(in fact somewhat higher) mitigation than we initially aimed for with Pillars/FK.
Decimator, Indenture and Apocrypha tick away, sure, but it's not like we are wasting time. In the end, we and Curses are moving, but events outside are not. And that's what matters.
Well, that and solving pick drought and providing long term scaling and being source of mental stability and having our teammates train too etc. Like, there's a reason why we are getting Pillars - if you made a list of problems we need to solve, Pillars would be solution to many.
Question is, do you consider Forebear's Blade to be unique for this spending point? If not, there no point in getting it. In order to actually use it we need one or more Artemisinins, so we can get Artemisinin now and then get Forebear's Blade once we get our hands on some Hunger Sated difficulty mitigation.
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HoratioVonBecker
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Hi! I am, unusually, willing to go into vote-debt if it means I have a decent shot at getting Serendipity and Foremost Blade - or even those plus Elder Signs - instead of Pillars at this juncture. Current activity levels seem like about 8 Arete per week (before doubling), so even if we end the OOC month with 1 Arete, all we need is three updates within the next two ingame weeks. Given that we have Nightmare Flight, that's extremely likely.
Pillars is not useful until two more weeks have passed IC, we can and should afford to wait. Mitigation slots are unique, and resetting them hasn't even been hinted at yet. Please help vote for them.
Pillars is not useful until two more weeks have passed IC, we can and should afford to wait. Mitigation slots are unique, and resetting them hasn't even been hinted at yet. Please help vote for them.
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Issue is that we also need a pick within those two weeks, and picks are much harder to come by.
That aside, I really do want to finish Ze Build as fast as possible. It adds up fast:
That aside, I really do want to finish Ze Build as fast as possible. It adds up fast:
- We get Pillars here
- We also start working on Ruling Ring. If we somehow get three picks we can ideally finish it before Pillars for reasons that should be self evident
- Then we get RR upgraded Fisher King while farming Pillars, in order to benefit from additional month of Hunger Sated
- When we finish, we SAVE for SitS, which would let us from Rank 9.5 Combat/10.5 Blood to pretty insane Rank 11.5 Combat/Blood
- Then we just get OaF II
It doesn't matter how much we reduce the average difficulty of A Hunger Sated targets a 4 pick fight will always be a 4 pick.
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Hmm, a good point, my argument about getting it later is wrong. I'm still hesitant, however; it's obvious that farming 4p fights is wholly unsustainable - while I'm not quite the fan of "take no risks otherwise you die eventually" approach, there is a point where it does become true. As such, this basically does nothing(other than making 4p opponents we naturally meet, when that's usually the kind of stuff we want to avoid anyway) until we find a way to reduce it to 3p fights. Meanwhile, Artemisinin provides great deal of immediate value that works extremely well both with upgraded Pillars having more time and with the Fisher King.
Like, not having Artemisinin or Fisher King giving us double value of Hunger Sated would be very annoying with extended Pillars.
As an aside, I wonder if Fisher King might actually be the viable method of complete mitigation. In theory, we could counter both infertile land and people with technological means - producing nutrition via transmutation and kids via cloning/mechanical wombs. We'd have to ensure that our kingdom is big enough to constrain our Curse and some of basic tenants of what means being a human might have to be altered(i.e. you apply for a kid and then one gets made for you), but it should be possible to create society which functions perfectly with Grail Keeper without being morally repugnant and stuff.
Hmm, I might have underestimated potential of Grail Keeper. Especially with SitS around.
Obviously, but a) this gives very little until we get to that point and b) who knows how much time we need to spend until we upgrade it that much.
Like, going from 4p to 3p is orders of magnitude more manageable(even if it's still somewhat risky). It's pretty huge change. If this was something like just spending 25 arete next mitigation pick that would be fine, but we could be talking about million years of in-universe time to get there.
Meanwhile Artemisinin provides ton of value right now, scales perfectly well into future and works well with our current prospects. Getting to three months per Sated with our current configuration is very important, otherwise entire situation becomes hard as we need to go out of our way to hunt for Hunger Sated outside of Pillars too. Or, at least, with vastly higher frequency than we'd otherwise have to do.
Maybe the Azure moon is where the EFB Fates lived
We know Hunger's cloak is associated with the Azure moon because it unlocked this pick.
And we know the Realm of Evening, or at least part of the Realm of Evening, has a moon. Or is at least influenced by a moon.
And we know that the Temple, which had a dimensional fracture to ???, was able to produce glowing runes whose light unlocked soul evocations.
The exact relationship between the Azure moon and the Realm of Evening isn't clear. Is the moon part of the realm of evening? Or is it merely close by and able to influence parts of evening? Hunger's initial cloak didn't have a moon...
But at the very least the Azure moon will be in the sky.
As for what the Azure moon actually is, my guess is that it's the same location as the Halls of the Lazulite from EFB.
So far we've seen two links between EFB and Simple Transaction. The first are the rings, one of which was offered as a remittance and another we found at the Temple. And the second are the Liches, one of which was offered as a remittance and the second of which, Crowelenarch, was implied to be at the Temple writing intelligence reports. It's not clear what happened to Crowelenarch, if it died or fled or was on the other side of the dimensional fracture this whole time, but it's very strongly implied to be a lich. So there's lots of links between the worlds of EFB and Simple Transaction.
Lazulite is an Arabic word meaning 'heaven', making it a fitting name for the home of the gods. There are lots of mentions on google of Lazulite having the color of either azure-blue or sky-blue, meaning that calling a moon made of Lazulite the 'Azure moon' would make sense. We never learned much about where the Fates of EFB lived, other than that it was another dimension, and that it was called the "Halls of the Lazulite". So perhaps those halls were on the same Azure moon that exists in the Evening sky.
The Halls of the Lazulite is an odd name. The Lazulite Halls are a building made of Lazulite, but the Halls of the Lazulite sounds like a person, Lazulite, owned those halls. Or maybe that everyone within those halls are the Lazulite. Perhaps there was a person, maybe a companion of the Forebear, whose name was The Lazulite and who build the place? Or maybe it's just poetic language and I'm overthinking it.
Was the voyaging realm made from bits and pieces of the EFB world, and that's why bits and pieces like the rings and liches and moon survived? Did the Fates and other gods oversee multiple worlds from their lunar abode? Why did Prolessarch leave his world? No mention of Prolessarch time-traveling is mentioned, does the EFB world still exist as another realm we could potentially visit?
So many questions, so few answers. Point is, just seeing the Azure moon in the Evening sky isn't enough, I want to go there now.
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We know Hunger's cloak is associated with the Azure moon because it unlocked this pick.
And we know the Realm of Evening, or at least part of the Realm of Evening, has a moon. Or is at least influenced by a moon.
And we know that the Temple, which had a dimensional fracture to ???, was able to produce glowing runes whose light unlocked soul evocations.
The exact relationship between the Azure moon and the Realm of Evening isn't clear. Is the moon part of the realm of evening? Or is it merely close by and able to influence parts of evening? Hunger's initial cloak didn't have a moon...
But at the very least the Azure moon will be in the sky.
As for what the Azure moon actually is, my guess is that it's the same location as the Halls of the Lazulite from EFB.
So far we've seen two links between EFB and Simple Transaction. The first are the rings, one of which was offered as a remittance and another we found at the Temple. And the second are the Liches, one of which was offered as a remittance and the second of which, Crowelenarch, was implied to be at the Temple writing intelligence reports. It's not clear what happened to Crowelenarch, if it died or fled or was on the other side of the dimensional fracture this whole time, but it's very strongly implied to be a lich. So there's lots of links between the worlds of EFB and Simple Transaction.
Lazulite is an Arabic word meaning 'heaven', making it a fitting name for the home of the gods. There are lots of mentions on google of Lazulite having the color of either azure-blue or sky-blue, meaning that calling a moon made of Lazulite the 'Azure moon' would make sense. We never learned much about where the Fates of EFB lived, other than that it was another dimension, and that it was called the "Halls of the Lazulite". So perhaps those halls were on the same Azure moon that exists in the Evening sky.
The Halls of the Lazulite is an odd name. The Lazulite Halls are a building made of Lazulite, but the Halls of the Lazulite sounds like a person, Lazulite, owned those halls. Or maybe that everyone within those halls are the Lazulite. Perhaps there was a person, maybe a companion of the Forebear, whose name was The Lazulite and who build the place? Or maybe it's just poetic language and I'm overthinking it.
Was the voyaging realm made from bits and pieces of the EFB world, and that's why bits and pieces like the rings and liches and moon survived? Did the Fates and other gods oversee multiple worlds from their lunar abode? Why did Prolessarch leave his world? No mention of Prolessarch time-traveling is mentioned, does the EFB world still exist as another realm we could potentially visit?
So many questions, so few answers. Point is, just seeing the Azure moon in the Evening sky isn't enough, I want to go there now.
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'Tomb of the Netherine'. 'Halls of the Lazulite'. EFB had a bit of a theme with important magical structures sounding like they were made by people with names like "The Netherine" and "The Lazulite". The Ur-mother mentioned names being important, and the Fates obviously cared about names as well which is why they wanted Nameless to be nameless, so at this point when I hear a person with a funny name I just assume they're really powerful. Maybe the Netherine and the Lazulite were the Forebear's companions? Or just other names for the Forebear?
HoratioVonBecker
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Social picks aren't going to be that hard, at least if we make proper use of Sky Veil.
Nah. Honestly, it's unlikely that we'll need to outwait this Geas task - two more Mitigation stages is almost certainly enough to knock it down to three-pick, or at least redefine "significant chance of true death or similar loss" to something much more palatable. (Maybe "chance of getting hit with a year worth of decimation"?)
But seriously, Hunger is progressing ridiculously fast. I suspect he'll do in the Hidden Masters before a million years, if he keeps going at this rate and doesn't die in the process. The latter is somewhat in question, though
Or they could've been folks like The Maiden and The Arcanist. Or the next tier up from those. It's possible.
Rihaku
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Against foes for whom Rank is the primary relevant determinator, certainly!