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For both the leading plans to contain the Praxis, truly I am blessed.
Also, here have a ##Fanwork## (2284 words)
That the hero's failures don't end with his immediate death is also interesting. If this boy was so coddled, so disappointing, so utterly useless, why would his companions continue to sacrifice themselves for him? How terrible was this Tyrant? I imagine it was more like a guerilla war against a totalitarian regime than a traditional isekai Hero vs. Demon King journey. That would certainly explain people suffering for his "impudence".
Hmm. How many magic systems does this Hero have access to? For him to have only found his true calling in forbidden arts means he likely has at least a novice's grounding in other areas. Could we potentially pull another Thrice-Great? A Progression type has no lack of talent, after all. That would actually make Three Wishes quite powerful in the hands of a Progression type as he could simply wish for his full strength to be restored and then grind his native arts in combination with the magics of a new world to become ludicrously strong.
Not being maimed would be nice too.
The Tyrant is talented, skilled, cunning and cautious. I'm becoming more and more curious about him. While we don't know much, he doesn't seem like a hedonistic moron doing this for pure self-aggradisement. Also, its interesting to learn that the Hero attempted to assassinate the Overlord multiple times. Makes it easier to understand why his life has been a conga line of misery. Still unsure why he's not just dead, even account for the sacrifice of his compatriots. I suspect intervention from the puppetmasters that exist beyond mere destiny.
If so, they'd be some real sick fucks who don't deserve to live. Makes me lean a bit more towards Vengeance.
Holy shit. Were the people's of the world so desperate to celebrate that they just hoisted the Hero on their shoulders the second he won, ditching his wife's corpse in their joy? And of course he could hardly object while in burned out catatonia from his finest moment.
Too bad destiny was turned off or he might have actually managed it. Without that, there's no way a single man can overturn the social order through influence alone. RIP uplift fantasies. I wonder how he actually went about it; for all his dedication I doubt he'd studied fantasy medieval economics and sociology. Too bad he wasn't a worse person content with marrying some princess in exchange for a cushy life. Fortunately for him, conviction is the god stat in the Rihakuverse
Ah yes, the only problem with the world was how terrible the king was, not that there was a king in the first place. Though given that popularity actually matters, I doubt the power discrepancy between mundanes and the magical is entirely insurmountable outside of peak level fighters like the Hero or Tyrant. I think it'll be a nice contrast to see a protagonist who actually approves of aspects of modernity, even if he was down for a fantasy adventure in elfgame land.
I suppose it must have struck them as self serving; the most popular person in the world seeking to institute democracy, taking advantage of populist sentiment in a naked power grab. That makes their actions more understandable if not more sympathetic. Its not as though they were his companions after all, just allies of convenience. Possibly royalty that surrendered to the Tyrant in self-preservation while funneling funds and support to the desperate insurgents that did all the grassroots stuff.
I'm now inclined to believe the Tyrant was just a standard imperialistic conqueror, in intent if not his specific methods. Something worthy of fighting to be sure but not a JRPG villain attempting to ascend to godhood or anything.
I love how practiced the Accursed has become with his pitch.
Its honestly strange how often people associate the Accurssed with the devil, especially given the effect of the Plenary Brand. Like, if the Devil was the heartbeat of all creation I'd just jump out the window right now. Also surprised that a particularly chuuni Cursebearer hasn't taken up the mantle of the Devil, as a goof if nothing else. Also also, the Devil is objectively real and known to the Accursed????????
I'm desperately curious now.
Interesting to see how someone less aware than Seram rationalises his hatred of the Accursed, though him being mournful about us accepting the offer is quite worrisome. I wonder if that's an artifact of seeing him from someone infinitely more socially inclined than Seram or if a tired, wounded warrior was just the approach that would work better with our hero.
Zang Kong would cream his pants.
God, I really want to read into the emoting that's happened here but Odyssial is almost certainly in perfect control over everything in our boy's perception so who even knows whether whatever hints we see mean anything? Otherwise, this is probably the wiser choice in combination with some other options because it actually lets us achieve a measure of happiness instead of trying to burn the ashen husk of our soul in the pursuit of vengeance. Not as good as Progression in the long run from a pure powerlevel standpoint but if there's anything we can learn from Odyssial its that powerlevels don't make you happy*.
On a meta level, this option doesn't have a clearly defined endpoint with the Geass, which probably means we won't get anything nearly as satisfying as the Diagram epilogue from EFB, unless Rihaku writes a timeskip followed by our supremely comfy happily ever after.
*unless they do.
Tempting. But we've trod this path on multiple levels and the downsides are shockingly harsh. I'm completely torn.
The classic. I imagine its a lot easier to deal with when you have access to sufficiently far ranging interuniversal travel. Ideally, make friends with a higher being willing and able to powerlevel you between missions in exchange for favours when your power vastly exceeds theirs. Probably not sustainable without access to Cursebearer infrastructure or society, assuming either is a thing that exists. A benevolent Progression type mentor would be ideal, if spectacularly unlikely.
I wonder if the Accursed has ever set up a Big Brothers Big Sisters program for his servants?
Pretty straightforward. The power to area ratio is fucking crazy though; a starting combat type is continent level and his range is an entire solar system. Absolutely mental. You'd likely have to remain on the move if you can't find a path to mitigation compatible with you and developing stealth capabilities becomes must. The "sufficient life force" clause is pretty spooky too since it probably requires traveling to higher and higher energy areas to avoid getting Hollowed. Probably not even convenient enough to give us XP for killing people either or it would be way too cool (if you're okay with being Sephiroth).
Would be hilarious to take to a xianxia universe though, so long as you can remain unnoticed by heaven and higher beings. The most baneful path of all.
24 hour sleep cycle baybee.
More seriously, not that bad if you plan on living a quiet life.
Awful, just genuinely terrible. To see people turn into JRPG NPCs at the slightest request from you would be so deeply unnerving and horrible. For this to be the kind of Curse that the Accursed offers us, I genuinely worry about our protagonist's state of mind. The ability to rely on basic manners or social credit in human interaction is invaluable; even the Brand of the Wretched would be better than this because at least then you can fall back on threats. Worse than all but the Apocryphal Curse across both versions of this quest.
That said, this probably isn't too onerous for the Accursed because he's powerful enough to just arrange things so that people choose his desired course of action without any request on his part and is powerful enough to not need to do so besides.
But for anyone else, this seems like some steaming hot garbage. What kind of person would take this?
Everybody hates Gil because they ain't Gil.
We know most godlike beings wouldn't directly quash a Cursebearer for fear of their patron which is a real relief. I wonder if you could bind yourself to principles you believe in and nominally back with your own authority, TIM style. Though it would require genuine conviction, that might at least make it easier to bind yourself to certain codes on conduct. A lot better with a Combat type than a Progression type. Curious as to what forms mitigation might take, aside from mind controlling yourself.
more like the geas of simps amirite?
Would be god awful for anyone who relies of synergies like Thrice-Great since it actively chokes possibilities outside of a mindless rage state and invalidates all support and preperation magic. Probably not as bad for people reliant on singular abilities since at least that reduction is capped at being three fourths. The fact that we become accustommed to increasing levels of duress make this feel like poison when combined with the Apocryphal Curse since we can't afford to be hamstrung.
Not knowing the criteria for compatibility is worrisome but given the nature of the Geas and of the voterbase it's probably just waifu level. Could possibily motivate a burned out husk to train more which would make this actually useful in some ways, even if it introduces a glaring weakpoint. I'd laugh if we get resurrection and decide that our object of devotion is safer dead until we eliminate all threats in the locality.
The first Curse we've seen that actually gets stronger over time. Would act as a reasonable motivator if we choose Freedom, preempting the indolence of absolute comfiness. Would actually be super cool if it resulted in people being able to decipher and derive power from the traces of our passage across the cosmos a la Addio's omake. I wonder if a sufficiently fast Progression type could outscale it by mitigating it faster than it grows. I imagine it gets exponentially more difficult the dimmer you try make it though because Curses are the worst.
Probably better to just invest in stealth.
The thing that strikes me most about this one is that it breaks the schema we've seen for the other Curses. Both because its worth two Curses and because it's not a Brand, Doom, Geas or Affliction. Probably the worst Curse of them all because it means you have to either be capable of consistently pulling off nigh-Odyssian efforts once in a while or just get lucky dicerolls for all of eternity. In combination with Geas of Indenture, it destines you for a life of constant slaughter and toil. Would do wonders for your powerlevel though. Here's hoping Progression can scale past even this.
As a sidenote, we're lucky the Accursed keeps an eye on his servants because all of these would be a lot easier to deal with if the Cursebearer is willing to commit a whole lot of indiscriminate mass murder.
Sweet, sweet Diagram reference. If I thought we could get the Logos through this I'd be strongly tempted.
As with Pay to Win, the strongest option available. Interesting to see the hierarchy that exists, even within categories of Cursebearers. Might that be the Doom of the Martyr forcing the Accursed to be biased towards the pure of heart unless he's willing to put the effort into preventing that? That implies the Remittance would change if Seram lost that purity which seems unlikely but what else would explain it?
The worst part of not picking this is how dysfunctional the resultant protagonist would be.
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Kinda low key weirded out that we can choose people as Lesser Remittances but its nice that we get special Artifacts. How many LRs would something like Ambition be worth? Or would that be a Primary Remittance in and of itself?
Hmm. Are sentient Lesser Remittances automatically brought with us in our Indenture or is that left as an exercise to the Cursebearer? Because that could really make or break this. Would be fun powerleveling her, then using her to negate laws of physics that the Tyrant disagrees with. That this Gisena would rather commit suicide than serve Jotaro makes her significantly more palatable to me.
Actually quite powerful if we decide to go with Freedom since it gives us the will to live and actually engage with the world, growing more powerful along the way as a natural consequence of the fights we'd get into. Would be really nice on multiple levels for a Progression type who tries to keep the Apocryphal Curse at bay by just never granting himself a reprieve.
The strongest option, only a moron would choose anything else.
More seriously, I think this could actually be quite potent in combination with Three Wishes. We already know that the Accursed's feelings towards us can change the rate at which abilities that interact with him deplete considering the anti-synergy between Pay to Win and Brand. All the various wisdom options in combination with this might provide a much greater benefit in the long run than any other Lesser Remittance.
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All in all, I'm so damn happy this is back. I'll finish updating the WOG Index to the latest post in an hour or so.
Also, here have a ##Fanwork## (2284 words)
The key differences between the dynamics of this world and Even Further Beyond seem to be the weakness of the Fates. The overlord has already conquered the world and has used his power to ascend beyond destiny but he's clearly not as powerful as the Nameless was when he managed to do so considering that opposition actually exists and is capable of opposing the Tyrant.
That the hero's failures don't end with his immediate death is also interesting. If this boy was so coddled, so disappointing, so utterly useless, why would his companions continue to sacrifice themselves for him? How terrible was this Tyrant? I imagine it was more like a guerilla war against a totalitarian regime than a traditional isekai Hero vs. Demon King journey. That would certainly explain people suffering for his "impudence".
Hmm. How many magic systems does this Hero have access to? For him to have only found his true calling in forbidden arts means he likely has at least a novice's grounding in other areas. Could we potentially pull another Thrice-Great? A Progression type has no lack of talent, after all. That would actually make Three Wishes quite powerful in the hands of a Progression type as he could simply wish for his full strength to be restored and then grind his native arts in combination with the magics of a new world to become ludicrously strong.
Not being maimed would be nice too.
The Tyrant is talented, skilled, cunning and cautious. I'm becoming more and more curious about him. While we don't know much, he doesn't seem like a hedonistic moron doing this for pure self-aggradisement. Also, its interesting to learn that the Hero attempted to assassinate the Overlord multiple times. Makes it easier to understand why his life has been a conga line of misery. Still unsure why he's not just dead, even account for the sacrifice of his compatriots. I suspect intervention from the puppetmasters that exist beyond mere destiny.
If so, they'd be some real sick fucks who don't deserve to live. Makes me lean a bit more towards Vengeance.
Holy shit. Were the people's of the world so desperate to celebrate that they just hoisted the Hero on their shoulders the second he won, ditching his wife's corpse in their joy? And of course he could hardly object while in burned out catatonia from his finest moment.
Too bad destiny was turned off or he might have actually managed it. Without that, there's no way a single man can overturn the social order through influence alone. RIP uplift fantasies. I wonder how he actually went about it; for all his dedication I doubt he'd studied fantasy medieval economics and sociology. Too bad he wasn't a worse person content with marrying some princess in exchange for a cushy life. Fortunately for him, conviction is the god stat in the Rihakuverse
Ah yes, the only problem with the world was how terrible the king was, not that there was a king in the first place. Though given that popularity actually matters, I doubt the power discrepancy between mundanes and the magical is entirely insurmountable outside of peak level fighters like the Hero or Tyrant. I think it'll be a nice contrast to see a protagonist who actually approves of aspects of modernity, even if he was down for a fantasy adventure in elfgame land.
I suppose it must have struck them as self serving; the most popular person in the world seeking to institute democracy, taking advantage of populist sentiment in a naked power grab. That makes their actions more understandable if not more sympathetic. Its not as though they were his companions after all, just allies of convenience. Possibly royalty that surrendered to the Tyrant in self-preservation while funneling funds and support to the desperate insurgents that did all the grassroots stuff.
I'm now inclined to believe the Tyrant was just a standard imperialistic conqueror, in intent if not his specific methods. Something worthy of fighting to be sure but not a JRPG villain attempting to ascend to godhood or anything.
I love how practiced the Accursed has become with his pitch.
Its honestly strange how often people associate the Accurssed with the devil, especially given the effect of the Plenary Brand. Like, if the Devil was the heartbeat of all creation I'd just jump out the window right now. Also surprised that a particularly chuuni Cursebearer hasn't taken up the mantle of the Devil, as a goof if nothing else. Also also, the Devil is objectively real and known to the Accursed????????
I'm desperately curious now.
Interesting to see how someone less aware than Seram rationalises his hatred of the Accursed, though him being mournful about us accepting the offer is quite worrisome. I wonder if that's an artifact of seeing him from someone infinitely more socially inclined than Seram or if a tired, wounded warrior was just the approach that would work better with our hero.
Zang Kong would cream his pants.
God, I really want to read into the emoting that's happened here but Odyssial is almost certainly in perfect control over everything in our boy's perception so who even knows whether whatever hints we see mean anything? Otherwise, this is probably the wiser choice in combination with some other options because it actually lets us achieve a measure of happiness instead of trying to burn the ashen husk of our soul in the pursuit of vengeance. Not as good as Progression in the long run from a pure powerlevel standpoint but if there's anything we can learn from Odyssial its that powerlevels don't make you happy*.
On a meta level, this option doesn't have a clearly defined endpoint with the Geass, which probably means we won't get anything nearly as satisfying as the Diagram epilogue from EFB, unless Rihaku writes a timeskip followed by our supremely comfy happily ever after.
*unless they do.
Tempting. But we've trod this path on multiple levels and the downsides are shockingly harsh. I'm completely torn.
The classic. I imagine its a lot easier to deal with when you have access to sufficiently far ranging interuniversal travel. Ideally, make friends with a higher being willing and able to powerlevel you between missions in exchange for favours when your power vastly exceeds theirs. Probably not sustainable without access to Cursebearer infrastructure or society, assuming either is a thing that exists. A benevolent Progression type mentor would be ideal, if spectacularly unlikely.
I wonder if the Accursed has ever set up a Big Brothers Big Sisters program for his servants?
Pretty straightforward. The power to area ratio is fucking crazy though; a starting combat type is continent level and his range is an entire solar system. Absolutely mental. You'd likely have to remain on the move if you can't find a path to mitigation compatible with you and developing stealth capabilities becomes must. The "sufficient life force" clause is pretty spooky too since it probably requires traveling to higher and higher energy areas to avoid getting Hollowed. Probably not even convenient enough to give us XP for killing people either or it would be way too cool (if you're okay with being Sephiroth).
Would be hilarious to take to a xianxia universe though, so long as you can remain unnoticed by heaven and higher beings. The most baneful path of all.
24 hour sleep cycle baybee.
More seriously, not that bad if you plan on living a quiet life.
Awful, just genuinely terrible. To see people turn into JRPG NPCs at the slightest request from you would be so deeply unnerving and horrible. For this to be the kind of Curse that the Accursed offers us, I genuinely worry about our protagonist's state of mind. The ability to rely on basic manners or social credit in human interaction is invaluable; even the Brand of the Wretched would be better than this because at least then you can fall back on threats. Worse than all but the Apocryphal Curse across both versions of this quest.
That said, this probably isn't too onerous for the Accursed because he's powerful enough to just arrange things so that people choose his desired course of action without any request on his part and is powerful enough to not need to do so besides.
But for anyone else, this seems like some steaming hot garbage. What kind of person would take this?
Everybody hates Gil because they ain't Gil.
We know most godlike beings wouldn't directly quash a Cursebearer for fear of their patron which is a real relief. I wonder if you could bind yourself to principles you believe in and nominally back with your own authority, TIM style. Though it would require genuine conviction, that might at least make it easier to bind yourself to certain codes on conduct. A lot better with a Combat type than a Progression type. Curious as to what forms mitigation might take, aside from mind controlling yourself.
more like the geas of simps amirite?
Would be god awful for anyone who relies of synergies like Thrice-Great since it actively chokes possibilities outside of a mindless rage state and invalidates all support and preperation magic. Probably not as bad for people reliant on singular abilities since at least that reduction is capped at being three fourths. The fact that we become accustommed to increasing levels of duress make this feel like poison when combined with the Apocryphal Curse since we can't afford to be hamstrung.
Not knowing the criteria for compatibility is worrisome but given the nature of the Geas and of the voterbase it's probably just waifu level. Could possibily motivate a burned out husk to train more which would make this actually useful in some ways, even if it introduces a glaring weakpoint. I'd laugh if we get resurrection and decide that our object of devotion is safer dead until we eliminate all threats in the locality.
The first Curse we've seen that actually gets stronger over time. Would act as a reasonable motivator if we choose Freedom, preempting the indolence of absolute comfiness. Would actually be super cool if it resulted in people being able to decipher and derive power from the traces of our passage across the cosmos a la Addio's omake. I wonder if a sufficiently fast Progression type could outscale it by mitigating it faster than it grows. I imagine it gets exponentially more difficult the dimmer you try make it though because Curses are the worst.
Probably better to just invest in stealth.
The thing that strikes me most about this one is that it breaks the schema we've seen for the other Curses. Both because its worth two Curses and because it's not a Brand, Doom, Geas or Affliction. Probably the worst Curse of them all because it means you have to either be capable of consistently pulling off nigh-Odyssian efforts once in a while or just get lucky dicerolls for all of eternity. In combination with Geas of Indenture, it destines you for a life of constant slaughter and toil. Would do wonders for your powerlevel though. Here's hoping Progression can scale past even this.
As a sidenote, we're lucky the Accursed keeps an eye on his servants because all of these would be a lot easier to deal with if the Cursebearer is willing to commit a whole lot of indiscriminate mass murder.
Sweet, sweet Diagram reference. If I thought we could get the Logos through this I'd be strongly tempted.
As with Pay to Win, the strongest option available. Interesting to see the hierarchy that exists, even within categories of Cursebearers. Might that be the Doom of the Martyr forcing the Accursed to be biased towards the pure of heart unless he's willing to put the effort into preventing that? That implies the Remittance would change if Seram lost that purity which seems unlikely but what else would explain it?
The worst part of not picking this is how dysfunctional the resultant protagonist would be.
Interesting we aren't downgraded to the Royal like with the difference between Pay to Win and Three Wishes. Lends a bit of credence to my Martyr theory. Also:
PRAXISPRAXISPRAXISPRAXISPRAXISPRAXISPRAXISPRAXISPRAXISPRAXISPRAXIS-
Kinda low key weirded out that we can choose people as Lesser Remittances but its nice that we get special Artifacts. How many LRs would something like Ambition be worth? Or would that be a Primary Remittance in and of itself?
Hmm. Are sentient Lesser Remittances automatically brought with us in our Indenture or is that left as an exercise to the Cursebearer? Because that could really make or break this. Would be fun powerleveling her, then using her to negate laws of physics that the Tyrant disagrees with. That this Gisena would rather commit suicide than serve Jotaro makes her significantly more palatable to me.
Actually quite powerful if we decide to go with Freedom since it gives us the will to live and actually engage with the world, growing more powerful along the way as a natural consequence of the fights we'd get into. Would be really nice on multiple levels for a Progression type who tries to keep the Apocryphal Curse at bay by just never granting himself a reprieve.
The strongest option, only a moron would choose anything else.
More seriously, I think this could actually be quite potent in combination with Three Wishes. We already know that the Accursed's feelings towards us can change the rate at which abilities that interact with him deplete considering the anti-synergy between Pay to Win and Brand. All the various wisdom options in combination with this might provide a much greater benefit in the long run than any other Lesser Remittance.
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All in all, I'm so damn happy this is back. I'll finish updating the WOG Index to the latest post in an hour or so.
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