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How proto? Early 1500s rocketry is a lot closer to fire arrows than Congreve.
A Play of Steel and Powder (ASOIAF NG)
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Wade Garrett
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Appointing an Archsepton or septa of Pentos was on my to do list once Kermit Tully's expedition found the Hill.
Heh.
He found North Grove, he found Hugor's Hill...at this rate if someone said Kermit ended up traveling backwards in time, was mistaken for the Storm God, and shagged Veron's mum I wouldn't immediately call bullshit.
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Also, and this really is just a general thing, technology doesn't develop linearly. That is to say that technology does not necessarily develop the exact same way as it did IOTL. It can skip steps, it can go down an entirely different tangent altogether, or it could even stagnate and reverse, this is because the drives and impetuses that caused technology to develop as it did or not the same across the board. Particularly with regards to technology that was not as fleshed out or traversed down as it was IOTL, rockets being a good example because cannons overtook them swiftly and they changed very little until the advent of iron-casing, things can get...weird.
Really weird.
Like, you're sailing about the Indian Ocean stepping on the locals when suddenly an Indian fleet pops out of nowhere and pummels your ships of the line into the ground with a rocket barrage straight out of WWII because fuck cannons, that's not nearly as stylish as rockets. That sort of weird.
Really weird.
Like, you're sailing about the Indian Ocean stepping on the locals when suddenly an Indian fleet pops out of nowhere and pummels your ships of the line into the ground with a rocket barrage straight out of WWII because fuck cannons, that's not nearly as stylish as rockets. That sort of weird.
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I'm not rock throwing, simply using analysis to argue a valid point, one that was only brought to my attention by another player. Not going to dispute anything character development related, because I honestly know zero history of the characters from the last game that you've all fleshed out. I'm just stating that with the tech levels we have now that are analogous to a period of gunpowder weapons development in real life (circa 15th/16th century, no?), his cannon doesn't make sense. None of this matters though, because you've signed off on it and that's fine. It's a game and I want us to have fun and there's nothing wrong with creative construction taking a front seat to authenticity (this is an ASOIAF game) but I stress I was simply arguing a point from a basis of fairness.
My argument was that even in a prototype situation, shoving swords in a canon (which need to be long enough to hold them, and thus, heavier) with these early gunpowder mechanisms does not make sense. There are a plethora of technologically accurate alternatives out there though.
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To be fair, I'm not allowed to stick swords on the rockets yet. I don't get to have that much fun.
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As in mostly done as an answer to the problems of heavier and heavier weapons on the field, but limited space and weight allowances for long ships. The trade here is that the Iron Islands are behind the curve on cannon, but perfectly capable of lobbing what amount to long range grenades in rapid succession.
These aren't blowing massive holes in the battlefield (the casings can't take quite that level of pressure) but light blades, basic shrapnel, and more incendiary loads are within reach, just not quite on the table yet.
This is my fault, tech breakdowns should have been up with the OP. I'm fixing that.
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Also, and this really is just a general thing, technology doesn't develop linearly. That is to say that technology does not necessarily develop the exact same way as it did IOTL. It can skip steps, it can go down an entirely different tangent altogether, or it could even stagnate and reverse, this is because the drives and impetuses that caused technology to develop as it did or not the same across the board. Particularly with regards to technology that was not as fleshed out or traversed down as it was IOTL, rockets being a good example because cannons overtook them swiftly and they changed very little until the advent of iron-casing, things can get...weird.
Really weird.
Like, you're sailing about the Indian Ocean stepping on the locals when suddenly an Indian fleet pops out of nowhere and pummels your ships of the line into the ground with a rocket barrage straight out of WWII because fuck cannons, that's not nearly as stylish as rockets. That sort of weird.
These are all fair and accurate points, I completely agree with you here. Although you do know that cast iron cannons were lighter and cheaper, and thus more susceptible to blowing up.
To be fair, I'm not allowed to stick swords on the rockets yet. I don't get to have that much fun.
Wait...so I was arguing about something that you can't even do? Well now I just feel like a butthole.
This is not your fault, what you have just explained makes more sense than the argument I was making. The previous explanation offered to us gave myself and Ironanvil a completely different impression.
Edit: If you want I can help you out with the Tech, I have a decent working knowledge of this stuff.
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I think the only party looking to fire non-ball shaped projectiles from cannon at the moment is Braavos. Going after that sweet, sweet Ibben dosh.
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Which is why I'm not using cannons, I'm using rockets which fit more easily onto a longship. I have conventional cannons on the carracks, smaller ones like the ones being used to batter down fortifications, but I can't fit a cannon on a longship hence the rockets.
Do yet. Rest assured, I'm attaching swords to my rockets eventually, probably right before I team up with the Ibbenese and go full Dishonored if no one notices what I'm up to. :lol
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That makes a lot more sense all things considered in-universe historically and tech-wise.
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Okay. I'd expect the Ironborn to be losing a fair percentage of ships to their own weapons, frankly - low tech fuses for bursting shells aren't exactly the most reliable devices, given gunpowder development of the time.
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You can actually if you utilize a different type of ship, also known as a Xebec, and modify your longships into them. It was towards the end of domination of the Galleys of the Med, and they were easily retrofitted with cannons and used in examples such as the Battle of Lepanto. I don't even know if a rocket would be able to hold a sword long enough to get that kind of height, but suspension of disbelief is necessary for these kinds of things.
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Anyone want to RP? Characters in King's Landing, the Riverlands, the North, and Owen cemented his status as Worst Father by tearing Aethan away from all the ADVENTURE in King's Landing and sending him to Runestone in the Vale.
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To be fair, iron "arrows" were one of the earliest projectiles to get fired out of cannons in the medieval period.
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Lots of people are going to be killing themselves as well as their enemy until the grenadier and cannon tech reachest 1700s levels of development and the ascension of the Flintlock.
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Who you got in the North?
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They're probably about as reliable as the cannons which have a tendency to explode if cracked even slightly. Early gunpowder technology was finicky while people figured out the best ways not to get blown up.
Let me know when do you want to rp Daena in the North, and her meeting William.
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I still got Rodrik who could do things. I dunno, talk boats or get drunk and hit on people, either/or/both.
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You're talking about the iron arrows and grapeshot that the English used in the Hundred Years War against the French. I don't remember how effective they actually were compared to the grapeshot.
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Cast iron's a bastard that way - there's a reason Braavos is trying to monopolise the copper and tin supply.
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Daena Targaryen, she of the "It is my destiny to ride a dragon, Dad!" vs "It is your destiny to go to Winterfell where the Civil War is NOT, young lady."
Sounds like a great role model for a thirteen year old just got unheired Targaryen about to be packed off to the Vale to probably marry... @Mina if I said your description of Yolinda Royce made me think "Hida" would I be in the ball park?
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So the new Daemon Targaryen then?
Cause that whole "In the Vale the men fuck sheep instead of their women since their ugly" and the fact that Daemon was originally married to a Royce who he called his 'Bronze Bitch'
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Rodrik knows nothing of marriage, he knows only of wine, women, and boats.
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Doesn't Braavos have a crap load of it naturally due to its hilly and mountainous landscape, much like the Westerlands? Or are you just trying to cut your potential enemies off