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[ ] Pathway to Idyll [7 Arete]

The lambent draping of the Evening Sky unfolds and billows in a dream-stoked wind; unbound by the lunar whim, become again the wavering noren to a place of wonder and grandeur unspeakable, the indigo terraces and night-traced valleys of Evening's Realm. Starshine like dewdrops gleams through clouds of pellucid haze: here, there is no strife, only rest, only joyous recumbence beyond the furthermost dreamings of men.

*The Realm of Evening may now be accessed once per night, though it cannot be used for training or its augmentative reagents imbibed. Regents whose purpose is purely curative may still be used. The user may depart at will or be automatically ejected an instant before noon the next day.
*Accessed in this way, time passes normally within the Realm as compared to outside.
*May be used to evade an otherwise undodgeable attack. This is not a perfect defense in that the wearer must still be able to react to the attack in question.
*Substantially improves the wearer's ability to shape the Realm of Evening for recreational purposes, improving effective Charisma (while hosting guests within) and Mental Stability (over time).
*The user may still access the Realm via the method outlined in Pillars of Creation, and remains eligible to cultivate the lasting benefits thereof - training against foes of escalating intensity, and access to medicinal plants of deific stature and potency.
*A nigh-unassailable (at this scale) and tremendously opulent redoubt within with to spend one's nights.

Upgrade:

[ ] Perchance to Dream


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[ ] Sword in the Stone [25 Arete]

Downthrust the wielder plunges his blade into a stone, tomb or anvil of appropriate size. Buried halfway it stands immovable; an unyielding edifice of rule, pillar and testament to the inexorability of his reign, and its iron righteousness. So sheathed, it becomes a tool not of war but of governance - and if its talents should be poorly tuned for that purpose, it upends such deficiencies through sheer weight of power. Its presence is an echo of his will and his signature, fairness resolute and unmerciful judgement, redounding to the very boundaries of his territory and beyond.

No force may tear loose sword from stone; neither curse nor conquest, nor passing of eons, nor death of the wielder and extinction of his line may sunder blade from sheath until the hour of reckoning is come. Invincible and unbridled it stands, the sharp perilous tower whose graven-stone memory is the saga of ages.

Only a ruler of whom he would approve may pull loose the blade, calling again the Forebear's Implement to war. Rue the day such a calamity is unleashed upon an unsuspecting multiverse, for the remit of the Forebear is resolve without limit, and power without bound.

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*Hour of Reckoning: To defy him is hubris; to assault him is folly. If the wielder is forced to take up his Blade by the unforgivable action(s) of an external aggressor, double the effects of Once and Future against that opponent.
 
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[p2w] Pathway to Idyll [7 Arete]

[p2w] Perchance to Dream

[p2w] Sword in the Stone [25 Arete]
 
Sword in the Stone hits all the right buttons. It hadn't escaped me that we've been training for galactic domination by swording things really good. It isn't as if Hunger's noncombat abilities aren't skyrocketing as well, but there's still a bit of friction there.

And then there's the Forebear lore. And Hunger lore! Such mondo bait... ah, fuck. I theoretically have money.
 
New blurbs are nice. Pathway reminds me of certain D&D spells like Magnificent Mansion and what not - a secure place to rest is useful, as is the heals. Semi-perfect evade and the mental stability stuff is useful. Overall quite nice, but I wouldn't pick it over something like Outer Sky or Philosopher's Wreath that opens up new options of things to get.

Swrod in the Stone is... Interesting. My scrub-tier non-Patreon self can't see everything it does, but I'm guessing it provides a bunch of effects related to rule in exchange for sealing combat power somewhat? That final effect is a little ridiculous though - +4 Rank would be absolutely silly if it was easier to trigger - as is, it seems fine.

The interesting bit is we got more Forebear Lore - and, uh.

Rue the day such a calamity is unleashed upon an unsuspecting multiverse, for the remit of the Forebear is resolve without limit, and power without bound.

I think this may be evidence pointing towards that "Forebear was a Cursebearer" theory. This certainly sounds like a Cursebearer thing.
 
Current vote count?

That final effect is a little ridiculous though - +4 Rank would be absolutely silly if it was easier to trigger - as is, it seems fine.

I'd say it's outrageously fine! Such unbelievable power...

Sword in the Stone hits all the right buttons. It hadn't escaped me that we've been training for galactic domination by swording things really good. It isn't as if Hunger's noncombat abilities aren't skyrocketing as well, but there's still a bit of friction there.

Indeed... imagine how powerful it'll be with Tenfold Echo...
 
*The Realm of Evening may now be accessed once per night, though it cannot be used for training or its augmentative reagents imbibed. Regents whose purpose is purely curative may still be used. The user may depart at will or be automatically ejected an instant before noon the next day.
Worth considering this for the side effects of simply being in the Realm of Evening and being able to take people with you.
Namely, being able to negotiate with Tyrant mitigated by 66% once a night is some really good value for 7 Arete, even taking into account the set up you have to do.
 
Worth considering this for the side effects of simply being in the Realm of Evening and being able to take people with you.
Namely, being able to negotiate with Tyrant mitigated by 66% once a night is some really good value for 7 Arete, even taking into account the set up you have to do.

...I did not consider that. Looking at it, the blurb does not say anything about losing the Curse mitigation... The question is if the Realm of Evening can beat Uttermost. If so, Pathway just skyrocked to must-have.
 
Hm... Design vs Administrators is becoming a much more competitive contest! Meanwhile, The Elementalists have pulled away, seemingly on a platform of self-reliance for the Sovereignty. But if all the Elementalists are there defending, you won't be able to take them with you into the Human Sphere!
 
Hm... Design vs Administrators is becoming a much more competitive contest! Meanwhile, The Elementalists have pulled away, seemingly on a platform of self-reliance for the Sovereignty. But if all the Elementalists are there defending, you won't be able to take them with you into the Human Sphere!
I don't doubt that, with effort, we could forge the Elemental Army into a force to be reckoned with. But, at the same time, I don't think that is the only thing of value they could be doing, nor do I think it is something that we must use them for.
 
Hm... is there any consensus in the thread as to the nature of the constitutional reforms? Hunger & Gisena will do their best regardless, but if you have policy preferences that are well-supported they may be included depending on practicality! Similarly, if you're looking for administrators, you do have the opportunity to elevate select allies like Aeira's family at your option. Could certainly be useful!
 
As an open question to the thread, if you could take 1 magic system from any given Rihaku quest, what would you pick and why? Assume your level of talent is average and you use your own attributes.
Depends on if-
Does a Solar Exaltation count as a magic system? What about Progression?
Yeah, that. If those are off the table I'm not sure, but D&D 3rd Edition magic is probably next in line? Depending on a lot of factors (how it interacts with computers, what HP actually translates to, how much control I have over my build, whether I can earn enough XP to hit high levels, and whether summoning spells work, among others) it probably provides the broadest power base. Battle Magic is probably fairly similar, if less wildly unbalanced.
Other than those. Something from They Called Me Mad would probably be really good. Haven't read much of that quest, but there's probably a cosmic-tier mage whose system is responsible for most of their power. Maybe this 'Skyveil' character, who was apparently gifted with artifice?
Accretion depends on how much knowledge I have of the system. If it's "average for an interested Foremost or native of Hunger's isekai world", then possibly. If it's average for Hunger's current universe, no!
PMMM has cool powers, but I'd have to have a way of not turning into a Lich. The right sort of metamagic wish should be able to handle both that and uncapped progression, hopefully, but it'd depend on the exact nature of Rihakuverse-PMMM magic. Possibly "I wish I was a perfect Progression-type Cursebearer candidate without mental changes I would disapprove of". That'd only run the risk of no Accursed/High Cursebearers/Accursed Rivals not being able and willing to recruit me. "Unless it would cause mental changes I would disapprove of, I wish to be offered the chance to become a Progression-type Cursebearer as the most perfect candidate I can be."
I could also try Soul Evocation. Seven Seals might technically be a thing I could directly pick, which wouldn't be awful. Evangaline's might also be decent. They also let me train Rank directly, which is pretty nice.
Oh, or I could go Fairbright. Given a choice between "good chance of never getting past one or two Graces" and "have the Fairbright Bloodline", the latter would be very nice. True Quintessence doubtless outshines them both, though. Keep forgetting about it, but it's really very good, probably better than 3E Arcane Magic. Possibly harder to become immortal with, but probably not!
Finally, there is of course Surgecraft, which I've already written roughly a thousand words for. Hard to say what Element I get; if I use all my own attributes, my blood probably doesn't have the factors to generate one! None of the canon elements really grab me, and honestly most of the fan-elements wouldn't be fun in my home world either.
So, in short, True Quintessence. (Unless Progression or a Solar Exaltation are available, and the latter only if Elder Essence and Charmcrafting are both attainable.)
--Actually this one is OoC, but we could snap-buy WoDS for that ++Int and Luck. Or go all the way and just grab ADS for the massive stat boost. I expect to be crucified for the mere suggestion.
I'd be all for it if we have the Arete! Do it fast enough, and we might utterly wreck Ber's training regime!
I think that this is probably a little bit too far into the weeds for Hunger to really enshrine in a constitutional document. Using the authority of government (which is implicitly backed by a monopoly on legitimate force) to meddle in the private lives of citizens must be minimized on account of the extreme probability of harm if someone gets even a single detail wrong.

Plus, conceptions of family structure vary pretty dramatically as a society's economic structure changes. The Sovereignty's approach to romantic relationships is really the last place that an outside conquerer should be interfering with. Hunger doesn't know the history or context of romantic traditions in the Sovereignty, and even if he did, the government doesn't really have any business in this sphere at all.
I'm not super clear which points you're reacting to. Probably family law, rather than arguing against restrictions on sex trade? Family law is, as I said, not something I've put enough thought into to be really convinced of my design for. I do know that stable families are a lot better for everyone than unstable families, and that adultury and divorce are both quite bad for family stability! Keeping financial pressures low will help, of course, as will good emotional education-
*notes down 'education needs to cover a broad range of emotional function, particularly what healthy function looks like and robust procedures for how to reach it'*
-but the possibility of legal intervention should be considered. Possibly the best solution, at least for the moment, is just saying "adultry and divorce - and behaviour that makes one prone or vulnerable to such - are discouraged, on account of the trauma they are generally known to cause" and leaving it at that. Just try to code a social more, no other type of enforcement.
Does that seem safe to you?
I have an additional concern about enforcing a "right" to a relationship with anyone: if the biological parent wants a closed adoption, the government would be put in the position of mandating that this grown adult meet with someone. Would biological parents be put in jail if they don't want to meet? That's... bad.
Jail almost certainly isn't the right means of enforcement - for practically anything, really; the objective should be to reform or remove, and jail is quite bad at both while doubling as a covert mechanism for forcibly extracting labor - but I'm totally fine with saying "if you bring a child into the world, you've given the implicit promise that you will raise and support it as best you reasonably can".
Closed adoption does fill a useful social role - although it's frankly very difficult to keep closed if you have wide-scale DNA sequencing, let alone sympathetic magic - but unless the child is already grown and has met them while an adult, I don't see the argument for letting a parent refuse to see them.
(So long as there isn't a serious danger caused by their meeting, of course. This is still a fantasy verse, with potential threats ranging from fated fratricide to plain old werewolfism.)
...Also, about the interest discussion rate: any loan with a given compound interest rate can be replicated via a loan with a (higher) simple interest rate.
The morally-defensible functions, yes!
 
Hm... is there any consensus in the thread as to the nature of the constitutional reforms? Hunger & Gisena will do their best regardless, but if you have policy preferences that are well-supported they may be included depending on practicality! Similarly, if you're looking for administrators, you do have the opportunity to elevate select allies like Aeira's family at your option. Could certainly be useful!
Can we not just abstract the details and leave it up to Gisena and Hunger since the thread doesn't benefit from super human intelligence? I mean it's hard to know what to reform when we don't actually know the current laws in place and I hardly expect you to come up with an entire fictional constitution.
 
Hm... is there any consensus in the thread as to the nature of the constitutional reforms? Hunger & Gisena will do their best regardless, but if you have policy preferences that are well-supported they may be included depending on practicality! Similarly, if you're looking for administrators, you do have the opportunity to elevate select allies like Aeira's family at your option. Could certainly be useful!
I don't think we know enough about specific people to have preferences for administrators, whoever the selection process results in is good enough for me.

Policies... I'll try to summarize what I think is happening. Everyone in thread seems as on board with ending conscription as the citizens, that's the easy one.

Bulldoze any institutional support for the idea of nobility.

Byzantine's bit about voting districts:
Something like the German model may be ideal here - there are both physical districts that represent the party that got a majority in that district and extra seats reserved so that the total proportions of the vote works out. (Ie if one party got 49% of the vote they should end up with ~49% of the total seats, even if they didn't win any districts.)

Everyone wants to throw all the rights at people, but we're struggling to enumerate them.

Seems to be general agreement that real-world gun control isn't necessarily a good thing in fantasy demonland.

@HoratioVonBecker has a bit to say about predatory lending and stuff like that that I don't know anything about.

The degree to which production is automated raises concerns about the value of labor, making some sort of UBI attractive.

I don't think there's been significant discussion about balancing the arms of government, might need to do that soon.

My personal crusade is "nationalize the elixir springs," not sure how popular that one is.
 
Hm... Design vs Administrators is becoming a much more competitive contest! Meanwhile, The Elementalists have pulled away, seemingly on a platform of self-reliance for the Sovereignty. But if all the Elementalists are there defending, you won't be able to take them with you into the Human Sphere!
I've been assuming the arguments that Elementalists would be good for Sovereignty defense were overlooking the fact that they're designed to be loyal to Hunger, instead of to defend the nation! None isn't going to slack on making the nation prosperous and well-defended!
 
Can we not just abstract the details and leave it up to Gisena and Hunger since the thread doesn't benefit from super human intelligence? I mean it's hard to know what to reform when we don't actually know the current laws in place and I hardly expect you to come up with an entire fictional constitution.

Abstraction is the plan unless there are specific policy objectives you guys are strongly interested in and willing to defend, yes.
 
Hm... is there any consensus in the thread as to the nature of the constitutional reforms? Hunger & Gisena will do their best regardless, but if you have policy preferences that are well-supported they may be included depending on practicality! Similarly, if you're looking for administrators, you do have the opportunity to elevate select allies like Aeira's family at your option. Could certainly be useful!
What's my deadline? I've been planning to collect all my conclusions in one place, but it's not likely to be ready for another ten hours at least.
 
Can we not just abstract the details and leave it up to Gisena and Hunger since the thread doesn't benefit from super human intelligence? I mean it's hard to know what to reform when we don't actually know the current laws in place and I hardly expect you to come up with an entire fictional constitution.
I think it's less about performance and more about people getting to have narrative impact.
 
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