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An Este former orc is legally qualified to be King of Gondor
A Light from the Shadow (Tolkien CKII)
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Is the ability to heal the only requirement for kingship?
DocMatoi
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"The hands of a King are the hands of a healer" as Ioreth the prophetess said.Is the ability to heal the only requirement for kingship?
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Prekk becomes Palantir the Farsighted. Trait: Vaire-Blood: Delivers true prophecies. Options related to the Music, notably magical weavings.
Prekk has a new interest (Weaving)
Orcs discover Art and grow fond of beauty and long to create it. Left to themselves they will search to apprentice themselves to the Dwarves or Elves.
The White Council opinion of Orcs of Moria is (Benevolent Compassion)
Galadriel opinion of Orc is (A New Race to Teach)
Have we just invented fashion-orcs?Prekk has a new interest (Weaving)
Orcs discover Art and grow fond of beauty and long to create it. Left to themselves they will search to apprentice themselves to the Dwarves or Elves.
The White Council opinion of Orcs of Moria is (Benevolent Compassion)
Galadriel opinion of Orc is (A New Race to Teach)
DocMatoi
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maybe, but consider: prophecy
Meanwhile in Valinor
ganonso
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Meanwhile in Valinor
It was not in the nature of Finarfin, High King of the Noldor in the Blessed Realm, to gainsay the Powers. He had learned not to in seeing the great harbors set ablaze in the night and of all the House of Finwë he had turned from war and kinslaying and abased himself, recognizing he had been mad to follow Féanor even for a moment. Nothing, not even their father's death could justify such a crime. Then he had travelled to Endor himself and had learned what his nephews had done in pursuit of their blasphemous Oath. He had known it before, Elwing had been clear about why she had jumped in the sea the Silmaril on her heart. Yet to see the ruins of Sirion and heard from yet other survivors. He had fought there and mourned those of his kin who remained there still, like Galadriel who had refused the pardon of the Valar and the occasion to come back to the bliss of Valinor. Well not bliss for everyone, there were elves who were kin to the kinslayers and for some the guilt of their parents was too much to bear
He remembered Nerdanel who has been so strong, Nerdanel who had endured listening to all the tales from the burning of the ships at Losgar and the march of Fingolfin's host through the Grinding Ice to the final madness of her two sons, one casting himself in the fire and the other ever wandering. She had heard it all and she had died without a sound, falling to the ground like a puppet whose strings were cut. Finarfin had known it was possible for the Firstborn to release their spirit to Mandos' care but to see it happen before him… He hoped the smith was reunited with her sons and some semblance of family had been restored to her, but Mandos' servants were silent on what happened in their Halls.
The high king shuddered. The Powers were distraught and it was felt everywhere in the Blessed Realm. That wasn't like the Darkening, far from it but in some ways it was worse. There the darkness had come unbidden from outside. Here, the discord was in the chorus of the Powers themselves. He didn't know the issue but the two camps were rather clearly delineated.
In the far hills, on a newly raised island who shook with the force of their blows, Oromë and Tulkas "sparred". Their weapons struck down stone, their punches made the sound of thunder and they were at if for the last seven days, so Finarfin had doubts the sparring was only to keep them on war footing. Their anger, not at one another but at some unknown source, was palpable even on the mainland. Here in Tirion the king of the Noldor could feel it crawl along his spine, making him wish to find a quiet hole to disappear waiting for the storm to pass. He doubted he was the only one to think these thoughts.
The Warriors of Heavens were not the only one to act strangely. Aulë, Ulmo and Yavanna had forsaken their mantles to rejoin the land itself, apparently sulking if such a term could be applied to the Powers. Still the Lord of Waters seemed rather, happy about whatever developments whatever they were and the waves came play with the elf-children. He was not the only one happy, the Féanturi, at least Irmo and Este were positively beaming and their song came like nightingales on the land, celebrating the dream that becomes truth. Nienna was still in mourning true, and Namo and Vaïre were silent but there was an air of victory coming from their mansions as if something long awaited had come to pass. Vana was also joyful, running across Valinor and making all things flower with her presence.
Still Finarfin could not keep from shivering when he heard the wind. Perhaps it was simply his imagination but he seemed to hear something repeated ad libitum.
"Forgive us, Father for we didn't know what we were doing."
It was not in the nature of Finarfin, High King of the Noldor in the Blessed Realm, to gainsay the Powers. He had learned not to in seeing the great harbors set ablaze in the night and of all the House of Finwë he had turned from war and kinslaying and abased himself, recognizing he had been mad to follow Féanor even for a moment. Nothing, not even their father's death could justify such a crime. Then he had travelled to Endor himself and had learned what his nephews had done in pursuit of their blasphemous Oath. He had known it before, Elwing had been clear about why she had jumped in the sea the Silmaril on her heart. Yet to see the ruins of Sirion and heard from yet other survivors. He had fought there and mourned those of his kin who remained there still, like Galadriel who had refused the pardon of the Valar and the occasion to come back to the bliss of Valinor. Well not bliss for everyone, there were elves who were kin to the kinslayers and for some the guilt of their parents was too much to bear
He remembered Nerdanel who has been so strong, Nerdanel who had endured listening to all the tales from the burning of the ships at Losgar and the march of Fingolfin's host through the Grinding Ice to the final madness of her two sons, one casting himself in the fire and the other ever wandering. She had heard it all and she had died without a sound, falling to the ground like a puppet whose strings were cut. Finarfin had known it was possible for the Firstborn to release their spirit to Mandos' care but to see it happen before him… He hoped the smith was reunited with her sons and some semblance of family had been restored to her, but Mandos' servants were silent on what happened in their Halls.
The high king shuddered. The Powers were distraught and it was felt everywhere in the Blessed Realm. That wasn't like the Darkening, far from it but in some ways it was worse. There the darkness had come unbidden from outside. Here, the discord was in the chorus of the Powers themselves. He didn't know the issue but the two camps were rather clearly delineated.
In the far hills, on a newly raised island who shook with the force of their blows, Oromë and Tulkas "sparred". Their weapons struck down stone, their punches made the sound of thunder and they were at if for the last seven days, so Finarfin had doubts the sparring was only to keep them on war footing. Their anger, not at one another but at some unknown source, was palpable even on the mainland. Here in Tirion the king of the Noldor could feel it crawl along his spine, making him wish to find a quiet hole to disappear waiting for the storm to pass. He doubted he was the only one to think these thoughts.
The Warriors of Heavens were not the only one to act strangely. Aulë, Ulmo and Yavanna had forsaken their mantles to rejoin the land itself, apparently sulking if such a term could be applied to the Powers. Still the Lord of Waters seemed rather, happy about whatever developments whatever they were and the waves came play with the elf-children. He was not the only one happy, the Féanturi, at least Irmo and Este were positively beaming and their song came like nightingales on the land, celebrating the dream that becomes truth. Nienna was still in mourning true, and Namo and Vaïre were silent but there was an air of victory coming from their mansions as if something long awaited had come to pass. Vana was also joyful, running across Valinor and making all things flower with her presence.
Still Finarfin could not keep from shivering when he heard the wind. Perhaps it was simply his imagination but he seemed to hear something repeated ad libitum.
"Forgive us, Father for we didn't know what we were doing."
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Hah!
You see? This is what you get for not even trying to understand the Children of Eru from their own perspective, and thereby failing to develop the discernment needed to stop missing the point.
This is what you get! Biblical references!
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I guess that the Valar are kind of feeling like dicks for not trying to heal the orcs before? Because otherwise i haven't the slightest idea of what is happening.
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@ganonso, I have a fairly important question, one that should really have occurred to me earlier (as in, a whole turn ago): why do you seem to have erased The Iron Hills from your setting? Nain, Dain and the rest of the Iron Hills folk arrived late in the Battle of Azanulbizar and managed to secure victory, in canon anyway, and that's because they came from the Iron Hills, which was really far away. But the current strategic situation treats things as if The Iron Hills are not a thing and only Thranduil is expected to hold the (very vast as a result) eastern front. You even had Nain stay here in Moria instead of going back home where the major bulk of his population is.
ganonso
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It's because I've been running Thrain and co quest in parallell. They have massively invested in immigration. The Dwarves of the Iron Hills are basically Durin's Folk so they came to Khazad-Dum once it was reclaimed.
Perhaps I misread but the Iron Hills always seemed to me to have only become a true permanent settlement and not a waiting place before reclaiming old terrritory when canon Dwarves decided against retaking Moria.
I mean the distance is much lesser but I always understood the Iron Hills to have been deserted in canon and the population going back to Erebor.
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Not entirely deserted, but most did move into Erebor once it was retaken. However, I think your sense of temporal scale might be a bit skewed. I don't believe the relocation happened in one or two years even when moving into Erebor, and the Hills WERE rich in iron as far as anyone knows. As for this quest, it's doubly problematic since it would have taken around half a year just to cross the distance, and the logistics of that are not fun, especially with winter being a thing and limiting convoy sizes and trips to just once or twice a year due to inevitable food supply limitations. As far as I can fathom, Nain wouldn't have deserted an otherwise prosperous dwarf realm in any case, though the lure of mithril might be enough to offset that.
Regardless, I don't see how Nain would have managed to move even half of his population over considering we've only just moved into the second year of our quest since Moria was retaken. Some of it might even be underway at this point, which makes one wonder how they'll be caught in whatever campaign Galadriel launches with Thranduil. Keep in mind that it would have taken a while for news of the victory at Moria to even REACH the people there, and winter would have set in soon after, so even the first stages of immigration would have been impossible before THIS turn.
Unless they had really good and loyal ravens and their protocols allow for things like this to be arranged via raven at all, I guess, but even so...
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The dwarves also only get a food import set up (from us even) at the start of just this year, so any call for immigration prior to that would have been risky in the extreme, since none but the barebones of renovations would have been properly completed by then either. In other circumstances I would assume that some of the logistical measures used during the War of the Dwarves and Orcs were still in place, but you did state outright that the dwarves are dependent on us for food.
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ganonso
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Yeah I confess, I totally underestimated the size of the Iron Hills. I'm getting better though, first I don't know why but I placed them in Lindon with the Blue Mountains I may also have overestimated the lure of Khazad-Dum.
Basically the folks of the Iron Hill are slowly immigrating with Moria with as you describe long caravans once or twice a year. But they are leaving, their whole infrastructure is slowly being repurposed to leaving and a good part of their nobles hiked on the first caravan.
Nain decided this, among other things because retaking the ancestral halls are very important and also because of a certain Ring. Rings of Power cannot compel Dwarves much but when they are used to back the orders of the Heir of Durin, they can impose some sense of urgency.
So yeah they are getting to contend with Galadriel campaign and even contribute some men. Let's say the Council forgot about that because well no Dwarf was present during the war planning session as it only included the White Council.
Basically the folks of the Iron Hill are slowly immigrating with Moria with as you describe long caravans once or twice a year. But they are leaving, their whole infrastructure is slowly being repurposed to leaving and a good part of their nobles hiked on the first caravan.
Nain decided this, among other things because retaking the ancestral halls are very important and also because of a certain Ring. Rings of Power cannot compel Dwarves much but when they are used to back the orders of the Heir of Durin, they can impose some sense of urgency.
So yeah they are getting to contend with Galadriel campaign and even contribute some men. Let's say the Council forgot about that because well no Dwarf was present during the war planning session as it only included the White Council.
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Er... what? That's kind of absurd. Are you saying that this.
Was followed by the owners of the halls where all of this was happening being evicted from the actual planning?
And if ONLY the White Council was present, then should I assume that the following are just decisions that the "Wise" took without the input of the others they themselves invited over?
Elrond didn't have the gall to do this when he hosted the Council in canon.
There might have been a wee case of things no longer making sense at some point or other, Captain.
Also, more TRIVIA!
The Longbeard Dwarves of Khazad-dûm colonized the Iron Hills in the First Age. The Hills were their primary source of iron-ore. At least according to The Peoples of Middle-earth, "Of Dwarves and Men," as summarised in Tolkiengateway. If this means Moria was rich in Mithril but not iron, I will laugh.
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.This, I think, might be the fault of the movies. They make it sound like Dain was present at a meeting of the Lords called by Thorin, which would only have been possible if Dain was, at the very least, this side of the Misty Mountains at the time. Of course, this plot hole is glossed over entirely later, when the Iron Hills army arrives in a jiffy once the raven brings them the news. Along with why Dain didn't forewarn Thorin about Mirkwood if he was really there (and somehow made it back to the Iron Hills just fine and long before Thorin gets to Erebor in the films, incidentally).
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ganonso
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It was more intended to be "We have discussed with the other guys what they are ready to accept, so let us convene Security Council aside to plan our next move against Sauron" and "Thrain seems to be dreaming of Mirkwood, let us not encourage him on this point" and yeah Elrond considering the Rangers and Saruman the Dunlendings like their vassals to order about was deliberate but I realize now it was a mistake.
Ah and also "let's not let Celeborn and any Dwarf in the same room any second more than strictly necessary"
Basically the idea I failed to communicate was that after the big council where everybody share news, people basically form their own sub-councils and arrange their own plans. In that optic, Galadriel would have decided "we are going to attack Dol Guldur so I will, no alone Celeborn dear, seek the help of Nain" and Saruman going to Braca : "M'dear boy, what you would say of becoming King of Enedwaith?"
But yeah I see how that fails.
Ah and also "let's not let Celeborn and any Dwarf in the same room any second more than strictly necessary"
Basically the idea I failed to communicate was that after the big council where everybody share news, people basically form their own sub-councils and arrange their own plans. In that optic, Galadriel would have decided "we are going to attack Dol Guldur so I will, no alone Celeborn dear, seek the help of Nain" and Saruman going to Braca : "M'dear boy, what you would say of becoming King of Enedwaith?"
But yeah I see how that fails.
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I'm glad this was caught now instead of later then. Otherwise "The Free Peoples" would have turned into a misnomer.
If it helps with the cognitive dissonance any, I was reading all this on the assumption that this is basically like the Council of Elrond, where everyone (these ARE lords and kings and ambassadors in their own right) gathers daily and talk about Matters of Great Importance in order to decide what to do as a group. Nothing you wrote made me think otherwise.
As for your idea that Elrond considers himself a lord of all free elves and men of the North... I think the Hobbit movie is again to blame for this. He was nowhere even approaching presumptuous and condescending in the books. Except maybe through his conditions to Aragorn to allow him to wed Arwen. Maybe. If you squint.
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ganonso
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Basically the thing is it is a much less focused affair than the Council of Elrond. That gathering had a clear objective "We have the Ruling Ring, what we are doing with it", with the matter of Saruman's treachery being brought by Gandalf
The council of these updates was more "Strange things happen. Let's gather people from all kindreds to discuss what's happening before the White Council (who are at the table some of the only people with sizeable armies) decide what to do.
Basically
Hassan: There is a Nazgul in Umbar!
Elrond: That sucks! Can anybody helps him
Lothiriel: I can open the borders of Dol Amroth for his partisans
Hassan: Not that great but thanks we will need this.
Elrond: Dol Guldur seems to have been abandonned
Galadriel: Good moment to destroy it then, we'll contact Thranduil and settle this ourselves
Elrond: So Arnor?
Morianor: I'm going
Gandalf: Me too
Radagast: And I
Saruman: Nobody wants to go with me liberate Rohan? No? Suit yourself
On a Doylist perspective the objective who worked was to indicate a target for yourself. I had no great hopes you would go for Umbar,simply including this plot because well that's an obvious move for Sauron but you could totally have decided to go to Rohan with Saruman and the Dunlendings.
The council of these updates was more "Strange things happen. Let's gather people from all kindreds to discuss what's happening before the White Council (who are at the table some of the only people with sizeable armies) decide what to do.
Basically
Hassan: There is a Nazgul in Umbar!
Elrond: That sucks! Can anybody helps him
Lothiriel: I can open the borders of Dol Amroth for his partisans
Hassan: Not that great but thanks we will need this.
Elrond: Dol Guldur seems to have been abandonned
Galadriel: Good moment to destroy it then, we'll contact Thranduil and settle this ourselves
Elrond: So Arnor?
Morianor: I'm going
Gandalf: Me too
Radagast: And I
Saruman: Nobody wants to go with me liberate Rohan? No? Suit yourself
On a Doylist perspective the objective who worked was to indicate a target for yourself. I had no great hopes you would go for Umbar,simply including this plot because well that's an obvious move for Sauron but you could totally have decided to go to Rohan with Saruman and the Dunlendings.
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I don't know about anyone else, but I didn't get any vibes about Saruman even wanting to DO that with the Dunlendings until he said it. Before that it was all "I want them made competent at things besides reaving" and, for Braca's part, "Oh my, sorcerers in groves, and incidentally Rohan would like to see the last of us in any case." In response to that, I looked for the way most likely to remove most reasons for aggression between those two factions. And canon has Rohan successfully dealing with the orcs (eventually) so there was also that.
You might have considered providing one update where everyone who's anyone put down a strategic and a tactical objective they would like to see fulfilled. That's kind of how war councils should go, I think. Then we might have known Saruman wants to go to helm's deep, or that Rohan even WAS battling it out to Helm's deep already.
There would have been put forward a list of assets, a list of problems, and then a list of objectives. The following is what I can summarise of NEW things, that have occurred in addition or in spite of canon at this time. All this notwithstanding my continued opinion that far too many things happened at once to put the good guys on the backfoot.
The good guys got:
The bad guys meanwhile got, in ONE YEAR
That said, where is the surge in patriotism and competence in Arnor? Why did the Dunedain get no surge of energy or heroism and hope? They seem quite doomed as things are now. No movements from Farngorn either? Did the Ents get no spark of their own from our awakening? None of the other, previously unknown and isolated factions had trouble causing rumors of themselves to spread. I suppose it would still be too "hasty" for them? I thought Saruman was in touch with Treebeard periodically?
Conversely, where is the time of crisis for the Orcs? You know, the one they skipped in order to besiege the lights out of Rohan despite them having just had their clock cleaned non-stop by the dwarves for the past 6 years?
Maybe if these had been staggered over five or more turns, we would have felt secure enough in our Orcs to venture to Umbar. As it is, it never even crossed my mind other than as an academic issue.
TL;DR:
This quest needs a bit more consistency and more active GM enabling of informed decisions.
You might have considered providing one update where everyone who's anyone put down a strategic and a tactical objective they would like to see fulfilled. That's kind of how war councils should go, I think. Then we might have known Saruman wants to go to helm's deep, or that Rohan even WAS battling it out to Helm's deep already.
There would have been put forward a list of assets, a list of problems, and then a list of objectives. The following is what I can summarise of NEW things, that have occurred in addition or in spite of canon at this time. All this notwithstanding my continued opinion that far too many things happened at once to put the good guys on the backfoot.
The good guys got:
- Us (Balrog Istar is a big thing, admittedly, but take us in light of the rest)
- a bunch of orcs that will need years of babysitting before we can do anything with them
- Dwarves
- Saruman getting a grip on life.
- Harad realising that slavery isn't fair
The bad guys meanwhile got, in ONE YEAR
- Wights in Arnor
- Uppity unhoused umaiar in Arnor (at least these were already here)
- Rumors of Carn Dum being rebuilt (after ONE YEAR, because it bears repeating for this particular case)
- Orcs in the north that are beyond the means of the Dunedain to contain and deal with, somehow
- Black Numenoreans in the north, see above
- Adnuphael in Umbar
- Nazgul that somehow reached the far south AND had time to plan, chart and go on a quest to Morenor
- "suddenly sorcerers" in Dunland,
- "suddenly sorcerers" in Umbar
- beleaguered orc refugees from the War of the Dwarves and Orcs somehow forming a big and organised enough war force to force Rohan into a last stand at Helm's Deep (of which we didn't find out when we were supposed to put forward solutions) (Again, in ONE YEAR)
- Harad failing to actually do anything about slavery not being fair (despite everything that the bad guys managed to do in that one year)
- Arnor needs the wights dealt with (Miriel) - Done
- Harad needs help rebelling (Hassan) - Sort of done, vaguely
- Send people to forster the fires of rebellion - Not stated as an objective. Elrond eventually came up with this idea, fortunately
- Carn Dum needs scouting (Elrond and Miriel) - Not actually stated as an objective
- Rohan needs help - (Saruman) - Not mentioned beyond "orcs fled there and are causing damage" unless my memory is faulty. So not actually stated anywhere and we were not actually told it was already this bad, and the time frame of one year since the end of the War of the Dwarves and Orcs completely excluded everything aforementioned from my consideration.
- I want the Dunlendings to go relieve them and maybe some more help? (Saruman) - Again, not stated at all
- Dunland has sorcerer or whatever problems, I need them rooted out of their groves (Braca) - Not stated except the story he told to Morianor in private
That said, where is the surge in patriotism and competence in Arnor? Why did the Dunedain get no surge of energy or heroism and hope? They seem quite doomed as things are now. No movements from Farngorn either? Did the Ents get no spark of their own from our awakening? None of the other, previously unknown and isolated factions had trouble causing rumors of themselves to spread. I suppose it would still be too "hasty" for them? I thought Saruman was in touch with Treebeard periodically?
Conversely, where is the time of crisis for the Orcs? You know, the one they skipped in order to besiege the lights out of Rohan despite them having just had their clock cleaned non-stop by the dwarves for the past 6 years?
Maybe if these had been staggered over five or more turns, we would have felt secure enough in our Orcs to venture to Umbar. As it is, it never even crossed my mind other than as an academic issue.
TL;DR:
This quest needs a bit more consistency and more active GM enabling of informed decisions.
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ganonso
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Ok I understand.
Part of it is that in true RPG fashion, the situation is not nearly as desesperate as you think it is (which I would call a mitigated GM success in frightening you.) So let's take some points who I think are important.
Carn Düm is being rebuilt. It is not rebuilt yet. Perhaps it is because English is not my first language but what I wanted to say was literally "Orcs and evil men are squatting in the ruins under possibly a Nazgul. Judging this state of affair not that good, they are rebuilding the fortress" As they are clearing debris right now not sitting in Carn Dûm 2.0
Harad situation has passed from: "You know the Umbari are dicks but at least they are not Gondorians and they serve the Lord right?" to "Curse these tyrants and their false god, but we're will be slaughtered if we attack directly so let us bide our time" There are even talks among them to reaching to Gondor of all people because the Umbari have embraced cartoonish evil (canonically a feature of the Cult of Morgoth/Sauron, it litterally drives your soul to nihilism) If you had chosen to intervene directly in Harad (let's say send Gandalf and Saruman while taking his place to Helm's Deep you would have the chance to drive the Nazgul away and have HARAD as a member of the Free People" Just like you have now the chance to help restablishing the Kingdom of Arnor
The Nazgul in Morennor is blind as a bat and acting from rumors and visions of Sauron via the Ithil-stone. Let us just say their quest has great chances to kill them and bring you an ally.
Speaking of Nazguls I think I said it before but with their Rings they are more powerful, but they are also mortals making Sauron's plan kind of a gamble.
Also on the "suddenly sorcerers", we're still in the Legendarium, Human Sorcerers are great and terrible for Middle Men and Men of Darkness but their power outside of great rituals is not that impressive. Yeah some of them will be able to cast a fireball and they can congregate to create a storm but even if they fought all together against, let's say Radagast, they would die messily. Even Palantir untutored as he is could wipe the floor with them.
As for the Orcs and Helm's Deep
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Well, then I admit this skipped my mind when the deluge of other info came through, and because my mind still can't wrap around this competence on the orcs' part, since it would have prevented the dwarves from winning so soundly until Azanulbizar. This oversight is precisely the sort of thing a nice list in "White Council: Part 1" would have prevented.
But I still think that there aren't nearly enough rumors of GOOD things happening in the world to really prove your statement that our redemption had a balanced impact on the world. Alternatively, far too many things have advanced enough for rumors to spread across a whole continent in such a short time in any case.
When did Gandalf even have time to travel to Harad by the way? He was with us when we visited Elrond, which wasn't that long ago.
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ganonso
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Funnily enough you are thinking you are on the backfoot while I'm scratching my head on what I will use to replace the Nazgûl as they risk to come with a severe case of permanent death very soon. (Well not all Nine but you will surely kill the one in Carn Dûm, if there is one in Dol Guldur Galadriel and co will also kill it and there is a sizeable chance Alatar kills the one in Morennor)
Also where the fuck Sauron will find troops when Harad will say to the Free People: "And our Mumakils!" I don't really want to double down on the "dirty orientals worshippers of the darkness".
Also where the fuck Sauron will find troops when Harad will say to the Free People: "And our Mumakils!" I don't really want to double down on the "dirty orientals worshippers of the darkness".
minor thing
ganonso
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So as you are going to dispel the gloom that keeps the Dunedain from rebuilding their kingdom a certain sword will be forged anew but by who.
[] An Elf: Rivendell has some Noldor after all
[] A Dwarf: Hey the blade was forged by a Dwarf after all
[] Saruman: You have an Aulendil after all.
[] Yourself: And why not?
[] An Elf: Rivendell has some Noldor after all
[] A Dwarf: Hey the blade was forged by a Dwarf after all
[] Saruman: You have an Aulendil after all.
[] Yourself: And why not?
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But I thought the Easterlings were well established foes in canon? And Rhun is MASSIVE. A good sandbox for things, no?
And I thought Alatar wasn't in Morenor? I thought he was just south of Harad, rather than all the way across the sea. The Istari were sent to Middle Earth, right? I half-expected any plot thread involving him to possibly wind up with us running into Maglor. He's supposed to be wandering the sea shore in sorrow, right?
And weren't the Dark Lands uninhabited? I thought that only Umaiar were there now, and I believed there was a good chance of Ungoliant being in hiding somewhere in that large landmass too.
As for the newest vote.
- Why not all three of them making it a collaborative project?
- Is there any risk of contamination from the rings?
- Isn't this a decision that should be left for AFTER we're discussed everything we need to discuss at this council? Like, you know, the matter of the rings and the effects they have on anything they touch, which may or may not include Narsil if Thrain or Elrond end up being it?
- Why is it up to us who does it? Shouldn't the Line of Elendil make this decision?
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ganonso
Compulsive Quest Starter
- Location
- PACA France
Yeah that's a change I'm willing to make to canon. Morennor is inhabited by men and by Umaïar who fled there. Alatar went there to help purge them and thus not leaving the inhabitants at the mercy of the Shadow. That may or may be not a falling of his mission as an Istar.
The Nazgul there is going either to coopt a fallen Alatar or to enter in contact with the Boldogs who mostly fled the wars of Beleriand by going full South and not stopping.
So I understand your fear but I give my GM word, they will not bring back Ungoliant or any Shelob-level spawn.
EDIT: The vote is not concerning Morianor the character. It is concerning you the Players. It's mostly a minor Interlude thing
You can totally vote for all three (It will require a Saruman diplomacy roll to manage the Elda and Dwarf working together)
It won't be Elrond or Thrain who does that but a craftsman either Noldo or Dwarf
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- Location
- The World
Meh, Shelob wasn't THAT tough. It's not like Sam had legendary Sting skills or anything. I am relieved to know Ungoliant won't be showing up though.
[] All three.
This is my preliminary option, considering Saruman has a good 36 diplomacy AND The Voice.
Unless we can vote for ALL FOUR (including us)?
...no?
That would be too much cheese, wouldn't it?
And no Maglor either, I'm guessing?
[] All three.
This is my preliminary option, considering Saruman has a good 36 diplomacy AND The Voice.
Unless we can vote for ALL FOUR (including us)?
...no?
That would be too much cheese, wouldn't it?
And no Maglor either, I'm guessing?
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