A Light from the Shadow (Tolkien CKII)

Made the roll for Saruman own muster.

And Saruman departed the halls of the Dunlendings and behind him came two thousand footmen and five hundred riders. He armored their chieftains and their guards with steel from the smithies of Orthanc and even those who had succumbed to the call of the Unhoused he compelled to follow such was the power of his voice.

For he had discovered that those shamans of Dunlendings had shared their bodies not with servant of the Shadow willing but with Elves who had refused to leave the forests and mountains they had loved in life. While refusal of the summons of Mandos is a grievous fault, Saruman drove them to fury against the Orcs, hunters of beasts and hewers of trees.

Yet their guilt was still plain to his eyes and they were all unrepentant and no art of Curunir could make them promise they would wander westwards to the Havens and the crews Cirdan keep for such reprobates. Washing his hands Saruman the White placed them in the first line and prayed to the Powers the problem would solve itself in the heat of the battle.
 
well, legolas wasnt much use either- they were just there for moral support for aragorn
In the books, Gimli wanted to run and hide and needed Aragorn to literally magically dominate him into advancing since before the shades even gathered. A situation that did not change throughout the entire march and left Gimli a shaken, self-loathing mess afterwards.
Made the roll for Saruman own muster.

And Saruman departed the halls of the Dunlendings and behind him came two thousand footmen and five hundred riders. He armored their chieftains and their guards with steel from the smithies of Orthanc and even those who had succumbed to the call of the Unhoused he compelled to follow such was the power of his voice.

For he had discovered that those shamans of Dunlendings had shared their bodies not with servant of the Shadow willing but with Elves who had refused to leave the forests and mountains they had loved in life. While refusal of the summons of Mandos is a grievous fault, Saruman drove them to fury against the Orcs, hunters of beasts and hewers of trees.

Yet their guilt was still plain to his eyes and they were all unrepentant and no art of Curunir could make them promise they would wander westwards to the Havens and the crews Cirdan keep for such reprobates. Washing his hands Saruman the White placed them in the first line and prayed to the Powers the problem would solve itself in the heat of the battle.

Well, that solves that problem then.
 
Yes this is a strange passage. it bugged me when I read it because Gimli had proven resistant to magical influence before. He is the first to call bullshit on Saruman's voice by instance.
 
Yes this is a strange passage. it bugged me when I read it because Gimli had proven resistant to magical influence before. He is the first to call bullshit on Saruman's voice by instance.
Some child, probably: "Gee, Mr Gimli! Is there anything that does scare dwarves?"
Gimli, probably: "Of course, laddie. Ghosts."
 
Yes this is a strange passage. it bugged me when I read it because Gimli had proven resistant to magical influence before. He is the first to call bullshit on Saruman's voice by instance.

I think the issue is that for the journey to be harrowing one of the main characters would have to find it so. Aragorn could not of course, it was his trial. Legolas made no sense, for why would the immortal elves fear the restless shades of Men who tarried overlong in Arda... so that leaves poor Gimli.
 
I think the issue is that for the journey to be harrowing one of the main characters would have to find it so. Aragorn could not of course, it was his trial. Legolas made no sense, for why would the immortal elves fear the restless shades of Men who tarried overlong in Arda... so that leaves poor Gimli.
yeah he really got the short end of the stick, where's Pippin when you need him?
 
Arathorn I Chieftain of the Dunedain
Arathorn I Chieftain of the Dunedain


Diplomacy: 5+15+5: 25:
Your tongue has been formed in Rivendell where Elves yet dwell
Intrigue: 5+18+5: 28: Many shadows infest your land and your eyes has grown keen to hunt them
Learning: 5+17+5: 27: From the mouth of Elrond to your ears, master of Lore
Martial: 5+17+5: 27: Chieftain of the North, your blade has been bloodied many times
Piety: 5+15: 20: To the Powers give thanks for they help men forlorn
Stewardship: 5+15+5: 25: You can survive what would kill others.

Traits
Dunedain:
The blood of Numenor is not yet spent in your veins. 5 in base stats, 5d5 to roll stats. 35 is the limits for Dunedain
Elven-raised: Your father is a man but he who taught you was Elrond of Rivendell and you learned much: +5 Learning and Diplomacy
Captains of the Rangers: The Wild others fear is your second home: +5 Intrigue, Martial and Stewardship
Calagil:
From the shards of Narsil the bane of Shadow was born. May it serve you well on the field: +5 Martial, +10 when fighting undead including Nazgul

Morgul-Wounded: Deep and dark are the arts of Morgul, even those who survive them are struck down. Won't ever go back to the battlefield
 
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Stewardship: 5+15+5: 25: You can survive what would kill others.

That's a very strange stat description for stewardship. Unless people other than hobbits have discovered paper, there wouldn't even be enough paperwork to justify this fear.
 
I use Stewardship as the stat for living off in the wilderness, gather food, build a shelter, know your maps, etc, etc.

Paperwork seems to exist in the armies of Sauron. There are mentions Orcs have identifications numbers
 
The Rings
The Rings
So speaks Saruman the White, Chief of the Wise and authority in the matter of the Rings of Power.

After the breaking of Thangorodrim and the sinking of Beleriand, the Valar gave to the Elves permission to sail westwards to the Undying Lands. Galadriel only was still under ban because she was then the only surviving royal Noldor who had left without the leave and consent of the Powers. Not all accepted and many remained in the lands they had grown to love and the Laiquendi, the Silvan Elves were not ready to depart yet. That was good but Celebrimbor grandson of Féanor was not content to dwell in Middle-Earth free from the Valar's decree. He had never seen Aman but he longed to recreate the glories others had spoken of. He despaired of the Fading of the Elves, the process where the féa of the Firsborn burns their hröa until they pass in the Unseen.

Rings, decided the smith, were the solution. The shape of a Ring is a circle who has no beginning and no end. A Ring worn by an Incarnate makes their essence flows into a circle, meeting and reinforcing itself without outside intervention. The wielder of a Ring does not fade but becomes simply themselves as time passes and the works of their féa partake of this immunity to change. Yet the Lesser Rings who are pure circle of gold and silver did not work. They could stave off decay, slow it to a crawl but not reverse it. And the strain eventually broke them.

Then came Sauron in Eregion under a fair guise. He saw Celebrimbor's plight and offered knowledge. A circle is perfect as the Music but the world is not composed of music alone and thus, the Rings needed a counterpoint. A single gem making the Rings a mirror of the world and enabling them to reach through the Discord to hold back time possibly forever.

The Nine were created with gems and each was to have its own powers. The Seven were an experiment where Celebrimbor the Noldo and Gorthaur who had been of the people of craft managed to bring their creation in accordance to the Song of Aulë. Celebrimbor made the Three in remembrance of the Silmarils lost to water, air and fire and never Sauron touched them. Yet their creation was also sinful for seasons must pass and time must flow even in the Undying Lands.

A Ring thus enforces the cohesion between féa and hröa which, while not harmful to Elves, directly interferes with the natural desire of Man's féa who longs to depart beyond the circles of the world. A man with a Ring of Power does not die but he doesn't receive an addition of life. His existence stretches out without beginning or end as his spirit grows more powerful than it should but the body slowly fades into the Unseen. The Nazgul are not as the Elves think undead strictly speaking for they never truly died. Their forms exist in the Unseen World only and they cover their void with cloaks, armors and masks. Through the gems of their Rings they have access to the Discord and thus to sorcery undreamt even of the Dunedain.

If one man came to wear one of the Seven, the same thing would happen.

The One Ring has no gem save the eternal might of Sauron who through his mastery of the Discord can reach through the others' Rings and master both their wielders and their works. Only the Dwarves proved resistant to that even if their Rings drove them to greed and pride. Yet if it was destroyed then all the Rings would fail and the works made with them would pass from the world and never be seen again.

Saruman now thinks it is a good thing. Especially as you argued even the Three are not exempt of the Discord as it was once thought.
 
So, who all knows about and discussed this? Or was this another meeting behind closed doors and, therefore, isn't going to help us deal with Thrain's issue? We really need to get that ring off him.

How much of your Darkest Time quest are you using here? If you're using the same parts of the backstory and anyone knows about the war Sauron fueled via rings of power between two certain dwarven clans in the south and east, maybe it would work as an argument.
 
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So, who all knows about and discussed this? Or was this another meeting behind closed doors and, therefore, isn't going to help us deal with Thrain's issue? We really need to get that ring off him.

How much of your Darkest Time quest are you using here? If you're using the same parts of the backstory and anyone knows about the war Sauron fueled via rings of power between two certain dwarven clans in the south and east, maybe it would work as an argument.

Thrain knows. His answer is "Sauron has not the One Ring and according to your own findings he can't control me anyways"

As for Darkest Time, yeah the Dwarves backstory is canon in this quest too.,
 
Considering the rings still drove them to excessive greed and pride wearing them might still not be the best idea.
 
Considering the rings still drove them to excessive greed and pride wearing them might still not be the best idea.

Yes and we know that OOC but in my opinion the issue is not so clear-cut IC. Dwarves do not become wraiths and don't even get more years of life with the Great Rings. Thrain or more likely a Dwarf loremaster will make the argument that the nature of the Dwarves is different enough for them to not be affected at all.

Also mechanically a Ring of Power is a "+5 in every stats with an unique power" item. You can understand Thrain doesn't want to get it off his finger. And if Elrond, Gandalf and Galadriel tried to force the issue, it would be rank hypocrisy.
 
Yes and we know that OOC but in my opinion the issue is not so clear-cut IC. Dwarves do not become wraiths and don't even get more years of life with the Great Rings. Thrain or more likely a Dwarf loremaster will make the argument that the nature of the Dwarves is different enough for them to not be affected at all.

Also mechanically a Ring of Power is a "+5 in every stats with an unique power" item. You can understand Thrain doesn't want to get it off his finger. And if Elrond, Gandalf and Galadriel tried to force the issue, it would be rank hypocrisy.
With Dol Guldur gone, his urge to go hiking through Mirkwood should also disappear I imagine, so the issue isn't quite as urgent anymore I suppose.
 
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Helms’ Deep
Helms' Deep
When the Dwarves made war upon the Orcs of the Misty Mountains they burned many of their fastnesses and broke down the gates of many of their strongholds. When the news came upon the survivors the Dark Fire of Moria had turned against their kind and that the Dwarves were ruling in the caverns, they were pale with mortal dread. They looked to the lands of the east and the plains of Rohan and greed allied with fear as they said to themselves: "If we stay in the Mountains the Dwarves will come and strike us down. If we flee to the depths, fire will come and consume us. We sense already his heat on our faces. Let us descend in the plains and to other mountains they know not. And thus they descended in Rohan first in scattered bands but soon in mighty hosts of a sort, led by great captains who forsook their snowy thrones and left their halls to the elements.

King Brytta gathered his riders and set on the invaders with speed and spears. Yet even as he destroyed the raiders, some of the survivors soon left their depredations and looked at the Rohirrim army as their chief foe. Such was the desire of the King who taunted them as he drove his forces through their hosts. Soon such was the ire of their captains they kept their hosts from despoiling the land to urge them against the horsemen. Brytta led them on a merry chase and the Orcs didn't catch him before the gates of Helm's Deep were closed upon him and the warriors of his house. They couldn't risk to see him renew his campaign against them so they put the citadel to siege.

To counteract this and to bring the Dunlendings back among the Free People, Saruman the White who had them under his protection. He travelled to the halls of their chieftains and argued that saving the Rohirrims from the Orcs would put them in the debt of those they had scorned for centuries. And weren't those who lived near the march of the Isen kinsmen of the men of Dunland anyway.

And Saruman departed the halls of the Dunlendings and behind him came two thousand footmen and five hundred riders. He armored their chieftains and their guards with steel from the smithies of Orthanc and even those who had succumbed to the call of the Unhoused he compelled to follow such was the power of his voice.

For he had discovered that those shamans of Dunlendings had shared their bodies not with servant of the Shadow willing but with Elves who had refused to leave the forests and mountains they had loved in life. While refusal of the summons of Mandos is a grievous fault, Saruman drove them to fury against the Orcs, hunters of beasts and hewers of trees.

Yet their guilt was still plain to his eyes and they were all unrepentant and no art of Curunir could make them promise they would wander westwards to the Havens and the crews Cirdan keep for such reprobates. Washing his hands Saruman the White placed them in the first line and prayed to the Powers the problem would solve itself in the heat of the battle.

Great was the struggle in the valley of Helm's Deep but the issue was never in doubt for the host of Dunland came during the day as the vigilance of the Orcs was at the lowest and their riders set ablaze the main camp announcing to Brytta an army had come at his relief. The Dunlendings came upon the Orcs and Trolls and Wolves with great axes and swords, swinging them as if they felled trees for winter. Their hunters, accustomed to the hunting of fell beasts, loosed their arrows on these Trolls who came at sunset and they didn't fear to come in close to hewn their limbs, at great cost for themselves.

Yet the greatest deed, eclipsing even the charge of Brytta who ordered the gates open to let pass his riders, was accomplished by Braca of Dunland. In the midst of the battle, at the heart of the fighting, he and his guard were set upon by a great Goblin captain riding a Warg chieftain. Such strong was the blow the young man dealt to his foe, his sword broke in three pieces and he split the Goblin from head to belt. Yet he was weaponless when the Warg jumped on him and began to claw his face.

To the amaze of all, even to King Brytta who cut his way through the horde. Braca was not killed but he took the Warg's neck in his hands and prayed to Tiwaz, such is the name the Dunlending give to Tulkas the Strong. Young was Braca for this deed but still his hands closed on the wolf's neck like a vice of iron and he didn't release his grip.

Under the eyes of Saruman coming to his aid, he strangled the Warg chieftain and cast his broken corpse at his feet. Seeing this the wolves ran from the battlefield and were all slain by the riders of Dunland sent to their pursuit. Seeing their captain slain, the Goblins lost heart but they were taken between Brytta and Braca like between hammer and anvil. None survived to bring news of the defeat in the Mountains and it was as if Rohan had swallowed them whole.

After the battle Brytta of Rohan who ruled from Meduseld came to Braca and before Helm's fortress he called him Hammerhand for never before one had seen a Warg chief being slain with bare hands and even Saruman looked in wonder for such a thing had not been heard of since the days Finrod Felagund died in Sauron's dungeons.

But perhaps more daring was the young man's next deed for in the battle he had seen Begild, the king's daughter of an age with him, who had fought at the manner of the maidens of noble line in Rohan. Desire had taken root in the Dunlending's heart and he offered to her the spoils of his victory and asked the permission to court her. She accepted being free of heart and loving the sound of battle and the glory of the field. Three years they danced around one another and then they were wed in Meduseld halls and none ever spoke of Helm's slaying of Freca and Wulf's revenge for this deed anymore.
 
Wow such badassery, and even when I think wargs of Third age are smaller than those of the first, it is still amazing deed. Maybe saruman can sense Tulkas blessing on him?
 
Welp, i don't think the people of Dunland and Rohan are going to have much trouble coexisting after this.
What happened to the unhoused by the way?
 
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