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Gardener of Human Happiness
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- Behind You
[X] Memory
Our memories of the Shadow will be used to bring others to the Light.
Our memories of the Shadow will be used to bring others to the Light.
A Light from the Shadow (Tolkien CKII)
- Thread starter ganonso
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- Northern Ireland, UK
Article: The first is green and it smells of poppies and lotuses. You know without knowing it brings the gift of forgetfulness. To drink of it would be to allow dark memories to sleep and your being to be soothed. You would regain some of your innate splendor, being washed of your sins by this drink.
The second is red and it smells of the coppery tang of blood and iron yet you feel no evil in it. You know without knowing it brings the gift of memory. To drink of it would be to allow your being to be forged and sharpened. You would remember what you did during your service to the Shadow and yet still serves the Light.
The third is black as a starless night and it smells of things you don't have words to. You know without knowing it brings the gift of wisdom, letting you see many things who were, who are and could be. To drink of it would be to have your eyes opened but you cannot foresee in which ways, it is the water of dreams, of the unknown.
Of which spring do you drink.
[] Forgetfulness
[] Memory
[] Unknown
Oh..... I don't know what to choose. I'm so caught between Memory and Wisdom/Unknown.
Memory because I immediately thought of the quote, "Those who forget the past are forever doomed to repeat it."
Unknown because it "brings the gift of wisdom, letting you see many things who were, who are and could be."
[X] Memory
- Location
- The World
[X] Unknown
I was tempted to go with memory. But then I figured that whatever "unknown" is, it could very well provide the sort of perspective needed to avoid mistaking the music for the discord again (a new note? a new way of listening? like listening to music through air rather than water/blood/lava?).
I was tempted to go with memory. But then I figured that whatever "unknown" is, it could very well provide the sort of perspective needed to avoid mistaking the music for the discord again (a new note? a new way of listening? like listening to music through air rather than water/blood/lava?).
- Location
- Germany
[X] Forgetfulness
Might a well go against the wagon here. I like the idea of becoming a bit more what the Balrogs could have been without Morgoth influence.
Might a well go against the wagon here. I like the idea of becoming a bit more what the Balrogs could have been without Morgoth influence.
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Forgetfulness
Halcyon Days
Velothi
- Location
- US
[X] Memory
MasterDrakus
DEUS SOL
- Location
- Minas Gerais, Brazil
[X] Memory
- Location
- Too Deep in the Midnight Sea
[] Memory
[X] Unknown
I'm very conflicted here, I like the sound of memory just as much as Unknown. I'll likely change my vote later.
[X] Unknown
I'm very conflicted here, I like the sound of memory just as much as Unknown. I'll likely change my vote later.
- Location
- The World
The update clearly says "Unknown" gives the gift of WISDOM not power.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Memory
To understand the dark but serve the light. That's interesting.
To understand the dark but serve the light. That's interesting.
[x] Unknown
- Location
- Northern Ireland, UK
Current tally:
Vote Tally : A Light from the Shadow (Tolkien CKII) | Page 51 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.6
[11] Memory
[7] Unknown
[2] Forgetfulness
Total No. of Voters: 20
##### NetTally 1.7.6
[11] Memory
[2] Forgetfulness
Total No. of Voters: 20
To be fair on Arda the two are interchangeable to an extent.
- Location
- The World
Not to the extent which means wisdom=bad. Knowledge is one thing, wisdom is something else.
JaceAoT
The Architect
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- The Netherlands
Sorry for the confusion.
The way it is written it seems to me that we are regaining some knowledge. In a way I consider that something that was ours already, we lived through our memories, thusly 'earning' them.
We are simply recieving some wisdom. Wisdom we didn't have before, without having the 'Eureka!' moment ourselves. Not really earning anything through hard work here (unless you count impressing the Gods, but I don't).
This is why, in my opinion, the 'Unknown' option fits the hunger for power, whereas the 'Knowledge' option is simply part of our desire to regain all that was lost.
You are more than welcome to disagree, but my opinion in this matter is based on something that I feel is somewhat fundamental.
The way it is written it seems to me that we are regaining some knowledge. In a way I consider that something that was ours already, we lived through our memories, thusly 'earning' them.
We are simply recieving some wisdom. Wisdom we didn't have before, without having the 'Eureka!' moment ourselves. Not really earning anything through hard work here (unless you count impressing the Gods, but I don't).
This is why, in my opinion, the 'Unknown' option fits the hunger for power, whereas the 'Knowledge' option is simply part of our desire to regain all that was lost.
You are more than welcome to disagree, but my opinion in this matter is based on something that I feel is somewhat fundamental.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
[X] Memory
- Location
- The World
By that logic the wisdom passed down from parents or elders or teachers should be rejected as well? Because it's basically the same thing. Here we'd just get it directly mindloaded rather than using the senses as intermediary.
You're also looking at Valar/Maiar as you would a normal, real-world person, which you shouldn't. Especially since all Valar and Maiar effectively got all the knowledge and power and wisdom they have from direct Eru download, as Irmo is offering to emulate here. Additionally, do note that it's not like Irmo or Namo or any of the other Valar worked for the knowledge and domains they have.
Granted, there are accounts about Maiar learning from Valar not their own, but Tolkien (and now the GM in this quest) basically portrays it as precisely this sort of "sharing will and minds" with the Valar, with experience/work being either adjacent or simultaneous.
Not that I'm trying to persuade you to change your vote, I'm just saying that your reasoning doesn't mesh very well here, not in this context.
EDIT
Pretty sure "Unknown" is what Gandalf gets in LOTR TT.
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Et Sic Incipit
- Location
- Planet Earth, North America
[X] Memory