A Hero's Quest: Eye of the Demon Emperor

[Grigori]

Well as I'm sure you can tell from my voting for a plan with the name "more magic" I'm a proponent of a larger focus in magic. I can't see us actually being given a position of authority in the battlefield because no matter how talented we are, we're still a 13 year old child. I think our best bet is to increase our personal combat ability which magic helps with more than strategy.

 

[Metrux]

You do realise that Artoria doesn't need to use magic to fight right? She is far above the average human combatant with her mundane skills and abilities. Furthermore, Artoria's main usage of magic in combat, which is Reinforcement, is already included in the plan. We are already doing practical magics that Artoria will use in combat in our plan.

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And you do realise that not using all we can in a WAR is asking to be killed, right? Besides, the magic theory will be usefull to fight against mages and magic users, while also increasing the effectiveness of both strategy (in these situations) and reinforcement training, because, as stated before by QM, we learn magic better if we know the theory behind.

 

[Oshha]

Well as I'm sure you can tell from my voting for a plan with the name "more magic" I'm a proponent of a larger focus in magic. I can't see us actually being given a position of authority in the battlefield because no matter how talented we are, we're still a 13 year old child. I think our best bet is to increase our personal combat ability which magic helps with more than strategy.

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Why are you ignoring the fact that strategy and tactics is applicable to all fights that Artoria will get into and not just big battles or leading armies?

And you do realise that not using all we can in a WAR is asking to be killed, right? Besides, the magic theory will be usefull to fight against mages and magic users, besides increasing the effectiveness of both strategy (in these situations) and reinforcement training, because, as stated before by QM, we learn magic better if we know the theory behind.

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And magical theory doesn't suit Artoria's strong points as well as strategy and tactics do. If we got the time to do so, we can focus on branching out, but the possibility of going to war means that we need to focus on Artoria's existing strong points.

 

[Grigori]

Why are you ignoring the fact that strategy and tactics is applicable to all fights that Artoria will get into and not just big battles or leading armies?



And magical theory doesn't suit Artoria's strong points as well as strategy and tactics do. If we got the time to do so, we can focus on branching out, but the possibility of going to war means that we need to focus on Artoria's existing strong points.

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Well right now I'm thinking this plan is in preparation for war. I'd like to increase personal power as much as possible in case mum's healthy enough to participate. I'm also hoping that more work into magical theory will pay dividends in studying all other branches of magic.

Honestly though, I think average tactics is good enough to use what we have. I'd rather go about expanding our repertoire

 

[Metrux]

And magical theory doesn't suit Artoria's strong points as well as strategy and tactics do. If we got the time to do so, we can focus on branching out, but the possibility of going to war means that we need to focus on Artoria's existing strong points.

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Did you... Did you just ignore the thing about our strong points being BEING stronger than others, and that we use magic for that? This IS our focus, it is what has let us do all we have done, without reinforcing we wouldn't have fought the dragon, and neither had a chance to fight against those demons. We are a knight because our build is of a knight, but we are a good knight because we have advantages common knights doesn't.

 

[Oshha]

Well right now I'm thinking this plan is in preparation for war. I'd like to increase personal power as much as possible in case mum's healthy enough to participate. I'm also hoping that more work into magical theory will pay dividends in studying all other branches of magic.

Honestly though, I think average tactics is good enough to use what we have. I'd rather go about expanding our repertoire

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I think that increasing strategy and tactics alongside physical training until we hit high end stuff is our best bet. Once we got that foundation strong, we can focus on magic. Don't forget that maximum normal stats we can get is 60 so another year or two and we will be at maximum stats and we can replace physical training with magic training or something else useful.

As we are now, I feel that focusing on existing strong points is our best bet right now and Artoria is easily best at physical melee combat and coming up with plans with magic being a secondary focus outside of Reinforcement (which is used to boost our physical combat ability).

Did you... Did you just ignore the thing about our strong points being BEING stronger than others, and that we use magic for that? This IS our focus, it is what has let us do all we have done, without reinforcing we wouldn't have fought the dragon, and neither had a chance to fight against those demons. We are a knight because our build is of a knight, but we are a good knight because we have advantages common knights doesn't.

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Pay attention to fact that my plan already includes what you are talking about.

-[X] Practical Thaumaturgy.
--[X] Enhancement
---[X] Use it extensively while sparing with the Knights and Tavish
--[X] Ice Magic
---[X] Practice with Tavish and the Knights too

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[Metrux]

I think that increasing strategy and tactics alongside physical training until we hit high end stuff is our best bet. Once we got that foundation strong, we can focus on magic. Don't forget that maximum normal stats we can get is 60 so another year or two and we will be at maximum stats and we can replace physical training with magic training or something else useful.

As we are now, I feel that focusing on existing strong points is our best bet right now and Artoria is easily best at physical melee combat and coming up with plans with magic being a secondary focus outside of Reinforcement (which is used to boost our physical combat ability).


Pay attention to fact that my plan already includes what you are talking about.

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At this point you are just ignoring my points, and repeating the same, so I'm pretty sure you aren't open to being wrong. That being the case, I'll stop the discussion here, there's nothing to win with it. I hope others see my points, since you won't.

 

[Oshha]

At this point you are just ignoring my points, and repeating the same, so I'm pretty sure you aren't open to being wrong. That being the case, I'll stop the discussion here, there's nothing to win with it. I hope others see my points, since you won't.

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And what is your point exactly? You are saying that we need to get stronger by using magic, but ignoring that I have included combat magic in my vote. You are one who is insisting that I am wrong and we need to do something that I am already doing.

 

[Grigori]

And what is your point exactly? You are saying that we need to get stronger by using magic, but ignoring that I have included combat magic in my vote. You are one who is insisting that I am wrong and we need to do something that I am already doing.

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There isn't really any wrong option here, simply differing priorities. I also agree that magical theory should take priority over strategy because while the practical is our main focus we also have a lot of practice in strategic theory but less in magical theory.

For reference, magical theory is basic and strategy is average.

 

[Oshha]

There isn't really any wrong option here, simply differing priorities

I also agree that magical theory should take priority over strategy because while the practical is our main focus we also have a lot of practice in strategic theory but less in magical theory.

For reference, magical theory is basic and strategy is average.

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I know. What annoys me is that Metrux decided to just refuse to continue debating their point and instead make false and unfounded accusations that I wouldn't acknowledge that I was wrong when I have already admitted to being wrong about things in this very thread.

I feel that focusing on what we are already good at is better than trying to get good in something new.

I am aware. Which is why I want to increase the stronger of the two as it is more useful to us and our current build.

 

[Grigori]

I know. What annoys me is that Metrux decided to just refuse to continue debating their point and instead make false and unfounded accusations that I wouldn't acknowledge that I was wrong when I have already admitted to being wrong about things in this very thread.

I feel that focusing on what we are already good at is better than trying to get good in something new.

I am aware. Which is why I want to increase the stronger of the two as it is more useful to us and our current build.

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It's not really something new and I don't imagine we'll have a breakthrough in our strategic ability that'll make much of a difference whereas I see magical theory improving our gains in magic.

 

[Oshha]

It's not really something new and I don't imagine we'll have a breakthrough in our strategic ability that'll make much of a difference whereas I see magical theory improving our gains in magic.

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I see strategy and tactics giving us better defaults options in the votes or defaults options that are more likely to succeed so I feel that getting it high is important. Having it high always prevents Artoria from being tricked or out-thought in a fight.

Magical Theory is useful, but as I said, I want to focus on our already high physical abilities before moving onto magical abilities as that is where our strength lies and I feel we should focus on that.

 

[Metrux]

I know. What annoys me is that Metrux decided to just refuse to continue debating their point and instead make false and unfounded accusations that I wouldn't acknowledge that I was wrong when I have already admitted to being wrong about things in this very thread.

I feel that focusing on what we are already good at is better than trying to get good in something new.

I am aware. Which is why I want to increase the stronger of the two as it is more useful to us and our current build.

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False and unfounded? Let us see: I already put your point of it being stronger to the ground, since, as stated before by my very self, we use magic for being stronger, and studying magic theory increases all our magical aspects, not only in what we already have, but also in our incoming reinforcing training. Do I need to re-post everything I already sayd, or can you already see how you're ignoring my points?

 

[Oshha]

False and unfounded?

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Yes they are. I have admitted to being wrong here only a couple of pages ago.

@Oshha, aren't you training 8 too? Strength, stamina, agility, swords, strategy/tactics, magical theory. enhancement and ice magic.

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Apparently so.

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[Metrux]

Yes they are. I have admitted to being wrong here only a couple of pages ago.

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You just ignored everything else again. Okay, I really won't continue this.

 

[Oshha]

You just ignored everything else again. Okay, I really won't continue this.

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Yes, I ignored everything else because I am challenging you on the false claims you made of me refusing to acknowledge that I am wrong when I have done so in this very thread. If you want to debate properly, you retract your false claims otherwise I am not going to debate with someone who is debating in bad faith.

 

[Grigori]

Yes, I ignored everything else because I am challenging you on the false claims you made of me refusing to acknowledge that I am wrong when I have done so in this very thread. If you want to debate properly, you retract your false claims otherwise I am not going to debate with someone who is debating in bad faith.

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They said "you aren't open to being wrong" in regards to ignoring points and this discussion specifically. Honestly though, I'm not sure anyone's being convinced of anyone's points, we just have different priorities.

 

[Oshha]

They said "you aren't open to being wrong" in regards to ignoring points and this discussion specifically. Honestly though, I'm not sure anyone's being convinced of anyone's points, we just have different priorities.

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And that is a false claim and one which is one because I have shown that I am really to acknowledge that I can be wrong about things. Furthermore, they refuse to acknowledge that they aren't debating in good faith by making that claim and refuse to retract when presented with evidence that it is wrong.

Additionally, Metrux has presented no evidence that I am wrong when making that claim.

 

[Grigori]

And that is a false claim and one which is one because I have shown that I am really to acknowledge that I can be wrong about things. Furthermore, they refuse to acknowledge that they aren't debating in good faith by making that claim and refuse to retract when presented with evidence that it is wrong.

Additionally, Metrux has presented no evidence that I am wrong when making that claim.

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The claim was clearly made in regards to this discussion so no proof to the contrary has been shown. The statement was made with regards to points you failed to acknowledge that they believe showed you were wrong.

 

[Oshha]

The claim was clearly made in regards to this discussion so no proof to the contrary has been shown. The statement was made with regards to points you failed to acknowledge that they believe showed you were wrong.

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Except for the part where I have shown willingness to admit that I am wrong only a couple of pages ago, which was part of this discussion by the way. Furthermore, I didn't failed to acknowledge any of their points.

 

[Metrux]

I didn't failed to acknowledge any of their points.

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Do I need to say anything else? You have been ignoring points since a while now. Please quote my post if you want to say I'm acting in bad faith, because I didn't, YOU ARE, just sliping from one thing to the other, ignoring the words of others. And man, I'm trying to just leave, but you really are insuferable, keeping pushing things on to me, while clearly being ignorant. And before you say this is a false claim as well: search for the word meaning.

 

[Grigori]

Except for the part where I have shown willingness to admit that I am wrong only a couple of pages ago, which was part of this discussion by the way. Furthermore, I didn't failed to acknowledge any of their points.

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The point being that magical theory increases personal strength more than strategy by improving our magical ability and so does a better job of doubling down on Artotia's strengths than strategy does, if I read that right. Her strengths being overwhelming personal might.

Personally I'd call the discussion based on magical theory vs strategy as seperate from the point that there were 8 options in the vote but we really are just going round in circles at this point.

 

[Oshha]

Do I need to say anything else? You have been ignoring points since a while now. Please quote my post if you want to say I'm acting in bad faith, because I didn't, YOU ARE, just sliping from one thing to the other, ignoring the words of others. And man, I'm trying to just leave, but you really are insuferable, keeping pushing things on to me, while clearly being ignorant. And before you say this is a false claim as well: search for the word meaning.

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And what false claim have I made? What points have I ignored apart from after you made false claims or failed to state before claiming that I was ignoring them? How am I changing from one thing to another? I have been consistent on what I am saying. Which words of others have I been ignoring? I am not trying to stop you from leaving nor am I trying to push things on you and I am not being ignorant either. I will not however let you get away with making false claims without being challenged on them. If you don't want to respond, then don't. I however will continue to respond as you double down on things rather than acknowledge what you said wasn't true.

The point being that magical theory increases personal strength more than strategy by improving our magical ability and so does a better job of doubling down on Artotia's strengths than strategy does, if I read that right.

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Which they didn't state until after falsely assuming me of not willing to acknowledge that I am wrong and claiming that I was ignoring their points. They can't claim that I was ignoring their points when they didn't state that point in their post. All they stated was that we used magic to be stronger than we were capable of without making and that we needed to train magic to get stronger and we needed to be stronger in order to be better in battle. I address that point by pointing out that I agreed with them on that point and I was already voting to train our combat magic.

Personally I'd call the discussion based on magical theory vs strategy as seperate from the point that there were 8 options in the vote but we really are just going round in circles at this point.

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I feel this discussion was started when I mentioned that one plan had too many actions after the QM posted a tally as it has been continuous since then. I also agree that we are going around in circles at this point, but I am also not going to let Metrux's false claims go unchallenged.

 

[Metrux]

And what false claim have I made? What points have I ignored apart from after you made false claims or failed to state before claiming that I was ignoring them? How am I changing from one thing to another? I have been consistent on what I am saying. Which words of others have I been ignoring? I am not trying to stop you from leaving nor am I trying to push things on you and I am not being ignorant either. I will not however let you get away with making false claims without being challenged on them. If you don't want to respond, then don't. I however will continue to respond as you double down on things rather than acknowledge what you said wasn't true.



Which they didn't state until after falsely assuming me of not willing to acknowledge that I am wrong and claiming that I was ignoring their points. They can't claim that I was ignoring their points when they didn't state that point in their post. All they stated was that we used magic to be stronger than we were capable of without making and that we needed to train magic to get stronger and we needed to be stronger in order to be better in battle. I address that point by pointing out that I agreed with them on that point and I was already voting to train our combat magic.




I feel this discussion was started when I mentioned that one plan had too many actions after the QM posted a tally as it has been continuous since then. I also agree that we are going around in circles at this point, but I am also not going to let Metrux's false claims go unchallenged.

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And you do realise that not using all we can in a WAR is asking to be killed, right? Besides, the magic theory will be usefull to fight against mages and magic users, while also increasing the effectiveness of both strategy (in these situations) and reinforcement training, because, as stated before by QM, we learn magic better if we know the theory behind.

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Did you... Did you just ignore the thing about our strong points being BEING stronger than others, and that we use magic for that? This IS our focus, it is what has let us do all we have done, without reinforcing we wouldn't have fought the dragon, and neither had a chance to fight against those demons. We are a knight because our build is of a knight, but we are a good knight because we have advantages common knights doesn't.

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So, I haven't sayd this before? I haven't already laid claim to points that you just ignored and kept pushing? And now you keep pushing that you don't ignore, and that I am pushing by ignoring. Honestly, man, how can you even take yourself seriously?

 

[Oshha]

So, I haven't sayd this before? I haven't already laid claim to points that you just ignored and kept pushing? And now you keep pushing that you don't ignore, and that I am pushing by ignoring. Honestly, man, how can you even take yourself seriously?

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The first one I addressed by stating that I disagreed with the idea that strategy and tactics is less useful than magical theory because I feel that we should focus on our main strengths at the moment, which is physical melee combat, and strategy and tactics synergies better with that build.

And magical theory doesn't suit Artoria's strong points as well as strategy and tactics do. If we got the time to do so, we can focus on branching out, but the possibility of going to war means that we need to focus on Artoria's existing strong points.

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The second I addressed by pointing out that I was already including improving our combat magic in the plan I was voting for and I had already taken that point into account and had addressed it because I agreed with it.

Pay attention to fact that my plan already includes what you are talking about.

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As for pushing you, I am not. You are perfectly in your rights to stop responding to my posts like you keep claiming that you will. It is simple. You don't reply to me when I reply to you. You are under no obligation to respond to me and I am not forcing you to reply to me.

Just don't type up a response and/or don't hit the post reply button. You are in no way being forced to reply to me. It is all voluntary just as I am not being forced to post this reply and I am choosing to do so because I want to.