A Golden Island To The West — California ISOT from 2018 to 1850
- Thread starter Instant Sunrise
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- Original 19th Century Supernatural
There is actually a paper on that, with research that spans 1850 to 2013!
Gridded Monthly Arctic Sea Ice Back to 1850
Ice back then extended far, but because it was relatively thin, and melted rapidly between April and September, it offers a chance at crossing the Arctic route under much safer conditions than 2013 ice. As our modern ice tends to not melt, and is build up on during the next year, but doesn't break the 5 meter thickness mark.
Gridded Monthly Arctic Sea Ice Back to 1850
Ice back then extended far, but because it was relatively thin, and melted rapidly between April and September, it offers a chance at crossing the Arctic route under much safer conditions than 2013 ice. As our modern ice tends to not melt, and is build up on during the next year, but doesn't break the 5 meter thickness mark.
That clown just had to bring out Dead or Alive....
Much will depend on how much a CA-protectorate confederation can be established over the plains, but dropping hints about herding/ranching the critters in question is the smarted move (sell the surplus for cash and manufactured goods).
- Location
- Paradise, Hawaii
Perhaps.
I am now curious what areas have what ownership names to them?
Before it was the U.S. with Mexico to the South, Brit/ Canada to the North.
If California does practice some Expansionism in the form of Rails to the East, North & South and some people within the area call for help our wanting Cali 'Governance' as a Territory?
Because I can see some areas going Lawless with a Civil War and a 'PeaceKeeping Action' may be needed, to protect Cali Interests.
I am now curious what areas have what ownership names to them?
Before it was the U.S. with Mexico to the South, Brit/ Canada to the North.
If California does practice some Expansionism in the form of Rails to the East, North & South and some people within the area call for help our wanting Cali 'Governance' as a Territory?
Because I can see some areas going Lawless with a Civil War and a 'PeaceKeeping Action' may be needed, to protect Cali Interests.
ComissarPancakes
Pan-Galactic Motivational Officer
- Location
- The State of Golden Fires
Bit of a moot point at the moment, since Cali is still (technically) part of the Union.
- Location
- California
On the boats, here's something that would be very useful to California:
the Maersk Afloat Forward Staging Base concept Full description in the linked youtube vid.
This has several advantages--1. There are usually at least a few S class ships in port in CA at any given time.
2. it's realtiely inexpensive.
3. It's multi-purpose. Disaster relief, setting up a new port, providing an off-shore base for support? It can do it all.
4. The primary threat to these ships, air power, submarines and long range missles, does not exist in this time periodl thus eliminating the primary obstacle to their being invested.
5. Politically? You can arm it, and it could sink any warship in the world, especially if the flight deck has a cobra or two on it, but California can say, honestly, that it isn't a real warship and its intensions aren't hostile. If you wanted to, you culd even keep most of the crew civilian, with weapons and flight operations handled by the military (which is currently the case for most Navy supply ships).
the Maersk Afloat Forward Staging Base concept Full description in the linked youtube vid.
This has several advantages--1. There are usually at least a few S class ships in port in CA at any given time.
2. it's realtiely inexpensive.
3. It's multi-purpose. Disaster relief, setting up a new port, providing an off-shore base for support? It can do it all.
4. The primary threat to these ships, air power, submarines and long range missles, does not exist in this time periodl thus eliminating the primary obstacle to their being invested.
5. Politically? You can arm it, and it could sink any warship in the world, especially if the flight deck has a cobra or two on it, but California can say, honestly, that it isn't a real warship and its intensions aren't hostile. If you wanted to, you culd even keep most of the crew civilian, with weapons and flight operations handled by the military (which is currently the case for most Navy supply ships).
- Location
- Washington DC
That's what makes it useful. Its essentially a multi purpose vessel that can be easiliy modified to be anything from a cargo ship, to hospital ship, to full aircraft carrier. So if CA is at peace they have a bunch of useful trade and transport ships, and if they are at war it will be a matter of months (rather than years) to convert them into carriers and/or missile cruisers. Not as good as dedicated warships, but a more economical option for the merchant marine and the lower tech and cheaper portion of the Navy. Best part is, they are cargo ship conversions, and CA currently has plenty of newly state owned cargo ships which they can't use as is (no modern ports to ship to) and no better use for them.
Not to mention, this conversion would actually be more useful for trade, as they could use it to support smaller ships that can fit into existing ports, while also hauling massive amounts of cargo. You reach the destination, and the cranes start unloading onto the littler ships, which unload at the harbor. On the way there and back, you could use the larger capacity for fuel storage to refuel the smaller ships while underway.
ComissarPancakes
Pan-Galactic Motivational Officer
- Location
- The State of Golden Fires
I mean, they'll probably be a tad defenseless but that's what escorts are for. Or even a gunship or four. Pretty good for Un-rep of deployed ships as well.
...if it's deployed with a few secondaries for closer in defense, California will have built the aquatic version of a Battlestar...
...if it's deployed with a few secondaries for closer in defense, California will have built the aquatic version of a Battlestar...
Cutting the Apron Strings - November 1st, 1852
- Location
- California
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: University of California debuts down time penicillain production facilities.
At a presentation at UCLA, a combination of medical and engineering professionals demonstrated a prototype penicillin production facility for downtime nations.
"What makes this system important is that we have designed it so that it can be fabricated using downtime resources and technologies. " Dr. Wallis said. "While it is true that we could ship completed units from California, that presents the difficulty of maintaining highly advanced systems, as well as taking up limited manufacturing resources. With the templates nad materials printed out, along with the advisors we will be sending to assist their medical professionals, we believe that in a very short time period, most downtime nations will have access to basic penicillin group drugs, at least in major cities and hospitals."
Similar initiatives have been launched in other fields, including refrigeration technology, sulfa drugs, and prefab kits using LED lights and solar panels to provide 24-hour daylight level lighting to critical facilities.
"Our primary slogan has been: "cutting the apron strings." Dr. Wallis continued. "While it is true that it will be decades before downtime nations can adapt the most modern technology we have to offer, the fact is that by being clever, we can bring the world of 1850 many of the advantages of the 20th Century, while building the foundation for their own technological and industrial expansion.
Teams have already arrived in New York, and negotiations are currently occurring with the British Government via their California consulate, in order to commence similar operations in London.
At a presentation at UCLA, a combination of medical and engineering professionals demonstrated a prototype penicillin production facility for downtime nations.
"What makes this system important is that we have designed it so that it can be fabricated using downtime resources and technologies. " Dr. Wallis said. "While it is true that we could ship completed units from California, that presents the difficulty of maintaining highly advanced systems, as well as taking up limited manufacturing resources. With the templates nad materials printed out, along with the advisors we will be sending to assist their medical professionals, we believe that in a very short time period, most downtime nations will have access to basic penicillin group drugs, at least in major cities and hospitals."
Similar initiatives have been launched in other fields, including refrigeration technology, sulfa drugs, and prefab kits using LED lights and solar panels to provide 24-hour daylight level lighting to critical facilities.
"Our primary slogan has been: "cutting the apron strings." Dr. Wallis continued. "While it is true that it will be decades before downtime nations can adapt the most modern technology we have to offer, the fact is that by being clever, we can bring the world of 1850 many of the advantages of the 20th Century, while building the foundation for their own technological and industrial expansion.
Teams have already arrived in New York, and negotiations are currently occurring with the British Government via their California consulate, in order to commence similar operations in London.
- Location
- Canada
Less euphemistically, the California team is frantically waving their arms and blushing bright red at the offers of daughters or granddaughters. The amount of offers the British are throwing at them has been the main barrier and delay to negotiations so far since it's been hard to get a word in sideways.
ComissarPancakes
Pan-Galactic Motivational Officer
- Location
- The State of Golden Fires
The docs being given antibiotics had better been trained in a CA med school, 'cause bad things can happen if they're not used right.
- Location
- Singapore
How long did it take for resistance to appear?
- Location
- California
not that long, but note that was in teh context of near universal use. In this setting, these systems are going to hospitals, with people to help train the doctors--the kind of antibiotics you can get out of a set up buildable with 1850 materials isn't likely to be the kind of simple stuff you hand someone for a cold. Also, there's a lot of time to tell them about the dangers.
Note, this'd just be one one example of tech--blood typing and refigeration, while harder and taking more training (and more dangerous if not done right) is also something you could probably establish at major hospitals.
there's also a hearts and minds aspect to it--The mortality rates of major cities in the 19th century were horrifying. Stuff like this, in a very few years, could have a substantial minority or even majority of citizens of those cities, of all social levels, given the OTL level of medical care, thanking California tech for their, or their loved ones, life and health. While it doesn't mean that CA will become the ruler of the world, it's likely to see many people... favorably disposed to the new land.
Yup. The only possible drawback here is some (likely late-stage syphilitic) potentate getting the idea of annexing part or all of CA to get these brains or resources for themselves (like the mess in the second Islander book, only with far worse chances of success).
Of course metaphorical headhunting has been going on since word of arrival was internalized, the hard part being how to sweeten the pot enough for more than a temporary stay.
Most of those were caused by overworking, accidents during work, and poor hygiene.
The fact that people would willingly gather every morning under a factory's gate, for a chance at a job ,just promoted poor behavior from owners.
Up till 1980 a lot of factories in communist owned Europe had to provide a bar of soap and pack of toilet paper for its workers each month (regardless of its poor quality).
Mizu
Software Developer
- Location
- Victoria, Australia
Agriculture use? Of antibacterial drugs, or farming? As I'm not seeing how the second being done en-mass would ruin a country...
Instant Sunrise
Queen Shit of Liesville
- Location
- Los Angeles
- Pronouns
- her/she
The practice of using antibiotics on livestock.
ComissarPancakes
Pan-Galactic Motivational Officer
- Location
- The State of Golden Fires
We give antibiotics to factory-farm cows and chickens to help them grow. It's had a drastic effect on the rate of resistant microorganisms.
As an asside, if CA were to do this, they would need to emphasize the expiration dates being a matter of life and death. Unlike other drugs, antibiotics chemically change into something else that can be potentially lethal by that point.
- Location
- Charlotte
Random Idea: we can use excerpts from the discord RP chat in a story.
- Location
- United States of America
Don't forget that they need to drive it home that you need to take the prescribed amount over the prescribed time to make sure you clear up the infection otherwise you've got some new drug resistant bacteria and oopsie daisy you just killed 60% of the world with a sneeze.
- Location
- Charlotte
Yep. Plus, you'd have to make sure that the doctors will abide by helping educate everyone else on medicines and which kind is suitable for which thing, like antibiotics for bacteria and vaccinations to prevent viruses.